From: Jan Drew on
On Jan 18, 10:03�pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 18, 10:57�pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > Perhaps I would be in agreement with the enemies of vaccines if I had NOT
> > > > had an aunt that had Polio. As a young child, I saw what a victim of poli=
> > > o
> > > > had to deal with on a daily basis. I think that it is wonderful that
> > > > people in this generation that have had a vaccine for polio do NOT have t=
> > > o
> > > > be concerned with getting such a terrible disease. I doubt that any of th=
> > > e
> > > > enemies of vaccines have known a family member or close friend that have
> > > > had polio--otherwise, they would NOT be an enemy of vaccines. On the othe=
> > > r
> > > > hand, vaccines that have not been tested in the way that they should have
> > > > been tested should not be given to anyone. I have read that they vaccine
> > > > for swine flu has NOT been tested in the way that vaccines should be
> > > > tested and it is for that reason that none of the members of my family
> > > > will be getting the vaccine for swine flu.
>
> > > That is incorrect. The process is identical as to ones used in years
> > > past.
>
> > I conducted a quick google search for "Swine flu vaccine not properly
> > tested" and found the following:
>
> Snip
>
> Snipo
>
> Snip
>
> Snip
>
> Snip

Mark S Probert snips because he has no proof.
>
> > Swine flu vaccines are safe and time-tested, experts assert ...
> > Oct 19, 2009 ... Swine flu vaccines are safe and time-tested, experts
> > assert ... Hardly, and
> > especially not compared with the dangers of the H1N1 flu virus. ... authorities
> > and others familiar with how swine flu vaccine is being made, ...http://www.chicagotribune.com/health/chi-flu-vaccine-making-19-oct19,...
> > - 141k - Cached - Similar pages

I can't seem to find the page you wanted.
>
> Snip
>
> I removed everything that is from either a known anti-vaccination
> source, e.g. Age of Autism Cesspoop, a newspaper that had consistently
> demonstrated utter credulousness when propagating the Wakefield
> fiasco, etc.
>
> What I left supports my comment.
>
> Now, please come back with something that is factual.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

What you snip I restore.

And Age of Ausitm is NOT Cesspoop.

I conducted a quick google search for "Swine flu vaccine not properly
tested" and found the following:

Swine flu vaccine has not been tested.
Aug 7, 2009 ... Neither will the possible side effects be known on
pregnant women or young
children as Dr Marie Paul Kieny, director of vaccine research at ...
http://windfarms.wordpress.com/2009/08/07/swine-flu-vaccine-has-not-b...
- 43k - Cached - Similar pages


Half of GPs refuse swine flu vaccine over testing fears | Mail Online
Aug 25, 2009 ... Up to half of family doctors do not want to be
vaccinated
against swine flu
because they believe the jab has not been tested enough.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1208716/Half-GPs-refuse-swine...
- Similar pages


Swine flu vaccine will not be fully tested before use - mirror.co.uk
Jul 23, 2009 ... Desperate health chiefs are to start handing out the
new
swine flu vaccine
before full human trials are carried out.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/07/23/guinea-piggies-11...
- 106k - Cached - Similar pages


To vaccinate or not? Some wary on H1N1 choice - CNN.com
Oct 9, 2009 ... "Be knowledgeable, though, that the H1N1 swine flu
vaccine
is ... the swine flu
vaccine because she believes it has not been tested enough. ...
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/10/09/h1n1.vaccine.skepticism/ - 81k -
Cached - Similar pages


Health Officials Admit Fast Tracked H1N1 Vaccines Will Not Be
Tested....
They scared people to death over no deaths or even confirmed swine flu
cases,
then gave them a vaccine which was not tested for safety (they tested
another
....
http://www.infowars.com/health-officials-admit-fast-tracked-h1n1-vacc...
- 140k - Cached - Similar pages


