From: PeterB on

Vernon wrote:
> "PeterB" <pkm(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1158938448.861054.249950(a)i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > JohnDoe wrote:
> >> Vernon wrote:
> >>
> >> > "Janna Hoskin" <janna_louise(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:G3qQg.19787$KA6.18888(a)clgrps12...
> >> >
> >> >>Rich wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>"Rich" <joshew(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
> >> >>>news:JgpQg.10664$rE5.4610(a)tornado.socal.rr.com...
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>"Vernon" <athere(a)athere> wrote in message
> >> >>>>news:45121ea6$0$23870$882e0bbb(a)news.ThunderNews.com...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>"Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>news:9HmQg.3239$Se.1941(a)trndny03...
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>David Wright wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>In article <45117712$0$23843$882e0bbb(a)news.ThunderNews.com>,
> >> >>>>>>>Vernon <athere(a)athere> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>"Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>>>>news:wPdQg.3212$Se.671(a)trndny03...
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>The entire site is just about the most ignorant presentation I
> >> >>>>>>>>have
> >> >>>>>>>>ever seen.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>As someone who has actually had some training in psychology or
> >> >>>>>>>>behavioral science,
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>You're not sure which?
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>He skipped that class.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Behavioral science IS psychology and V.V.
> >> >>>>>Take some drugs or have a drink or a dozen.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>I used both terms because there are some here who open their mouth
> >> >>>>>with
> >> >>>>>no education and I just identified two of them.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>Okay, wise one. Tell us the difference between "punishment" and
> >> >>>>"negative reinforcement" as defined by Dr. Skinner. Quickly now; you
> >> >>>>lose points if you take time to look it up on the internet. If you
> >> >>>>indeed studied the subject, the answer should be already in mind.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Too late, Vern. Either you didn't know, or you weren't paying
> >> >>>attention.
> >> >>>I really don't believe you have any education in behavioral science OR
> >> >>>psychology. You're just blowing smoke, as usual.
> >> >>
> >> >>Oh, hey, if Vern never gets back to you on that question, can I answer?
> >> >>I
> >> >>know it!
> >> >>
> >> >>(And I have a psych degree and have worked as a behavioural therapist
> >> >>with
> >> >>autistic children, and I take medication for my ADHD.)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Well, good, so you keep yourself drugged.
> >> > So you work with people who charge money to play games.
> >> >
> >> > After getting a degree and finding out the nonsense that Psychologists
> >> > spout
> >> > (no stats to back them up), the dishonesty and typically the general
> >> > ignorance, I decided to go into Physics (not much opportunity except in
> >> > teaching) and then changed to Engineering.
> >>
> >> That's 2 PhD's at most. Where are the other ones you told us about
> >> Vernon? You know, the ones that made you 'dominant scientist' somewhere,
> >> helped you invent magnetic tape, got you in top position at NASA, helped
> >> you overhaul the complete production procedures at Intel etc. And where
> >> did you find the time to learn to speak German? Oh yeah, that's right,
> >> you don't speak German.
> >
> > I guess you have little choice but to attack those infinitely more
> > intelligent than you. I mean, what choice do you have?
> >
>
>
> At the risk of being politically incorrect in these times of "terror"
> There is an Arabic saying.
>
> He who knows and knows not that he knows is asleep, awaken him
> He who knows and knows that he knows is wise, follow him.
> He who knows not and knows that he knows not is simple, teach him
> He who knows not and knows not that he knows not is a fool shun him.
>
> Guess which one John Doe resembles.
>
> Anyway, I'm not going to apologize to a fool for being obsessed with
> learning.
> The fool can't even figure out what I said. (I said NONE of his claims)
> Fools are easily confused and often just plain lie.

Johnboy is just another keyboard banger waiting for fellow monkeys to
kick it with.

