From: Mark Probert on
Vernon wrote:
> "Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
> news:9HmQg.3239$Se.1941(a)trndny03...
>> David Wright wrote:
>>> In article <45117712$0$23843$882e0bbb(a)news.ThunderNews.com>,
>>> Vernon <athere(a)athere> wrote:
>>>> "Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:wPdQg.3212$Se.671(a)trndny03...
>>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/
>>>> The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I have ever
>>>> seen.
>>>>
>>>> As someone who has actually had some training in psychology or
>>>> behavioral science,
>>> You're not sure which?
>> He skipped that class.
>
> Behavioral science IS psychology and V.V.
> Take some drugs or have a drink or a dozen.

Your logic escaped you.

> I used both terms because there are some here who open their mouth with no
> education and I just identified two of them.

OK, so you identified yourself...


From: Mark Probert on
Janna Hoskin wrote:
> Rich wrote:
>> "Rich" <joshew(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:JgpQg.10664$rE5.4610(a)tornado.socal.rr.com...
>>> "Vernon" <athere(a)athere> wrote in message
>>> news:45121ea6$0$23870$882e0bbb(a)news.ThunderNews.com...
>>>> "Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:9HmQg.3239$Se.1941(a)trndny03...
>>>>> David Wright wrote:
>>>>>> In article <45117712$0$23843$882e0bbb(a)news.ThunderNews.com>,
>>>>>> Vernon <athere(a)athere> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:wPdQg.3212$Se.671(a)trndny03...
>>>>>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/
>>>>>>> The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I
>>>>>>> have ever seen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As someone who has actually had some training in psychology or
>>>>>>> behavioral science,
>>>>>> You're not sure which?
>>>>> He skipped that class.
>>>> Behavioral science IS psychology and V.V.
>>>> Take some drugs or have a drink or a dozen.
>>>>
>>>> I used both terms because there are some here who open their mouth
>>>> with no education and I just identified two of them.
>>> Okay, wise one. Tell us the difference between "punishment" and
>>> "negative reinforcement" as defined by Dr. Skinner. Quickly now; you
>>> lose points if you take time to look it up on the internet. If you
>>> indeed studied the subject, the answer should be already in mind.
>>
>> Too late, Vern. Either you didn't know, or you weren't paying
>> attention. I really don't believe you have any education in behavioral
>> science OR psychology. You're just blowing smoke, as usual.
>
> Oh, hey, if Vern never gets back to you on that question, can I answer?
> I know it!
>
> (And I have a psych degree and have worked as a behavioural therapist
> with autistic children, and I take medication for my ADHD.)
>
> -Janna

Janna...you sig line, which did not copy, mentions that you are a
Respite Worker.

I'll nominate anyone who does respite for sainthood. It is the one
single most important aspect of support for families with special
children-and the one single most underfunded, underavailable support
service for families with special children.

From: David Wright on
In article <45121ea6$0$23870$882e0bbb(a)news.ThunderNews.com>,
Vernon <athere(a)athere> wrote:
>
>"Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
>news:9HmQg.3239$Se.1941(a)trndny03...
>> David Wright wrote:
>>> In article <45117712$0$23843$882e0bbb(a)news.ThunderNews.com>,
>>> Vernon <athere(a)athere> wrote:
>>>> "Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:wPdQg.3212$Se.671(a)trndny03...
>>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/
>>>>
>>>> The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I have ever
>>>> seen.
>>>>
>>>> As someone who has actually had some training in psychology or
>>>> behavioral science,
>>>
>>> You're not sure which?
>>
>> He skipped that class.
>
>Behavioral science IS psychology and V.V.
>Take some drugs or have a drink or a dozen.
>
>I used both terms because there are some here who open their mouth with no
>education and I just identified two of them.

The rest of the readers here had identified one of them long ago. If
you know what I mean, and I think you don't.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
I used to think that spammers should be hanged, but I've
changed my mind. They should be tortured first.



From: PeterB on

MothWrangler wrote:
> PeterB wrote:
>
> > Mark Probert wrote:
> >
> >>http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/
> >
> >
> > Promoting drugs again, Markey? The promo doesn't even mention the fact
> > that Canada has pulled Adderall due to instances of sudden death.
> > http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ahc-asc/media/nr-cp/2005/2005_92_e.html
>
> AFAIK, Canada reversed it's 02/05 ban of Adderall XR in 8/05.

I don't suppose the reversal brought those dead kids back to life?
Canada has a history of pandering to pharmaceutical interests; a
temporary ban on dangerous drugs is just PR to quiet down public
outcry. Think Vioxx.

> http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ahc-asc/media/nr-cp/2005/2005_92_e.html
>
>
> Nancy
> Unique, like everyone else

From: Vernon on

"Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:tAwQg.4100$ht6.1530(a)trndny06...
> Vernon wrote:
>> "Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
>> news:SXjQg.1802$F46.621(a)trndny09...
>>> Vernon wrote:
>>>> "Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:wPdQg.3212$Se.671(a)trndny03...
>>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/
>>>>
>>>> The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I have
>>>> ever seen.
>>> From you, Vernon, that means that it has something valid to say.
>>
>> No, it means I have seen a lot of trash and a lot of cons. I recognize
>> them right away.
>>
>>>
>>>> As someone who has actually had some training in psychology or
>>>> behavioral science,
>>> Was that before or after youbecame a rocket scientist/high ranking
>>> government official, bgtween your eighth and ninth careers?
>>
>> Before AND during.
>>
>>
>>> I can say that it is an excellent illustration of sick science and
>>>> a money making scam.
>>> Sure it is...
>>>
>>>> UNBELIEVABLE that people get sucked into that trash.
>>> Imagine that a person is sucked in because they want to adequately
>>> function in society.
>>
>> Oh, boy.
>>
>> Drugs are the answer to everything.
>
> Where did I say that? There is no question that proper medication can
> help.

Some Meds CHANGE behavior. Those meds are classed as drugs. Alcohol is in
the same class.

>
>>>> It makes as much sense as a parent joining a certain Islam sect and
>>>> strapping dynamite to their kids and telling them they are expected to
>>>> take some dogs with them. THEY absolutely believe the nonsense. There
>>>> is no logic to change their mind.
>>> That is an absurd analogy.
>>
>> See above answer.
>>
>> When in doubt use drugs or alcohol. You will have a lot of believers and
>> get a lot of sympathy.
>
> Where did I say anything about alcohol? Medications are to be used when
> appropriate.

To the people who decide they can't cope or are TAUGHT that they can't cope,
alcohol is one of the answers. Alcohol dependancy IS drug dependancy and
V.V.

>
>> The analagy is precisely right on.
>> There is no logic to change their mind.
>
> Nope. The analogy sucks.

Like I said; There is no logic to change their mind.


>
>>>> Absolutely pitiful.
>>>>
>>>> How can ANY intelligent person, even without training fall for that,
>>>> except to use as a failure excuse.
>>>> Of course it is / was on T.V. and there is little or no intellect
>>>> there.
>>

I didn't mention the completely misleading and thus nefarious presentation
in their little "test".
The two giveaway traits in the "test" were:
1. The completely ambiguous choices, never or seldom, sometimes, often, very
often. The same activity to different people would result in totally
different answers. Once a year to some would be never and others often.

2. Take this to your Doctor. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
I showed the test to four different doctors in four different fields and
they couldn't believe the stupidity of the test and especially couldn't
believe that any respectable doctor would even bother to take it seriously.

ADHD: Poor little me, I can't cope.
I'm fed up with my kid and I'm going to drug it. Alcohol is frowned upon,
so I'll find a sympathetic (nefarious) Doctor and get a drug.