From: Jason on
In article
<b019aab1-6088-4cf6-a5e0-bea5e00bc93c(a)x6g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>, Mark
Probert <mark.probert(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jan 20, 3:00=A0pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article
> > <d4d3591c-377b-4838-a7b3-b3fc30b1e...(a)x6g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>, Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Jan 18, 10:57=3DA0pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > Perhaps I would be in agreement with the enemies of vaccines if I=
> had=3D
> > > =A0NOT
> > > > > > had an aunt that had Polio. As a young child, I saw what a victim=
> of =3D
> > > poli=3D3D
> > > > > o
> > > > > > had to deal with on a daily basis. I think that it is wonderful t=
> hat
> > > > > > people in this generation that have had a vaccine for polio do NO=
> T ha=3D
> > > ve t=3D3D
> > > > > o
> > > > > > be concerned with getting such a terrible disease. I doubt that a=
> ny o=3D
> > > f th=3D3D
> > > > > e
> > > > > > enemies of vaccines have known a family member or close friend th=
> at h=3D
> > > ave
> > > > > > had polio--otherwise, they would NOT be an enemy of vaccines. On =
> the =3D
> > > othe=3D3D
> > > > > r
> > > > > > hand, vaccines that have not been tested in the way that they sho=
> uld =3D
> > > have
> > > > > > been tested should not be given to anyone. I have read that they =
> vacc=3D
> > > ine
> > > > > > for swine flu has NOT been tested in the way that vaccines should=
> be
> > > > > > tested and it is for that reason that none of the members of my f=
> amil=3D
> > > y
> > > > > > will be getting the vaccine for swine flu.
> >
> > > > > That is incorrect. The process is identical as to ones used in year=
> s
> > > > > past.
> >
> > > > I conducted a quick google search for "Swine flu vaccine not properly
> > > > tested" and found the following:
> >
> > > Snip
> >
> > > Snipo
> >
> > > Snip
> >
> > > Snip
> >
> > > Snip
> >
> > > > Swine flu vaccines are safe and time-tested, experts assert ...
> > > > Oct 19, 2009 ... Swine flu vaccines are safe and time-tested, experts
> > > > assert ... Hardly, and
> > > > especially not compared with the dangers of the H1N1 flu virus. ... a=
> utho=3D
> > > rities
> > > > and others familiar with how swine flu vaccine is being made, ...http=
> ://w=3D
> > > ww.chicagotribune.com/health/chi-flu-vaccine-making-19-oct19,...
> > > > - 141k - Cached - Similar pages
> > > Snip
> >
> > > I removed everything that is from either a known anti-vaccination
> > > source, e.g. Age of Autism Cesspoop, a newspaper that had consistently
> > > demonstrated utter credulousness when propagating the Wakefield
> > > fiasco, etc.
> >
> > > What I left supports my comment.
> >
> > > Now, please come back with something that is factual.
> >
> > If you choose to take a vaccine that has NOT been properly tested, please=
> do so.-
>
> Since you do not believe the reality that vaccines have been properly
> tested, please avoid them.
>
> Please allow Darwin to do his deed, and PLEASE, do not propagate your
> seed until after Darwin has taken care of you.

About half the GP doctors refuse to take the vaccine because it has NOT
been properly tested. I will do the same thing they -- which is to refuse
to take the vaccine. I will let you and others can be the lab rats that
test the vaccine.


