From: Mark Probert on
ace_berzerker wrote:
> Sumbuny wrote:
>> "Vernon" <athere(a)athere> wrote in message
>> news:451850d7$0$23824$882e0bbb(a)news.ThunderNews.com...
>>> Pragmatic and consistant behavior based on a beleif system is a religion
>>> Jogging EVERY day is a religion.
>>> TaiChi IS a religion
>>> Yoga is a religion.
>>
>> *IF* it becomes all-comsuming, anything can be a religion...for some,
>> their computer is their god--is that so for you?
>> Is "anti-medication" *your* religion??? It would seem so to many here...
>
> GOOD ONE!

If you examine the writings of the anti-medication morons, you would
find that they are, for the most part, similar to religious
fundamentalists.
From: Vernon on

"Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
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> Vernon wrote:
>> "Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
>> news:6LgSg.1405$0Y2.255(a)trndny09...
>>> Sumbuny wrote:
>>>> "Vernon" <athere(a)athere> wrote in message
>>>> news:4518526a$0$23950$882e0bbb(a)news.ThunderNews.com...
>>>>> "Sumbuny" <Sumbuny(a)THISSHOULDBEGONEcox.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:xbYRg.1379$Rp3.848(a)dukeread12...
>>>>>> Teachers have to be very concerned about ADHD...their jobs may depend
>>>>>> on how informed they are about it, if they have students that have
>>>>>> it....
>>>>> They have students they don't like. Children are not automons that
>>>>> need "fixing".
>>>> Please state where I have ever claimed that they where....
>>>>
>>>> What I have implied is that teachers will always have some students
>>>> that need certain accommodations...and federal law *requires* that
>>>> these accommodations be met...
>>>>
>>>>>> Besides have it myself, and having children with it, I am a dual
>>>>>> major (special ed, and elementary ed)...I know at least a little
>>>>>> about this...
>>>>> You are obsessed with yoursel and have passed it on to your children.
>>>> There you go...assUming again...
>>>>
>>>> I was diagnosed with ADHD about 10 years after my children were...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> AD/HD doesn't exist except on paper.
>>>> Nest thing you will be insisting is that my son's co-morbid autism does
>>>> not exist either (as well as his co-existing determination of being
>>>> academically gifted)...
>>>>
>>>> I suppose that both of these are "just on paper" as well?
>>>>
>>>> Tell us...where did you get your degree in neurology? or psychiatry?
>>>> psychology?
>>> Cracker Jack University.
>>>
>>
>> O.K. so you are jealous. Sorry.
>
> Nope.

Then quit acting like it.
Some people actually do have an education and experience in several
sciences.
I'm sorry to butt in on conversations between those who don't and get
themselves off into never never land.
You are trained in Law. Even though it is far from an exact philosophy, if
someone were to start a nonsense sequence concerning Law, in a Law news
group (I don't know if there is such a thing), you would be remiss to remain
quiet.


From: Mark Probert on
Vernon wrote:
> "Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
> news:rWuSg.9871$8j4.6305(a)trndny05...
>> Vernon wrote:
>>> "Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
>>> news:6LgSg.1405$0Y2.255(a)trndny09...
>>>> Sumbuny wrote:
>>>>> "Vernon" <athere(a)athere> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4518526a$0$23950$882e0bbb(a)news.ThunderNews.com...
>>>>>> "Sumbuny" <Sumbuny(a)THISSHOULDBEGONEcox.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:xbYRg.1379$Rp3.848(a)dukeread12...
>>>>>>> Teachers have to be very concerned about ADHD...their jobs may depend
>>>>>>> on how informed they are about it, if they have students that have
>>>>>>> it....
>>>>>> They have students they don't like. Children are not automons that
>>>>>> need "fixing".
>>>>> Please state where I have ever claimed that they where....
>>>>>
>>>>> What I have implied is that teachers will always have some students
>>>>> that need certain accommodations...and federal law *requires* that
>>>>> these accommodations be met...
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Besides have it myself, and having children with it, I am a dual
>>>>>>> major (special ed, and elementary ed)...I know at least a little
>>>>>>> about this...
>>>>>> You are obsessed with yoursel and have passed it on to your children.
>>>>> There you go...assUming again...
>>>>>
>>>>> I was diagnosed with ADHD about 10 years after my children were...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> AD/HD doesn't exist except on paper.
>>>>> Nest thing you will be insisting is that my son's co-morbid autism does
>>>>> not exist either (as well as his co-existing determination of being
>>>>> academically gifted)...
>>>>>
>>>>> I suppose that both of these are "just on paper" as well?
>>>>>
>>>>> Tell us...where did you get your degree in neurology? or psychiatry?
>>>>> psychology?
>>>> Cracker Jack University.
>>>>
>>> O.K. so you are jealous. Sorry.
>> Nope.
>
> Then quit acting like it.

