From: Vernon on

"Sumbuny" <Sumbuny(a)THISSHOULDBEGONEcox.net> wrote in message
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> "Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname(a)ratbags.com> wrote in message
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>> ace_berzerker <ace_berzerker(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Vernon wrote:
>>>> The only thing I thought was that girls are easy and the prettier,
>>>> the easier. By easy, I DON'T mean sexually, just easy to make a
>>>> follower or partner. A LOT of it was not my charm (I didn't think I
>>>> had any), but having answers in group studies and in lab work.
>>>
>>>not part of my experience.
>>>
>>>i went to a college prep for boys, run by the jesuits.
>>>
>>>if we got out of line, there was 60 lines of shakespeare waiting to be
>>>memorized on saturday morning.
>>
>> No problem for Vern. About the only thing he hasn't claimed is that he
>> wrote Shakespeare, but he has probably appeared in all the plays.
>> Probably taught Olivier and Brannagh how to act as well.
>
> ROTFLMHO!!!! I have to remember this one!
>
Actually it is nearly impossible for me to memorize (rote memorize).
Now all the uneducated amateurs can find out what that infers. (Sorry for
the redundancy "uneducated amateurs", but many here wouldn't know that)
Sorry about the uneducated who are just here for flame and troll. I
actually have a life and have made money based on knowledge.

>
> --
> Buny
>
> " Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be
> normal."
> ~ Albert Camus
>
>