From: Mark Probert on
On Jan 20, 4:47 pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article
> <b019aab1-6088-4cf6-a5e0-bea5e00bc...(a)x6g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>, Mark
>
>
>
>
>
> Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 20, 3:00=A0pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <d4d3591c-377b-4838-a7b3-b3fc30b1e...(a)x6g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>, Mark
>
> > > Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Jan 18, 10:57=3DA0pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > Perhaps I would be in agreement with the enemies of vaccines if I=
> >  had=3D
> > > > =A0NOT
> > > > > > > had an aunt that had Polio. As a young child, I saw what a victim=
> >  of =3D
> > > > poli=3D3D
> > > > > > o
> > > > > > > had to deal with on a daily basis. I think that it is wonderful t=
> > hat
> > > > > > > people in this generation that have had a vaccine for polio do NO=
> > T ha=3D
> > > > ve t=3D3D
> > > > > > o
> > > > > > > be concerned with getting such a terrible disease. I doubt that a=
> > ny o=3D
> > > > f th=3D3D
> > > > > > e
> > > > > > > enemies of vaccines have known a family member or close friend th=
> > at h=3D
> > > > ave
> > > > > > > had polio--otherwise, they would NOT be an enemy of vaccines. On =
> > the =3D
> > > > othe=3D3D
> > > > > > r
> > > > > > > hand, vaccines that have not been tested in the way that they sho=
> > uld =3D
> > > > have
> > > > > > > been tested should not be given to anyone. I have read that they =
> > vacc=3D
> > > > ine
> > > > > > > for swine flu has NOT been tested in the way that vaccines should=
> >  be
> > > > > > > tested and it is for that reason that none of the members of my f=
> > amil=3D
> > > > y
> > > > > > > will be getting the vaccine for swine flu.
>
> > > > > > That is incorrect. The process is identical as to ones used in year=
> > s
> > > > > > past.
>
> > > > > I conducted a quick google search for "Swine flu vaccine not properly
> > > > > tested" and found the following:
>
> > > > Snip
>
> > > > Snipo
>
> > > > Snip
>
> > > > Snip
>
> > > > Snip
>
> > > > > Swine flu vaccines are safe and time-tested, experts assert ...
> > > > > Oct 19, 2009 ... Swine flu vaccines are safe and time-tested, experts
> > > > > assert ... Hardly, and
> > > > > especially not compared with the dangers of the H1N1 flu virus. .... a=
> > utho=3D
> > > > rities
> > > > > and others familiar with how swine flu vaccine is being made, ...http=
> > ://w=3D
> > > > ww.chicagotribune.com/health/chi-flu-vaccine-making-19-oct19,...
> > > > > - 141k - Cached - Similar pages
> > > > Snip
>
> > > > I removed everything that is from either a known anti-vaccination
> > > > source, e.g. Age of Autism Cesspoop, a newspaper that had consistently
> > > > demonstrated utter credulousness when propagating the Wakefield
> > > > fiasco, etc.
>
> > > > What I left supports my comment.
>
> > > > Now, please come back with something that is factual.
>
> > > If you choose to take a vaccine that has NOT been properly tested, please=
> >  do so.-
>
> > Since you do not believe the reality that vaccines have been properly
> > tested, please avoid them.
>
> > Please allow Darwin to do his deed, and PLEASE, do not propagate your
> > seed until after Darwin has taken care of you.
>
> About half the GP doctors refuse to take the vaccine because it has NOT
> been properly tested

How sad that so many GPs are not properly informed. BTW, care to PROVE
that statement?

.. I will do the same thing they -- which is to refuse
> to take the vaccine. I will let you and others can be the lab rats that
> test the vaccine.-

Damn that Darwin, he is too selective.