Swine flu vaccines are safe and time-tested, experts assert ...
Oct 19, 2009 ... Swine flu vaccines are safe and time-tested, experts
assert ... Hardly, and
especially not compared with the dangers of the H1N1 flu virus. ...
authorities
and others familiar with how swine flu vaccine is being made, ...
http://www.chicagotribune.com/health/chi-flu-vaccine-making-19-oct19,...
- 141k - Cached - Similar pages


First Swine Flu Shots Will Not Be Safety Tested - AGE OF AUTISM
By Ginger Taylor On Friday, the National Biodefense Science Board met
in
emergency session to work on issues surrounding the H1N1 flu
pandemic.
http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/07/first-swine-flu-shots-will-not-be-...
- 74k - Cached - Similar pages

From: Peter B on

"PeterB - Original" <pkm(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote in message
news:e9d433d0-009a-4b17-b379-a4ede5d5845d(a)k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 18, 12:45 am, "Peter B" <origin...(a)frag.com> wrote:
> "PeterB - Original" <p...(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote in
> messagenews:dd3828c3-a6cd-4299-acef-686110223520(a)c34g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>
> > The Truth About Vaccine as a Life-Saving "Medicine"
>
> By the reasoning you have chosen to follow, without scientific facits
> I
> might add, we should then ignore everyone in the AIDS community.

We are already ignoring them by ascribing to HIV a disease (AIDS) for
which it is simply another opportunistic infection.
===================================================
So Homopathetics are on the avante garde and ignoring them already?

> Let
> them die off, watch the cases disappear and say, "see? We don't need
> no
> stinking vaccinations"

What you know about vaccine could be fit into a thimble with enough
room left over for a mac truck. You proved that by your inability to
cite a single study proving your bogus claims.
==================================================
repetitive bogus jibbery

> We should also stop trying to develope vaccinations for cancers that
> are
> virus driven and let them all die off also.

Do point to any data in the medical literature showing a real decrease
in population-level rates of cancer resulting from use of vaccines.
I'll wait.
=================================================
If you reread what I wrote then you just might understand why I call you
stupid and ignorant at times like this.
Stupid, Reread what I wrote.


> We should also allow you and others to tout your anti-vac propaganda
> only after you have written/signed a document denying any all medical
> care for you and all your family in close contact with you in the
> event
> they get the flu, virus activated disease, whatever. That way if you
> cause the death of another because of your beliefs then you and yours
> will be subjected to the same thing.

Your belief in "herd immunity" is touching. Let us know when you find
any proof of it.
=================================================
And that comment has to do with what?

> There is currently an upsurge in old diseases due to the influx of
> illegal aliens to America, as well as high traffic across borders.
> Simple things like riding public transit systems will subject you to
> diseases all but eradicted from the USA.

You make the false assumption that exposure is equal to infection just
as you assume inoculation is equal to immunity. Our response to
infection is spectral because individual biochemistry, genetics, and
health are variable. Vaccine can not, and does not, predictably
compensate for natural immunity that is less than optimal.
=================================================
Well, Stupid, that had absolutely zero to do with what I wrote above.


> You can wash your hands and
> take showers frequently but that will not prevent you from getting
> polio, tuberculosis and other such diseases.

Nor will vaccine do so predictably or safely, as tens of thousands
have learned.
================================================
Only Stupid people such as yourself would draw such a conclusion. I
won't even bother pointing to proof since you will ignore it choosing
rather to be stupid and follow the pathetic way of life. Let me point
out to you that all homopathetics die, and most die sooner than later.


> Please enjoy your remaining life.

I will.
===============================================
Good, there isn't much left if you are honest.


From: PeterB - Original on
On Jan 20, 1:12 am, "Peter B" <origin...(a)frag.com> wrote:
> "PeterB - Original" <p...(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote in messagenews:e9d433d0-009a-4b17-b379-a4ede5d5845d(a)k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 18, 12:45 am, "Peter B" <origin...(a)frag.com> wrote:
>
> > "PeterB - Original" <p...(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote in
> > messagenews:dd3828c3-a6cd-4299-acef-686110223520(a)c34g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > The Truth About Vaccine as a Life-Saving "Medicine"
>
> > By the reasoning you have chosen to follow, without scientific facits
> > I
> > might add, we should then ignore everyone in the AIDS community.
>
> We are already ignoring them by ascribing to HIV a disease (AIDS) for
> which it is simply another opportunistic infection.
> ===================================================
> So Homopathetics are on the avante garde and ignoring them already?