From: Mark Probert on
PeterB wrote:
> Rich wrote:
>>> "Sumbuny" <Sumbuny(a)THISSHOULDBEGONEcox.net> wrote in message
>>> news:spERg.1341$Rp3.1000(a)dukeread12...
>>>> "Vernon" <athere(a)athere> wrote in message
>>>> news:4515cb06$0$23828$882e0bbb(a)news.ThunderNews.com...
>>>>> "Sumbuny" <Sumbuny(a)THISSHOULDBEGONEcox.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:NcjRg.1294$Rp3.781(a)dukeread12...
>>>>>> "Vernon" <athere(a)athere> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:45140cd0$0$23894$882e0bbb(a)news.ThunderNews.com...
>>>>>>> "Sumbuny" <Sumbuny(a)THISSHOULDBEGONEcox.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:KMEQg.71$Rp3.63(a)dukeread12...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:wPdQg.3212$Se.671(a)trndny03...
>>>>>>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/
>>>>>>>> No surprise there...I suspected he was ADHD since he was on "Trading
>>>>>>>> Spaces"...the fact that he "came out" about it was brave, since so
>>>>>>>> many who have it do not want other to know about it, fearing that it
>>>>>>>> will harm their careers...a shame, really.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Buny
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> " Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to
>>>>>>>> be normal."
>>>>>>>> ~ Albert Camus
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most who have the imaginary "it" don't know they have "it" and just
>>>>>>> get on with their lives knowing that no two people are alike and
>>>>>>> REFUSE to take drugs to become an automon or programmed personality
>>>>>>> that fits some imaginary standard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yep, there are people who ACTUALLY like who they are. Then there are
>>>>>>> the druggies and alcoholics.
>>>>>> Perfect example...if I said I had ADHD, would you say the same thing
>>>>>> about me as well?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Buny
>>>>> If you said it, you would be wrong, absolutely convinced and possibly
>>>>> under some treatment, but wrong.
>>>> ...and if I told you that my treatment involved such non-medicinal things
>>>> as seen here? http://www.ldonline.org/article/8797?theme=print
>>> Teachers have NO business to instruct children about ADHD.
>>>
>>
>> What an incredibly stupid comment! First of all, the article is about
>> instructing children who HAVE ADHD, not instructing children ABOUT ADHD.
>> (More evidence of your poor reading comprehension skills.) Second, teachers
>> are very much in the business of instructing children about anything and
>> everything, and certainly ADHD is a subject that children should know more
>> about, since they are interacting daily with ADHD fellow students. Third,
>> YOU have no business telling teachers what they should teach.
>
> Pu-leeze. The only medical issues that teachers should be talking to
> children about are those relating to the approved curriculum, not an
> "amphetakids" commercial from the drug makers designed to turn every
> kid into an addict.

Petey, can you read? The URL posted by Buny is an excellent summation of
teching strategies and skills for the instruction of all children.
Nowhere does that article address teaching kids ABOUT the disorder.

HOWEVER, considering that kids with the disorder are often ostracized,
bullied and tormented, teaching children about why others act
differently is something that a teacher should do. Oftentimes, school is
the one place in a child's life where they are meeting people who are
different from them.