From: Jan Drew on

"Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
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> Vernon wrote:
>> "Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
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>>> Vernon wrote:
>>>> "Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:EJURg.1331$0Y2.806(a)trndny09...
>>>>> PeterB wrote:
>>>>>> Rich wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Sumbuny" <Sumbuny(a)THISSHOULDBEGONEcox.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:spERg.1341$Rp3.1000(a)dukeread12...
>>>>>>>>> "Vernon" <athere(a)athere> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:4515cb06$0$23828$882e0bbb(a)news.ThunderNews.com...
>>>>>>>>>> "Sumbuny" <Sumbuny(a)THISSHOULDBEGONEcox.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:NcjRg.1294$Rp3.781(a)dukeread12...
>>>>>>>>>>> "Vernon" <athere(a)athere> wrote in message
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>>>>>>>>>>>> "Sumbuny" <Sumbuny(a)THISSHOULDBEGONEcox.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:KMEQg.71$Rp3.63(a)dukeread12...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:wPdQg.3212$Se.671(a)trndny03...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No surprise there...I suspected he was ADHD since he was on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trading
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spaces"...the fact that he "came out" about it was brave,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> since so
>>>>>>>>>>>>> many who have it do not want other to know about it, fearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will harm their careers...a shame, really.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Buny
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> " Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy
>>>>>>>>>>>>> merely to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be normal."
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~ Albert Camus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Most who have the imaginary "it" don't know they have "it" and
>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>> get on with their lives knowing that no two people are alike
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> REFUSE to take drugs to become an automon or programmed
>>>>>>>>>>>> personality
>>>>>>>>>>>> that fits some imaginary standard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, there are people who ACTUALLY like who they are. Then
>>>>>>>>>>>> there are
>>>>>>>>>>>> the druggies and alcoholics.
>>>>>>>>>>> Perfect example...if I said I had ADHD, would you say the same
>>>>>>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>>>>>> about me as well?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Buny
>>>>>>>>>> If you said it, you would be wrong, absolutely convinced and
>>>>>>>>>> possibly
>>>>>>>>>> under some treatment, but wrong.
>>>>>>>>> ...and if I told you that my treatment involved such non-medicinal
>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>> as seen here? http://www.ldonline.org/article/8797?theme=print
>>>>>>>> Teachers have NO business to instruct children about ADHD.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What an incredibly stupid comment! First of all, the article is
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> instructing children who HAVE ADHD, not instructing children ABOUT
>>>>>>> ADHD.
>>>>>>> (More evidence of your poor reading comprehension skills.) Second,
>>>>>>> teachers
>>>>>>> are very much in the business of instructing children about anything
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> everything, and certainly ADHD is a subject that children should
>>>>>>> know more
>>>>>>> about, since they are interacting daily with ADHD fellow students.
>>>>>>> Third,
>>>>>>> YOU have no business telling teachers what they should teach.
>>>>>> Pu-leeze. The only medical issues that teachers should be talking to
>>>>>> children about are those relating to the approved curriculum, not an
>>>>>> "amphetakids" commercial from the drug makers designed to turn every
>>>>>> kid into an addict.
>>>>> Petey, can you read? The URL posted by Buny is an excellent summation
>>>>> of teching strategies and skills for the instruction of all children.
>>>>> Nowhere does that article address teaching kids ABOUT the disorder.
>>>>>
>>>>> HOWEVER, considering that kids with the disorder are often ostracized,
>>>>> bullied and tormented, teaching children about why others act
>>>>> differently is something that a teacher should do. Oftentimes, school
>>>>> is the one place in a child's life where they are meeting people who
>>>>> are different from them.
>>>>>
>>>> Sure, teach them that "those" people are not normal. They are
>>>> "different".
>>> One can be different and still be normal. Your semantics suck.
>>
>> Tell that to a school child and then give a lecture on semantics.
>> The child will likely be SCARRED for life. They will be on meds.
>
> I see, so you think that all normal kids are exactly alike.
>
> As for being scarred for life...doubtful...remember, I have two kids who
> are "different" and still quite normal. Neither are scarred for life.
>
>> Answer why they are on meds and the others aren't.
>> Sick? Different? mental? nuts? uncontrollable?
>
> Different, but still normal. Both of my kids understand that. When my
> younger son mentions that he does half-marathons in his wheelchair, he is
> acknowledging his difference, but, at the same time, he is engaging in
> competitive sports and doing quite well. (He recently paced a W/C
> marathoner (for the half marathon) who has won the NYC, Boston, LA and
> several other marathons, and has medaled in the Paraolympics.)
>
>>>> I was different.
>>> What do you mean "was"?
>>
>> I was different as a child.
>> I am different as an adult.
>
> That is what I said. You must have missed it.
>
>>> Often the neat (jocks) people would try to make fun. BUT
>>>> since I was never told I was a "sicko" needing drugs, I survived.
>>> That has never been determinative of anything. Bullying is perpetrated
>>> by those who can do it because they have problems, not the victims.
>>
>> I didn't mention bullying.
>
> Glad that you acknowledged your shortcomings. What you described is
> bullying. Period. It creates a toxic environment in schools and was found
> to be present by NTAC in 2/3rds of the school shootings they investigated.
>
>> Those who "bully" need to be bullied by the responsible teacher or
>> "ejected".
>
> I would put it differently. Those who bully must be taught that it is
> anti-social behavior that will not be tolerated in any manner. Period.

Mark Probert the Internet Bully

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/2643f28c45492cfd

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From: Vernon on

"Sumbuny" <Sumbuny(a)THISSHOULDBEGONEcox.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> One can be different and still be normal. Your semantics suck.
>
> Agreed...I would much prefer to be "different" than someone like vernon
> appears to be...I would much prefer to be someone who works toward finding
> approaches that work towards a person's strengths, and "set them up for
> success" rather than allow them to wallow in failure--just because someone
> thinks that this is lessening the other person. That attitude is
> condescension.

You are the most condescending person here re: ADHD
I actually "set them up AS succesful"

>
> I prefer to be "different" than the person who looks down on a person who
> needs a helping hand....
>
> I prefer to be different than the person who refuses to let the
> nearsighted person put on his/her glasses, who refuses to let a person who
> is Deaf have the services of a translator, who refuses to let a person who
> has diabetic use insulin, who refuses to let a person who is blind use
> Braille, and who refuses to let a person who cannot mentally focus (ADHD)
> to use tools (such as the pedagogy tools in the link above, or the
> medication comparable to the diabetic)....

A little education for you. No one is "normal".
Physically identifiable things have physical solutions (alternate answers).