I was not acting like "it". You read too much into my words.

> Some people actually do have an education and experience in several
> sciences.

I know. However, some play at it.

> I'm sorry to butt in on conversations between those who don't and get
> themselves off into never never land.
> You are trained in Law.

Since my UDP on 7/3/06, effective at 12:01 am on 7/4/06, I cannot
respond to that.

Even though it is far from an exact philosophy, if
> someone were to start a nonsense sequence concerning Law, in a Law news
> group (I don't know if there is such a thing), you would be remiss to remain
> quiet.


From: Sumbuny on

"Vernon" <athere(a)athere> wrote in message
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>
> "Sumbuny" <Sumbuny(a)THISSHOULDBEGONEcox.net> wrote in message
> news:p6gSg.1405$Rp3.472(a)dukeread12...
>>
>>
>>
>> "Vernon" <athere(a)athere> wrote in message
>> news:451850d7$0$23824$882e0bbb(a)news.ThunderNews.com...
>>>
>>> "Sumbuny" <Sumbuny(a)THISSHOULDBEGONEcox.net> wrote in message
>>> news:t6YRg.1378$Rp3.42(a)dukeread12...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Vernon" <athere(a)athere> wrote in message
>>>> news:4517ebe1$0$23908$882e0bbb(a)news.ThunderNews.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Sumbuny" <Sumbuny(a)THISSHOULDBEGONEcox.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:GwGRg.1348$Rp3.943(a)dukeread12...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> O.K., you have some mental problems and have found a new religion.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is interfering with your ability to see when someone is in general
>>>>> agreement.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you think your religion needs defending, re-think your decisions.
>>>>
>>>> What are you "generally agreeing" with...exactly? Oh, and FWIW, my
>>>> religious beliefs have nothing to do with my medical and educational
>>>> therapies....
>>>
>>> "religious" is NOT limited to deistic.
>>>
>>> Pragmatic and consistant behavior based on a beleif system is a religion
>>> Jogging EVERY day is a religion.
>>> TaiChi IS a religion
>>> Yoga is a religion.
>>> To some their doctor is their God.
>>>
>>> YOU brought up the mind control exersize. (religion)
>>
>> *IF* it becomes all-comsuming, anything can be a religion...for some,
>> their computer is their god--is that so for you?
>>
>> <considering direction of posts from Vernon>
>>
>> Is "anti-medication" *your* religion??? It would seem so to many here...
>>
>
> Since I work with many M.Ds and help in their research, hardly.
> It's just that when I tell the truth about much of the medical profession
> and even suggest that there are solutions that do not require medication,
> the super religios become catatonic. Catatonic is an extrapolation of the
> imaginary illness called ADHD.
> """""""""""""
> "Is "anti-medication" *your* religion??? It would seem so to many
> here..."
> """"""""""""""""

Interesting...yet when I discussed that I had ADHD, and brought up a link
about classroom modification for those with ADHD, your first comments were
about "drugging" and faulty diagnoses, and religion..sounded rather Marxist,
actually <g>

I, on the other hand, see a diagnosis as simply a tool designed to point
someone in the correct direction for the right tools...i.e., If you need to
dig something, you need to a shovel, not a broom--but first you need to
determine you need to determine (diagnose) that you need to dig, not
sweep...