From: Vernon on

"Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:EJURg.1331$0Y2.806(a)trndny09...
> PeterB wrote:
>> Rich wrote:
>>>> "Sumbuny" <Sumbuny(a)THISSHOULDBEGONEcox.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:spERg.1341$Rp3.1000(a)dukeread12...
>>>>> "Vernon" <athere(a)athere> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4515cb06$0$23828$882e0bbb(a)news.ThunderNews.com...
>>>>>> "Sumbuny" <Sumbuny(a)THISSHOULDBEGONEcox.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:NcjRg.1294$Rp3.781(a)dukeread12...
>>>>>>> "Vernon" <athere(a)athere> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:45140cd0$0$23894$882e0bbb(a)news.ThunderNews.com...
>>>>>>>> "Sumbuny" <Sumbuny(a)THISSHOULDBEGONEcox.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:KMEQg.71$Rp3.63(a)dukeread12...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:wPdQg.3212$Se.671(a)trndny03...
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/
>>>>>>>>> No surprise there...I suspected he was ADHD since he was on
>>>>>>>>> "Trading
>>>>>>>>> Spaces"...the fact that he "came out" about it was brave, since so
>>>>>>>>> many who have it do not want other to know about it, fearing that
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> will harm their careers...a shame, really.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Buny
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> " Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> be normal."
>>>>>>>>> ~ Albert Camus
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Most who have the imaginary "it" don't know they have "it" and just
>>>>>>>> get on with their lives knowing that no two people are alike and
>>>>>>>> REFUSE to take drugs to become an automon or programmed personality
>>>>>>>> that fits some imaginary standard.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yep, there are people who ACTUALLY like who they are. Then there
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> the druggies and alcoholics.
>>>>>>> Perfect example...if I said I had ADHD, would you say the same thing
>>>>>>> about me as well?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Buny
>>>>>> If you said it, you would be wrong, absolutely convinced and possibly
>>>>>> under some treatment, but wrong.
>>>>> ...and if I told you that my treatment involved such non-medicinal
>>>>> things
>>>>> as seen here? http://www.ldonline.org/article/8797?theme=print
>>>> Teachers have NO business to instruct children about ADHD.
>>>>
>>>
>>> What an incredibly stupid comment! First of all, the article is about
>>> instructing children who HAVE ADHD, not instructing children ABOUT ADHD.
>>> (More evidence of your poor reading comprehension skills.) Second,
>>> teachers
>>> are very much in the business of instructing children about anything and
>>> everything, and certainly ADHD is a subject that children should know
>>> more
>>> about, since they are interacting daily with ADHD fellow students.
>>> Third,
>>> YOU have no business telling teachers what they should teach.
>>
>> Pu-leeze. The only medical issues that teachers should be talking to
>> children about are those relating to the approved curriculum, not an
>> "amphetakids" commercial from the drug makers designed to turn every
>> kid into an addict.
>
> Petey, can you read? The URL posted by Buny is an excellent summation of
> teching strategies and skills for the instruction of all children. Nowhere
> does that article address teaching kids ABOUT the disorder.
>
> HOWEVER, considering that kids with the disorder are often ostracized,
> bullied and tormented, teaching children about why others act differently
> is something that a teacher should do. Oftentimes, school is the one place
> in a child's life where they are meeting people who are different from
> them.
>

Sure, teach them that "those" people are not normal. They are "different".

I was different. Often the neat (jocks) people would try to make fun. BUT
since I was never told I was a "sicko" needing drugs, I survived. It wasn't
long before whenever I went into a classroom at the beginning of a semester
in H.S. , I would be immediately surrounded by girls and some other "nerds".
Of course they have just finished a study showing that girls mentally mature
earlier than boys. I had several things going FOR, (note; FOR), me, all the
way through college.
1. I was never quiet in class.
2. I fidgeted
3. I always became teacher's pet.
4. I seldom did my homework and teachers would berate me public
5. I always got the highest or near highest grades on exams.
6. The few times the jocks got physical, they found out that I worked in a
vegetable store carrying 100lb sacks of various foods for three hours 7 days
a week.
7. The only time I got really special treatment from teachers was gym
teachers who kept me away from other students and eventually said I should
be excused from gym because I obviously didn't need it. Of course that gave
me opportunity to take other classes.
8. I always got asked to dances BY girls. (I could dance) (I learned
because I walked funny when I was four or five and my mother sent me to
dance school and continued until I was 11.)
9. I never drank or smoked until 21. Never drank on my own. I was served
wine and beer at home, regularly, and was told stories about people who were
dumb enough to get drunk.
9. I was kidded because there was always a crowd of girls around my locker.

I was so abnormal, I really should have been on some meds. "GEEEE, He's
different" "Zap him" "WE can't have a child like that"


From: Sumbuny on



"Vernon" <athere(a)athere> wrote in message
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>
> "Sumbuny" <Sumbuny(a)THISSHOULDBEGONEcox.net> wrote in message
> news:GwGRg.1348$Rp3.943(a)dukeread12...
>>
>>
>
>
> O.K., you have some mental problems and have found a new religion.
>
> It is interfering with your ability to see when someone is in general
> agreement.
>
> If you think your religion needs defending, re-think your decisions.