Sorry, I don't recognize that reference. If you want to be addressed
like an adult, learn to act like one.

> > Let them die off, watch the cases disappear and say, "see? We don't need
> > no stinking vaccinations"
>
> What you know about vaccine could be fit into a thimble with enough
> room left over for a mac truck. You proved that by your inability to
> cite a single study proving your bogus claims.
> ==================================================
> repetitive bogus jibbery

No, I'm pointing out that your beliefs are based on fallacy.

> > We should also stop trying to develope vaccinations for cancers that
> > are virus driven and let them all die off also.
>
> Do point to any data in the medical literature showing a real decrease
> in population-level rates of cancer resulting from use of vaccines.
> I'll wait.
> =================================================
> If you reread what I wrote then you just might understand why I call you
> stupid and ignorant at times like this.

Meaning you cannot cite any such data, so again your support of
unproven "interventions" is just noise.

> Stupid, Reread what I wrote.
>
> > We should also allow you and others to tout your anti-vac propaganda
> > only after you have written/signed a document denying any all medical
> > care for you and all your family in close contact with you in the event
> > they get the flu, virus activated disease, whatever. That way if you
> > cause the death of another because of your beliefs then you and yours
> > will be subjected to the same thing.
>
> Your belief in "herd immunity" is touching. Let us know when you find
> any proof of it.
> =================================================
> And that comment has to do with what?

Your unproven PRO-VAC claims.

> > There is currently an upsurge in old diseases due to the influx of
> > illegal aliens to America, as well as high traffic across borders.
> > Simple things like riding public transit systems will subject you to
> > diseases all but eradicted from the USA.
>
> You make the false assumption that exposure is equal to infection just
> as you assume inoculation is equal to immunity. Our response to
> infection is spectral because individual biochemistry, genetics, and
> health are variable. Vaccine can not, and does not, predictably
> compensate for natural immunity that is less than optimal.
> =================================================
> Well, Stupid, that had absolutely zero to do with what I wrote above.

You said there is an "upsurge in old diseases due to the influx of
illegal aliens to America..." If not vaccine, what intervention do
you suggest?

> > You can wash your hands and
> > take showers frequently but that will not prevent you from getting
> > polio, tuberculosis and other such diseases.
>
> Nor will vaccine do so predictably or safely, as tens of thousands
> have learned.
> ================================================
> Only Stupid people such as yourself would draw such a conclusion.

Yet when challenged to defend your belief that vaccines are effective
and safe using citable examples of published science, you run away.
Typical pharmnut loon behavior.

> I won't even bother pointing to proof since you will ignore it choosing
> rather to be stupid and follow the pathetic way of life.