Mental variations are more in the mind of paid psychologists or failing
parents.

You just refuse to say it to those who have different needs / really
advantages.

You refuse to tell someone they have special capabilities that you don't.


From: Vernon on

"Sumbuny" <Sumbuny(a)THISSHOULDBEGONEcox.net> wrote in message
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> "Vernon" <athere(a)athere> wrote in message
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>> "Sumbuny" <Sumbuny(a)THISSHOULDBEGONEcox.net> wrote in message
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>>>
>>>
>>> Teachers have to be very concerned about ADHD...their jobs may depend on
>>> how informed they are about it, if they have students that have it....
>>
>>
>> They have students they don't like. Children are not automons that need
>> "fixing".
>
> Please state where I have ever claimed that they where....
>
> What I have implied is that teachers will always have some students that
> need certain accommodations...and federal law *requires* that these
> accommodations be met...

Good
As long as the various students are not separated and specifically
identified as different. The child knows whether they are different. They
don't need analysing face to face. If the teacher is any good the teacher
will help the child without saying the child is different in any way. The
biggest challenge for the teacher is to convince the child they are "O.K".

As a scout master a while back of 120 scouts, I ran accross all kinds. A
little example was a boy limited to a wheel chair. There were some things
he obviously couldn't do. I went to a local hospital and borrowed 30 wheel
chairs. I set up various games for three weeks in a row. He was a star in
every one. His nick name from then on was "speedy". When we went hiking it
became a privelage for other scouts to push him when necessary or get him
over a log. His father subsequently joined the leadership and said he
couldn't belive how his son was so excited to mix. The scout earned his
Eagle.

There are dozens of other such situations.

There were several which would have been perfect candidates for today's ADHD
treatment. Without exception they became leaders or semi leaders and were
the most strict with those "others" who would pay attention or moved around
or interupted.


>
>>
>>>
>>> Besides have it myself, and having children with it, I am a dual major
>>> (special ed, and elementary ed)...I know at least a little about this...
>>
>>
>> You are obsessed with yoursel and have passed it on to your children.
>
> There you go...assUming again...
>
> I was diagnosed with ADHD about 10 years after my children were...
>
>
>>
>> AD/HD doesn't exist except on paper.
>
> Nest thing you will be insisting is that my son's co-morbid autism does
> not exist either (as well as his co-existing determination of being
> academically gifted)...
>
> I suppose that both of these are "just on paper" as well?
>
> Tell us...where did you get your degree in neurology? or psychiatry?
> psychology?
>
> --
> Buny
>
> " Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be
> normal."
> ~ Albert Camus
>
>


From: Vernon on

"Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
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> Sumbuny wrote:
>> "Vernon" <athere(a)athere> wrote in message
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>>> "Sumbuny" <Sumbuny(a)THISSHOULDBEGONEcox.net> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>> Teachers have to be very concerned about ADHD...their jobs may depend
>>>> on how informed they are about it, if they have students that have
>>>> it....
>>>
>>> They have students they don't like. Children are not automons that need
>>> "fixing".
>>
>> Please state where I have ever claimed that they where....
>>
>> What I have implied is that teachers will always have some students that
>> need certain accommodations...and federal law *requires* that these
>> accommodations be met...
>>
>>>> Besides have it myself, and having children with it, I am a dual major
>>>> (special ed, and elementary ed)...I know at least a little about
>>>> this...
>>>
>>> You are obsessed with yoursel and have passed it on to your children.
>>
>> There you go...assUming again...
>>
>> I was diagnosed with ADHD about 10 years after my children were...
>>
>>
>>> AD/HD doesn't exist except on paper.
>>
>> Nest thing you will be insisting is that my son's co-morbid autism does
>> not exist either (as well as his co-existing determination of being
>> academically gifted)...
>>
>> I suppose that both of these are "just on paper" as well?
>>
>> Tell us...where did you get your degree in neurology? or psychiatry?
>> psychology?
>
> Cracker Jack University.
>

O.K. so you are jealous. Sorry.