From: PeterB - Original on
On Jan 20, 2:11 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 20, 3:00 pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <d4d3591c-377b-4838-a7b3-b3fc30b1e...(a)x6g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>, Mark
>
> > Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Jan 18, 10:57=A0pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > Perhaps I would be in agreement with the enemies of vaccines if I had=
> > >  NOT
> > > > > > had an aunt that had Polio. As a young child, I saw what a victim of =
> > > poli=3D
> > > > > o
> > > > > > had to deal with on a daily basis. I think that it is wonderful that
> > > > > > people in this generation that have had a vaccine for polio do NOT ha=
> > > ve t=3D
> > > > > o
> > > > > > be concerned with getting such a terrible disease. I doubt that any o=
> > > f th=3D
> > > > > e
> > > > > > enemies of vaccines have known a family member or close friend that h=
> > > ave
> > > > > > had polio--otherwise, they would NOT be an enemy of vaccines. On the =
> > > othe=3D
> > > > > r
> > > > > > hand, vaccines that have not been tested in the way that they should =
> > > have
> > > > > > been tested should not be given to anyone. I have read that they vacc=
> > > ine
> > > > > > for swine flu has NOT been tested in the way that vaccines should be
> > > > > > tested and it is for that reason that none of the members of my famil=
> > > y
> > > > > > will be getting the vaccine for swine flu.
>
> > > > > That is incorrect. The process is identical as to ones used in years
> > > > > past.
>
> > > > I conducted a quick google search for "Swine flu vaccine not properly
> > > > tested" and found the following:
>
> > > Snip
>
> > > Snipo
>
> > > Snip
>
> > > Snip
>
> > > Snip
>
> > > > Swine flu vaccines are safe and time-tested, experts assert ...
> > > > Oct 19, 2009 ... Swine flu vaccines are safe and time-tested, experts
> > > > assert ... Hardly, and
> > > > especially not compared with the dangers of the H1N1 flu virus. ... autho=
> > > rities
> > > > and others familiar with how swine flu vaccine is being made, ...http://w=
> > > ww.chicagotribune.com/health/chi-flu-vaccine-making-19-oct19,...
> > > > - 141k - Cached - Similar pages
> > > Snip
>
> > > I removed everything that is from either a known anti-vaccination
> > > source, e.g. Age of Autism Cesspoop, a newspaper that had consistently
> > > demonstrated utter credulousness when propagating the Wakefield
> > > fiasco, etc.
>
> > > What I left supports my comment.
>
> > > Now, please come back with something that is factual.
>
> > If you choose to take a vaccine that has NOT been properly tested, please do so.-
>
> Since you do not believe the reality that vaccines have been properly
> tested, please avoid them.

Your refusal to cite any proof supporting your claims using the excuse
that I would discredit it just proves you have no proof.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/f569f86c8ed22f4e

> Please allow Darwin to do his deed, and PLEASE, do not propagate your
> seed until after Darwin has taken care of you.

From: Jason on
In article
<f7b96d5e-06be-4d78-84cf-64d6c0404c69(a)36g2000yqu.googlegroups.com>, Mark
Probert <mark.probert(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jan 20, 4:47=A0pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article
> > <b019aab1-6088-4cf6-a5e0-bea5e00bc...(a)x6g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>, Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Jan 20, 3:00=3DA0pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <d4d3591c-377b-4838-a7b3-b3fc30b1e...(a)x6g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>, M=
> ark
> >
> > > > Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Jan 18, 10:57=3D3DA0pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > > Perhaps I would be in agreement with the enemies of vaccines =
> if I=3D
> > > =A0had=3D3D
> > > > > =3DA0NOT
> > > > > > > > had an aunt that had Polio. As a young child, I saw what a vi=
> ctim=3D
> > > =A0of =3D3D
> > > > > poli=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > o
> > > > > > > > had to deal with on a daily basis. I think that it is wonderf=
> ul t=3D
> > > hat
> > > > > > > > people in this generation that have had a vaccine for polio d=
> o NO=3D
> > > T ha=3D3D
> > > > > ve t=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > o
> > > > > > > > be concerned with getting such a terrible disease. I doubt th=
> at a=3D
> > > ny o=3D3D
> > > > > f th=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > > enemies of vaccines have known a family member or close frien=
> d th=3D
> > > at h=3D3D
> > > > > ave
> > > > > > > > had polio--otherwise, they would NOT be an enemy of vaccines.=
> On =3D
> > > the =3D3D
> > > > > othe=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > r
> > > > > > > > hand, vaccines that have not been tested in the way that they=
> sho=3D
> > > uld =3D3D
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > > been tested should not be given to anyone. I have read that t=
> hey =3D
> > > vacc=3D3D
> > > > > ine
> > > > > > > > for swine flu has NOT been tested in the way that vaccines sh=
> ould=3D
> > > =A0be
> > > > > > > > tested and it is for that reason that none of the members of =
> my f=3D
> > > amil=3D3D
> > > > > y
> > > > > > > > will be getting the vaccine for swine flu.
> >
> > > > > > > That is incorrect. The process is identical as to ones used in =
> year=3D
> > > s
> > > > > > > past.
> >
> > > > > > I conducted a quick google search for "Swine flu vaccine not prop=
> erly
> > > > > > tested" and found the following:
> >
> > > > > Snip
> >
> > > > > Snipo
> >
> > > > > Snip
> >
> > > > > Snip
> >
> > > > > Snip
> >
> > > > > > Swine flu vaccines are safe and time-tested, experts assert ...
> > > > > > Oct 19, 2009 ... Swine flu vaccines are safe and time-tested, exp=
> erts
> > > > > > assert ... Hardly, and
> > > > > > especially not compared with the dangers of the H1N1 flu virus. .=
> .. a=3D
> > > utho=3D3D
> > > > > rities
> > > > > > and others familiar with how swine flu vaccine is being made, ...=
> http=3D
> > > ://w=3D3D
> > > > > ww.chicagotribune.com/health/chi-flu-vaccine-making-19-oct19,...
> > > > > > - 141k - Cached - Similar pages
> > > > > Snip
> >
> > > > > I removed everything that is from either a known anti-vaccination
> > > > > source, e.g. Age of Autism Cesspoop, a newspaper that had consisten=
> tly
> > > > > demonstrated utter credulousness when propagating the Wakefield
> > > > > fiasco, etc.
> >
> > > > > What I left supports my comment.
> >
> > > > > Now, please come back with something that is factual.
> >
> > > > If you choose to take a vaccine that has NOT been properly tested, pl=
> ease=3D
> > > =A0do so.-
> >
> > > Since you do not believe the reality that vaccines have been properly
> > > tested, please avoid them.
> >
> > > Please allow Darwin to do his deed, and PLEASE, do not propagate your
> > > seed until after Darwin has taken care of you.
> >
> > About half the GP doctors refuse to take the vaccine because it has NOT
> > been properly tested
>
> How sad that so many GPs are not properly informed. BTW, care to PROVE
> that statement?