What are you "generally agreeing" with...exactly? Oh, and FWIW, my
religious beliefs have nothing to do with my medical and educational
therapies....

--
Buny

" Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be
normal."
~ Albert Camus


From: Sumbuny on

"Rich" <joshew(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4UJRg.6774$%i.1244(a)tornado.socal.rr.com...
>
> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:PJJRg.4418$TV3.1714(a)newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>>
>> "Sumbuny" <Sumbuny(a)THISSHOULDBEGONEcox.net> wrote in message
>> news:spERg.1341$Rp3.1000(a)dukeread12...
>>>
>>> "Vernon" <athere(a)athere> wrote in message
>>> news:4515cb06$0$23828$882e0bbb(a)news.ThunderNews.com...
>>>>
>>>> "Sumbuny" <Sumbuny(a)THISSHOULDBEGONEcox.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:NcjRg.1294$Rp3.781(a)dukeread12...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Vernon" <athere(a)athere> wrote in message
>>>>> news:45140cd0$0$23894$882e0bbb(a)news.ThunderNews.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Sumbuny" <Sumbuny(a)THISSHOULDBEGONEcox.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:KMEQg.71$Rp3.63(a)dukeread12...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:wPdQg.3212$Se.671(a)trndny03...
>>>>>>>> http://www.adderallxr.com/ty/ty_story/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No surprise there...I suspected he was ADHD since he was on "Trading
>>>>>>> Spaces"...the fact that he "came out" about it was brave, since so
>>>>>>> many who have it do not want other to know about it, fearing that it
>>>>>>> will harm their careers...a shame, really.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Buny
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> " Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely
>>>>>>> to be normal."
>>>>>>> ~ Albert Camus
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most who have the imaginary "it" don't know they have "it" and just
>>>>>> get on with their lives knowing that no two people are alike and
>>>>>> REFUSE to take drugs to become an automon or programmed personality
>>>>>> that fits some imaginary standard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep, there are people who ACTUALLY like who they are. Then there are
>>>>>> the druggies and alcoholics.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perfect example...if I said I had ADHD, would you say the same thing
>>>>> about me as well?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Buny
>>>>
>>>> If you said it, you would be wrong, absolutely convinced and possibly
>>>> under some treatment, but wrong.
>>>
>>> ...and if I told you that my treatment involved such non-medicinal
>>> things as seen here? http://www.ldonline.org/article/8797?theme=print
>>
>> Teachers have NO business to instruct children about ADHD.
>>
>
>
> What an incredibly stupid comment! First of all, the article is about
> instructing children who HAVE ADHD, not instructing children ABOUT ADHD.
> (More evidence of your poor reading comprehension skills.) Second,
> teachers are very much in the business of instructing children about
> anything and everything, and certainly ADHD is a subject that children
> should know more about, since they are interacting daily with ADHD fellow
> students. Third, YOU have no business telling teachers what they should
> teach.

Since I have killfiled Jan, I thank you for the comment--I only see what
others have copied from her. What is important about this link is that
teachers are bound by *federal law* to make certain accommodations for
students that have ADHD...by either the Individuals with Disabilities
Education Act (IDEA), or section 504 of the Rehabilitation act of 1975--to
do else could cost them their jobs and cost the schools and the school
districts possibly millions in damages....

If one is not convinced, all one has to do is look to
http://www.wrightslaw.com/ for information about special education law where
it concerns ADHD

Teachers have to be very concerned about ADHD...their jobs may depend on how
informed they are about it, if they have students that have it....

Besides have it myself, and having children with it, I am a dual major
(special ed, and elementary ed)...I know at least a little about this...



--
Buny

" Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be
normal."
~ Albert Camus