You won't bother pointing to proof because there isn't any to point
to, otherwise you would.
From: Jason on
In article
<d4d3591c-377b-4838-a7b3-b3fc30b1ea67(a)x6g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>, Mark
Probert <mark.probert(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jan 18, 10:57=A0pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > Perhaps I would be in agreement with the enemies of vaccines if I had=
> NOT
> > > > had an aunt that had Polio. As a young child, I saw what a victim of =
> poli=3D
> > > o
> > > > had to deal with on a daily basis. I think that it is wonderful that
> > > > people in this generation that have had a vaccine for polio do NOT ha=
> ve t=3D
> > > o
> > > > be concerned with getting such a terrible disease. I doubt that any o=
> f th=3D
> > > e
> > > > enemies of vaccines have known a family member or close friend that h=
> ave
> > > > had polio--otherwise, they would NOT be an enemy of vaccines. On the =
> othe=3D
> > > r
> > > > hand, vaccines that have not been tested in the way that they should =
> have
> > > > been tested should not be given to anyone. I have read that they vacc=
> ine
> > > > for swine flu has NOT been tested in the way that vaccines should be
> > > > tested and it is for that reason that none of the members of my famil=
> y
> > > > will be getting the vaccine for swine flu.
> >
> > > That is incorrect. The process is identical as to ones used in years
> > > past.
> >
> > I conducted a quick google search for "Swine flu vaccine not properly
> > tested" and found the following:
> >
> Snip
> >
> Snipo
> >
>
> Snip
> >
> Snip
> >
> Snip
> >
> > Swine flu vaccines are safe and time-tested, experts assert ...
> > Oct 19, 2009 ... Swine flu vaccines are safe and time-tested, experts
> > assert ... Hardly, and
> > especially not compared with the dangers of the H1N1 flu virus. ... autho=
> rities
> > and others familiar with how swine flu vaccine is being made, ...http://w=
> ww.chicagotribune.com/health/chi-flu-vaccine-making-19-oct19,...
> > - 141k - Cached - Similar pages
> Snip
>
> I removed everything that is from either a known anti-vaccination
> source, e.g. Age of Autism Cesspoop, a newspaper that had consistently
> demonstrated utter credulousness when propagating the Wakefield
> fiasco, etc.
>
> What I left supports my comment.
>
> Now, please come back with something that is factual.

If you choose to take a vaccine that has NOT been properly tested, please do so.


From: Mark Probert on
On Jan 20, 3:00 pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article
> <d4d3591c-377b-4838-a7b3-b3fc30b1e...(a)x6g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>, Mark
>
>
>
>
>
> Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 18, 10:57=A0pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > Perhaps I would be in agreement with the enemies of vaccines if I had=
> >  NOT
> > > > > had an aunt that had Polio. As a young child, I saw what a victim of =
> > poli=3D
> > > > o
> > > > > had to deal with on a daily basis. I think that it is wonderful that
> > > > > people in this generation that have had a vaccine for polio do NOT ha=
> > ve t=3D
> > > > o
> > > > > be concerned with getting such a terrible disease. I doubt that any o=
> > f th=3D
> > > > e
> > > > > enemies of vaccines have known a family member or close friend that h=
> > ave
> > > > > had polio--otherwise, they would NOT be an enemy of vaccines. On the =
> > othe=3D
> > > > r
> > > > > hand, vaccines that have not been tested in the way that they should =
> > have
> > > > > been tested should not be given to anyone. I have read that they vacc=
> > ine
> > > > > for swine flu has NOT been tested in the way that vaccines should be
> > > > > tested and it is for that reason that none of the members of my famil=
> > y
> > > > > will be getting the vaccine for swine flu.
>
> > > > That is incorrect. The process is identical as to ones used in years
> > > > past.
>
> > > I conducted a quick google search for "Swine flu vaccine not properly
> > > tested" and found the following:
>
> > Snip
>
> > Snipo
>
> > Snip
>
> > Snip
>
> > Snip
>
> > > Swine flu vaccines are safe and time-tested, experts assert ...
> > > Oct 19, 2009 ... Swine flu vaccines are safe and time-tested, experts
> > > assert ... Hardly, and
> > > especially not compared with the dangers of the H1N1 flu virus. ... autho=
> > rities
> > > and others familiar with how swine flu vaccine is being made, ...http://w=
> > ww.chicagotribune.com/health/chi-flu-vaccine-making-19-oct19,...
> > > - 141k - Cached - Similar pages
> > Snip
>
> > I removed everything that is from either a known anti-vaccination
> > source, e.g. Age of Autism Cesspoop, a newspaper that had consistently
> > demonstrated utter credulousness when propagating the Wakefield
> > fiasco, etc.
>
> > What I left supports my comment.
>
> > Now, please come back with something that is factual.
>
> If you choose to take a vaccine that has NOT been properly tested, please do so.-

Since you do not believe the reality that vaccines have been properly
tested, please avoid them.

Please allow Darwin to do his deed, and PLEASE, do not propagate your
seed until after Darwin has taken care of you.

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