http://nationalexpositor.com/News/1682.html

Healthcare workers revolt against vaccination while government plans mass
immunization programmes -

InfoWars - Two separate polls of GPs in Britain have revealed that one in
two doctors have severe reservations over the safety of the forthcoming
H1N1 flu vaccine, raising serious questions over the government's planned
mass vaccination programme.

A poll of doctors for Pulse magazine found that 49% would reject the
vaccine with 9% still undecided.

56 of the 115 GPs surveyed said they did not intend to receive the jab,
according to the UK's leading medical weekly publication for health
professionals.

A second poll conducted by GP magazine reveals that Up to 60% of GPs have
severe doubts over the proposed vaccine. Of 216 GPs surveyed, 29% say they
will outright refuse to be vaccinated, while a further 29% remain unsure.
Only 41% of doctors said they would definitely take the shot.

Of those who said they would not take the shot, 71% said they were
concerned that the vaccine had "not been through sufficient trials to
guarantee its safety". Over half, 50.4%, said they "believe that swine flu
is too mild to justify taking the vaccine".

The Department of Health sought to dismiss the results, declaring that the
small number of responders to the surveys was not reflective of the
opinions of all doctors.

However, these figures also dovetail with those from a much larger Nursing
Times magazine poll, that revealed 30% of all NHS nurses said they would
refuse to be immunized, with another 33% saying they were unsure.

Of the 30% of nurses who said they would refuse to be vaccinated, 60% said
the reason was due to fears about the safety of the vaccine, following
revelations that the shots will contain mercury and squalene and have also
been linked with the killer nerve disease Guillain-Barre Syndrome. Another
31% said they would refuse the vaccine because they did not consider the
risk from swine flu to be great enough.

The government has promised to vaccinate all health workers before
Christmas at the latest, to deal with what it has described as the "second
wave" of swine flu.

The vaccine is being rushed through safety procedures while the government
has provided pharmaceutical companies with blanket immunity from lawsuits
arriving out of the vaccine causing deaths and injuries.

Richard Hoey, editor of Pulse told the Daily Mail "The view among many
doctors is that the Government hasn't yet made its case for why such a
huge vaccination programme needs to be rushed in for what seems to be an
unusually mild illness."

