From: PeterB on

David Wright wrote:
> In article <1159195343.642419.156890(a)>,
> PeterB <pkm(a)> wrote:
> >
> >David Wright wrote:
> >> In article <1158938448.861054.249950(a)>,
> >> PeterB <pkm(a)> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >JohnDoe wrote:
> >>
> >> >> That's 2 PhD's at most. Where are the other ones you told us about
> >> >> Vernon? You know, the ones that made you 'dominant scientist' somewhere,
> >> >> helped you invent magnetic tape, got you in top position at NASA, helped
> >> >> you overhaul the complete production procedures at Intel etc. And where
> >> >> did you find the time to learn to speak German? Oh yeah, that's right,
> >> >> you don't speak German.
> >> >
> >> >I guess you have little choice but to attack those infinitely more
> >> >intelligent than you. I mean, what choice do you have?
> >>
> >> Non-mathematicians like PeterB would be well advised to avoid
> >> mentioning infinity. It just makes them sound dumb.
> >
> >You're hardly the one to be making a comment about mathematics. Do you
> >still think that a murder in the hospital compromises data collected
> >for an iatrongenic study? hehe
> Thanks for reinforcing my point about you. Whether or not something
> should be included in a set of statistics is a matter of
> interpretation, not a matter of mathematics. I already knew you were
> a mathematical dimwit, but it's good of you to supply more evidence.

Funny that when you're making an argument, it isn't a matter of
interpretation, it's a reason to debunk the entire conclusion of a
study proving the dangers of pharmaceutical drugs.

> You probably think all infinities are the same size.

How could the space between your ears possibly be equal to that in any
other vaccum?


From: Sumbuny on

"Vernon" <athere(a)athere> wrote in message
> "Sumbuny" <Sumbuny(a)> wrote in message
> news:t6YRg.1378$Rp3.42(a)dukeread12...
>> "Vernon" <athere(a)athere> wrote in message
>> news:4517ebe1$0$23908$882e0bbb(a)
>>> "Sumbuny" <Sumbuny(a)> wrote in message
>>> news:GwGRg.1348$Rp3.943(a)dukeread12...
>>> O.K., you have some mental problems and have found a new religion.
>>> It is interfering with your ability to see when someone is in general
>>> agreement.
>>> If you think your religion needs defending, re-think your decisions.
>> What are you "generally agreeing" with...exactly? Oh, and FWIW, my
>> religious beliefs have nothing to do with my medical and educational
>> therapies....
> "religious" is NOT limited to deistic.
> Pragmatic and consistant behavior based on a beleif system is a religion
> Jogging EVERY day is a religion.
> TaiChi IS a religion
> Yoga is a religion.
> To some their doctor is their God.
> YOU brought up the mind control exersize. (religion)

*IF* it becomes all-comsuming, anything can be a religion...for some, their
computer is their god--is that so for you?

<considering direction of posts from Vernon>

Is "anti-medication" *your* religion??? It would seem so to many here...


" Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be
~ Albert Camus

From: Sumbuny on

"Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)> wrote in message
> Vernon wrote:
>> "Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)> wrote in message
>> news:EJURg.1331$0Y2.806(a)trndny09...
>>> PeterB wrote:
>>>> Rich wrote:
>>>>>> "Sumbuny" <Sumbuny(a)> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:spERg.1341$Rp3.1000(a)dukeread12...
>>>>>>> "Vernon" <athere(a)athere> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:4515cb06$0$23828$882e0bbb(a)
>>>>>>>> "Sumbuny" <Sumbuny(a)> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:NcjRg.1294$Rp3.781(a)dukeread12...
>>>>>>>>> "Vernon" <athere(a)athere> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:45140cd0$0$23894$882e0bbb(a)
>>>>>>>>>> "Sumbuny" <Sumbuny(a)> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:KMEQg.71$Rp3.63(a)dukeread12...
>>>>>>>>>>> "Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:wPdQg.3212$Se.671(a)trndny03...
>>>>>>>>>>> No surprise there...I suspected he was ADHD since he was on
>>>>>>>>>>> "Trading
>>>>>>>>>>> Spaces"...the fact that he "came out" about it was brave, since
>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>> many who have it do not want other to know about it, fearing
>>>>>>>>>>> that it
>>>>>>>>>>> will harm their careers...a shame, really.
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Buny
>>>>>>>>>>> " Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy
>>>>>>>>>>> merely to
>>>>>>>>>>> be normal."
>>>>>>>>>>> ~ Albert Camus
>>>>>>>>>> Most who have the imaginary "it" don't know they have "it" and
>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>> get on with their lives knowing that no two people are alike and
>>>>>>>>>> REFUSE to take drugs to become an automon or programmed
>>>>>>>>>> personality
>>>>>>>>>> that fits some imaginary standard.
>>>>>>>>>> Yep, there are people who ACTUALLY like who they are. Then there
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> the druggies and alcoholics.
>>>>>>>>> Perfect example...if I said I had ADHD, would you say the same
>>>>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>>>> about me as well?
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Buny
>>>>>>>> If you said it, you would be wrong, absolutely convinced and
>>>>>>>> possibly
>>>>>>>> under some treatment, but wrong.
>>>>>>> ...and if I told you that my treatment involved such non-medicinal
>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>> as seen here?
>>>>>> Teachers have NO business to instruct children about ADHD.
>>>>> What an incredibly stupid comment! First of all, the article is about
>>>>> instructing children who HAVE ADHD, not instructing children ABOUT
>>>>> ADHD.
>>>>> (More evidence of your poor reading comprehension skills.) Second,
>>>>> teachers
>>>>> are very much in the business of instructing children about anything
>>>>> and
>>>>> everything, and certainly ADHD is a subject that children should know
>>>>> more
>>>>> about, since they are interacting daily with ADHD fellow students.
>>>>> Third,
>>>>> YOU have no business telling teachers what they should teach.
>>>> Pu-leeze. The only medical issues that teachers should be talking to
>>>> children about are those relating to the approved curriculum, not an
>>>> "amphetakids" commercial from the drug makers designed to turn every
>>>> kid into an addict.
>>> Petey, can you read? The URL posted by Buny is an excellent summation of
>>> teching strategies and skills for the instruction of all children.
>>> Nowhere does that article address teaching kids ABOUT the disorder.
>>> HOWEVER, considering that kids with the disorder are often ostracized,
>>> bullied and tormented, teaching children about why others act
>>> differently is something that a teacher should do. Oftentimes, school is
>>> the one place in a child's life where they are meeting people who are
>>> different from them.
>> Sure, teach them that "those" people are not normal. They are
>> "different".
> One can be different and still be normal. Your semantics suck.

Agreed...I would much prefer to be "different" than someone like vernon
appears to be...I would much prefer to be someone who works toward finding
approaches that work towards a person's strengths, and "set them up for
success" rather than allow them to wallow in failure--just because someone
thinks that this is lessening the other person. That attitude is

I prefer to be "different" than the person who looks down on a person who
needs a helping hand....

I prefer to be different than the person who refuses to let the nearsighted
person put on his/her glasses, who refuses to let a person who is Deaf have
the services of a translator, who refuses to let a person who has diabetic
use insulin, who refuses to let a person who is blind use Braille, and who
refuses to let a person who cannot mentally focus (ADHD) to use tools (such
as the pedagogy tools in the link above, or the medication comparable to the

To do otherwise is abusive to the student as a teacher, and neglectful as a
parent--either of which is criminal in the eyes of the law....

> Vern, the "Chick magnet"

Go back to your science classes, might then recall that magnets
also repel...


" Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be
~ Albert Camus

From: Sumbuny on

"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname(a)> wrote in message
> ace_berzerker <ace_berzerker(a)> wrote:
>>Vernon wrote:
>>> The only thing I thought was that girls are easy and the prettier,
>>> the easier. By easy, I DON'T mean sexually, just easy to make a
>>> follower or partner. A LOT of it was not my charm (I didn't think I
>>> had any), but having answers in group studies and in lab work.
>>not part of my experience.
>>i went to a college prep for boys, run by the jesuits.
>>if we got out of line, there was 60 lines of shakespeare waiting to be
>>memorized on saturday morning.
> No problem for Vern. About the only thing he hasn't claimed is that he
> wrote Shakespeare, but he has probably appeared in all the plays.
> Probably taught Olivier and Brannagh how to act as well.

ROTFLMHO!!!! I have to remember this one!


" Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be
~ Albert Camus

From: Sumbuny on

"Vernon" <athere(a)athere> wrote in message
> "Sumbuny" <Sumbuny(a)> wrote in message
> news:xbYRg.1379$Rp3.848(a)dukeread12...
>> Teachers have to be very concerned about ADHD...their jobs may depend on
>> how informed they are about it, if they have students that have it....
> They have students they don't like. Children are not automons that need
> "fixing".

Please state where I have ever claimed that they where....

What I have implied is that teachers will always have some students that
need certain accommodations...and federal law *requires* that these
accommodations be met...

>> Besides have it myself, and having children with it, I am a dual major
>> (special ed, and elementary ed)...I know at least a little about this...
> You are obsessed with yoursel and have passed it on to your children.

There you go...assUming again...

I was diagnosed with ADHD about 10 years after my children were...

> AD/HD doesn't exist except on paper.

Nest thing you will be insisting is that my son's co-morbid autism does not
exist either (as well as his co-existing determination of being academically

I suppose that both of these are "just on paper" as well?

Tell us...where did you get your degree in neurology? or psychiatry?


" Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be
~ Albert Camus