From: Peter Bowditch on
"Vernon" <athere(a)athere> wrote:

>
>"Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
>news:9HmQg.3239$Se.1941(a)trndny03...
>> David Wright wrote:
>>> In article <45117712$0$23843$882e0bbb(a)news.ThunderNews.com>,
>>> Vernon <athere(a)athere> wrote:
>>>> "Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:wPdQg.3212$Se.671(a)trndny03...
>>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/
>>>>
>>>> The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I have ever
>>>> seen.
>>>>
>>>> As someone who has actually had some training in psychology or
>>>> behavioral science,
>>>
>>> You're not sure which?
>>
>> He skipped that class.
>
>Behavioral science IS psychology and V.V.

The real school of behavioural sciences in the university I attended
included a couple of other disciplines as well as psychology. I had to
study at least three of them before being allowed to start the first
real psychology course. The prerequisite course for all disciplines
was called BHS103 Introduction to Behavioural Sciences. The main
assignment work I did in that course was nothing to do with psychology
(unless you count the pathological psychology of man-hating
feminists).

>Take some drugs or have a drink or a dozen.
>
>I used both terms because there are some here who open their mouth with no
>education and I just identified two of them.
>
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From: Rich on

"Rich" <joshew(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Vernon" <athere(a)athere> wrote in message
> news:45121ea6$0$23870$882e0bbb(a)news.ThunderNews.com...
>>
>> "Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
>> news:9HmQg.3239$Se.1941(a)trndny03...
>>> David Wright wrote:
>>>> In article <45117712$0$23843$882e0bbb(a)news.ThunderNews.com>,
>>>> Vernon <athere(a)athere> wrote:
>>>>> "Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:wPdQg.3212$Se.671(a)trndny03...
>>>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/
>>>>>
>>>>> The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I have
>>>>> ever seen.
>>>>>
>>>>> As someone who has actually had some training in psychology or
>>>>> behavioral science,
>>>>
>>>> You're not sure which?
>>>
>>> He skipped that class.
>>
>> Behavioral science IS psychology and V.V.
>> Take some drugs or have a drink or a dozen.
>>
>> I used both terms because there are some here who open their mouth with
>> no education and I just identified two of them.
>
> Okay, wise one. Tell us the difference between "punishment" and "negative
> reinforcement" as defined by Dr. Skinner. Quickly now; you lose points if
> you take time to look it up on the internet. If you indeed studied the
> subject, the answer should be already in mind.

Too late, Vern. Either you didn't know, or you weren't paying attention. I
really don't believe you have any education in behavioral science OR
psychology. You're just blowing smoke, as usual.
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--Rich

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From: Rich on

"Janna Hoskin" <janna_louise(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Rich wrote:
>> "Rich" <joshew(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:JgpQg.10664$rE5.4610(a)tornado.socal.rr.com...
>>> "Vernon" <athere(a)athere> wrote in message
>>> news:45121ea6$0$23870$882e0bbb(a)news.ThunderNews.com...
>>>> "Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:9HmQg.3239$Se.1941(a)trndny03...
>>>>> David Wright wrote:
>>>>>> In article <45117712$0$23843$882e0bbb(a)news.ThunderNews.com>,
>>>>>> Vernon <athere(a)athere> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:wPdQg.3212$Se.671(a)trndny03...
>>>>>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/
>>>>>>> The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I have
>>>>>>> ever seen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As someone who has actually had some training in psychology or
>>>>>>> behavioral science,
>>>>>> You're not sure which?
>>>>> He skipped that class.
>>>> Behavioral science IS psychology and V.V.
>>>> Take some drugs or have a drink or a dozen.
>>>>
>>>> I used both terms because there are some here who open their mouth with
>>>> no education and I just identified two of them.
>>> Okay, wise one. Tell us the difference between "punishment" and
>>> "negative reinforcement" as defined by Dr. Skinner. Quickly now; you
>>> lose points if you take time to look it up on the internet. If you
>>> indeed studied the subject, the answer should be already in mind.
>>
>> Too late, Vern. Either you didn't know, or you weren't paying attention.
>> I really don't believe you have any education in behavioral science OR
>> psychology. You're just blowing smoke, as usual.
>
> Oh, hey, if Vern never gets back to you on that question, can I answer? I
> know it!
>
> (And I have a psych degree and have worked as a behavioural therapist with
> autistic children, and I take medication for my ADHD.)
>
> -Janna
> --
> Respite Worker, Calgary, Alberta
>
> Officially diagnosed ADHD February 11, 2005
>

Then I'm sure you know the answer without looking it up. It's a fundamental
concept of Skinner's, and is taught in psycology 101, but people who have
not studied psychology, and a few who have, do not understand the
difference. They also often do not understand that Fred was not
fundamentally opposed to the use of punishment. He just understood that to
be effective, punishment must be consistent and IMMEDIATE.
--


--Rich

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http://www.skeptic.com/
http://www.csicop.org/


From: Jan Drew on

"Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
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> MothWrangler wrote:
>> PeterB wrote:
>>
>>> Mark Probert wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/
>>>
>>>
>>> Promoting drugs again, Markey? The promo doesn't even mention the fact
>>> that Canada has pulled Adderall due to instances of sudden death.
>>> http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ahc-asc/media/nr-cp/2005/2005_92_e.html
>>
>> AFAIK, Canada reversed it's 02/05 ban of Adderall XR in 8/05.
>>
>> http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ahc-asc/media/nr-cp/2005/2005_92_e.html
>
> Thanks, Nancy...I was thinking that it had been reversed, but I couldn't
> find a link.
>
> I guess Petey will will have to come up with some more bullshit.

You clearly were promoting drugs. A G A I N!

> Mark Probert wrote:
>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/

?2006 Shire US Inc., Wayne, Pennsylvania


From: Mark Probert on
Vernon wrote:
> "Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
> news:SXjQg.1802$F46.621(a)trndny09...
>> Vernon wrote:
>>> "Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
>>> news:wPdQg.3212$Se.671(a)trndny03...
>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/
>>>
>>> The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I have ever
>>> seen.
>> From you, Vernon, that means that it has something valid to say.
>
> No, it means I have seen a lot of trash and a lot of cons. I recognize them
> right away.
>
>>
>>> As someone who has actually had some training in psychology or behavioral
>>> science,
>> Was that before or after youbecame a rocket scientist/high ranking
>> government official, bgtween your eighth and ninth careers?
>
> Before AND during.
>
>
>> I can say that it is an excellent illustration of sick science and
>>> a money making scam.
>> Sure it is...
>>
>>> UNBELIEVABLE that people get sucked into that trash.
>> Imagine that a person is sucked in because they want to adequately
>> function in society.
>
> Oh, boy.
>
> Drugs are the answer to everything.

Where did I say that? There is no question that proper medication can help.

>>> It makes as much sense as a parent joining a certain Islam sect and
>>> strapping dynamite to their kids and telling them they are expected to
>>> take some dogs with them. THEY absolutely believe the nonsense. There
>>> is no logic to change their mind.
>> That is an absurd analogy.
>
> See above answer.
>
> When in doubt use drugs or alcohol. You will have a lot of believers and
> get a lot of sympathy.

Where did I say anything about alcohol? Medications are to be used when
appropriate.

> The analagy is precisely right on.
> There is no logic to change their mind.

Nope. The analogy sucks.

>>> Absolutely pitiful.
>>>
>>> How can ANY intelligent person, even without training fall for that,
>>> except to use as a failure excuse.
>>> Of course it is / was on T.V. and there is little or no intellect there.
>
>