Yet another new study, published in the Canadian journal Emerging Health
Threats, found that the public also has grave reservations over the
forthcoming vaccination campaign.

Parents and health-care workers are reluctant to be immunized or vaccinate
their children against a pandemic virus for fear that a drug would be
brought to market with insufficient testing, reports the Globe and Mail.

The study, which used a number of focus groups to establish the likely
response of different people to a vaccine, concluded that people who
believe alternative therapies and a good diet are a better option than
vaccines need to be "won over".

It is highly disturbing that one in two doctors have concerns over the
safety of vaccines while the shots are being actively tested on members of
the public, including children.

Since it is now clear that the majority of the population will refuse to
take the vaccine, it seems that the government�s only option will be to
institute a mandatory program backed by force, or to drop plans for mass
vaccination altogether.


From: Mark Probert on
On Jan 20, 5:32 pm, PeterB - Original <p...(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 20, 2:11 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 20, 3:00 pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > In article
> > > <d4d3591c-377b-4838-a7b3-b3fc30b1e...(a)x6g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>, Mark
>
> > > Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Jan 18, 10:57=A0pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > Perhaps I would be in agreement with the enemies of vaccines if I had=
> > > >  NOT
> > > > > > > had an aunt that had Polio. As a young child, I saw what a victim of =
> > > > poli=3D
> > > > > > o
> > > > > > > had to deal with on a daily basis. I think that it is wonderful that
> > > > > > > people in this generation that have had a vaccine for polio do NOT ha=
> > > > ve t=3D
> > > > > > o
> > > > > > > be concerned with getting such a terrible disease. I doubt that any o=
> > > > f th=3D
> > > > > > e
> > > > > > > enemies of vaccines have known a family member or close friend that h=
> > > > ave
> > > > > > > had polio--otherwise, they would NOT be an enemy of vaccines. On the =
> > > > othe=3D
> > > > > > r
> > > > > > > hand, vaccines that have not been tested in the way that they should =
> > > > have
> > > > > > > been tested should not be given to anyone. I have read that they vacc=
> > > > ine
> > > > > > > for swine flu has NOT been tested in the way that vaccines should be
> > > > > > > tested and it is for that reason that none of the members of my famil=
> > > > y
> > > > > > > will be getting the vaccine for swine flu.
>
> > > > > > That is incorrect. The process is identical as to ones used in years
> > > > > > past.
>
> > > > > I conducted a quick google search for "Swine flu vaccine not properly
> > > > > tested" and found the following:
>
> > > > Snip
>
> > > > Snipo
>
> > > > Snip
>
> > > > Snip
>
> > > > Snip
>
> > > > > Swine flu vaccines are safe and time-tested, experts assert ...
> > > > > Oct 19, 2009 ... Swine flu vaccines are safe and time-tested, experts
> > > > > assert ... Hardly, and
> > > > > especially not compared with the dangers of the H1N1 flu virus. .... autho=
> > > > rities
> > > > > and others familiar with how swine flu vaccine is being made, ...http://w=
> > > > ww.chicagotribune.com/health/chi-flu-vaccine-making-19-oct19,...
> > > > > - 141k - Cached - Similar pages
> > > > Snip
>
> > > > I removed everything that is from either a known anti-vaccination
> > > > source, e.g. Age of Autism Cesspoop, a newspaper that had consistently
> > > > demonstrated utter credulousness when propagating the Wakefield
> > > > fiasco, etc.
>
> > > > What I left supports my comment.
>
> > > > Now, please come back with something that is factual.
>
> > > If you choose to take a vaccine that has NOT been properly tested, please do so.-
>
> > Since you do not believe the reality that vaccines have been properly
> > tested, please avoid them.
>
> Your refusal to cite any proof supporting your claims using the excuse
> that I would discredit it just proves you have no proof.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/f569f86c8ed22f4e
>
>
>
> > Please allow Darwin to do his deed, and PLEASE, do not propagate your
> > seed until after Darwin has taken care of you.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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