>
> Only to the generally uneducated and Pharm employees or Doctors trying to
> defend their near malpractice.
> My stance is that presciption meds are almost required for direct action
> against a disease / malady. THEN there is the preventative and full
> recovery aspect. There are very few prescription meds for that.
>
> There really are alternatives to patented medications.
> Your term "anti medication" is an illustration of ignorance. There are
> thousands of non prescription medications that are very effective.
> Many exercise programs are effective.
> Many placebo (mind control) programs also exist (Tai Chi, Yoga,
> concentration) None have proven to be more effective than the simple
> slow breathing exercises. When someone learns how to do it (no far East
> mysticism religions) they can lower their heart rate AND B.P. an amazing
> percentage.


> Of course you have NEVER heard of the white coat syndrome or have no idea
> what it specifically is.

There you go...assUming again...

Of Course I HAVE...it is what explains why my blood pressure is usually a
few points higher when my doctor takes the readings than when my friend (who
happens to be an LPN) takes them in a more friend, calmer
environemtn..."white coat hypertension" has actually been studied and
proven...

Some of us actually *do* know a thing or two about that which we discuss...

I don't suppose you know what the DSM IV is?

> With breathing exercises one can actually raise their ejection factor.

I am familar with what t'ai chi breathing can do...have practiced it for
several years...does improve asthma as well....I am surprised that your
medical degree did not assUme that about me as well, since you have been so
preumptuous so far...


>
> Of course another non-prescription answer to what is called ADHD is a
> parent, a real parent, not some twit who thinks they should be a child's
> freind. Being a child's freind is simply lowering one's self to the
> intellect / mentality of the child. THIS IS AN INVARIABLE.



....and we all know that children need no friends....being marked as
different ensures that they have more than enough of them...

But I am not attempting to be my sons' friends...I am being their
*advocate*...trying looking up that word in the dictionary...



--
Buny

" Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be
normal."
~ Albert Camus


From: Sumbuny on



"Vernon" <athere(a)athere> wrote in message
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>
> "Sumbuny" <Sumbuny(a)THISSHOULDBEGONEcox.net> wrote in message
> news:TdgSg.1408$Rp3.582(a)dukeread12...
>>
>>
>> "Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname(a)ratbags.com> wrote in message
>> news:o6sgh2tlcftd0idvr45kqc8h8cir9ikf2d(a)4ax.com...
>>> ace_berzerker <ace_berzerker(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Vernon wrote:
>>>>> The only thing I thought was that girls are easy and the prettier,
>>>>> the easier. By easy, I DON'T mean sexually, just easy to make a
>>>>> follower or partner. A LOT of it was not my charm (I didn't think I
>>>>> had any), but having answers in group studies and in lab work.
>>>>
>>>>not part of my experience.
>>>>
>>>>i went to a college prep for boys, run by the jesuits.
>>>>
>>>>if we got out of line, there was 60 lines of shakespeare waiting to be
>>>>memorized on saturday morning.
>>>
>>> No problem for Vern. About the only thing he hasn't claimed is that he
>>> wrote Shakespeare, but he has probably appeared in all the plays.
>>> Probably taught Olivier and Brannagh how to act as well.
>>
>> ROTFLMHO!!!! I have to remember this one!
>>
> Actually it is nearly impossible for me to memorize (rote memorize).

Rather common problem for those who are dealing with undiagnosed and
untreated ADHD....many have different learning styles that are not properly
addressed by their teachers, and therefore were never accommodated, and were
failed--rote learning is one of them...

However, when taught in other ways that address the differences in the way
that the brain works different, it can be amazing what can be accomplish!

Oh, I forgot--you do not ascribe to this concept....

How do you explain your inability to learn by rote?

--
Buny

" Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be
normal."
~ Albert Camus