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From: Phoenix Rising on 15 Sep 2008 21:49
Mat 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

Even today this prophetic statement rings true.

Act 23:6 Now Sha’ul, perceiving that one part were Sadducees and the
other Pharisees, cried out in the council, “Men, brothers, I am a
Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee…

How do Christians reconcile this passage of scriptures? If Paul was
"inspired" by the "Holy Spirit" then either he told the truth and his
IS a Pharisee by his own testimony or a liar. Does the "Holy Spirit"
grant that an Apostle be allowed to lie?

Rom 3:7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie
unto his glory…

A lie is still a lie. The problem that I personally see with the
teachings of Paul vs the Messiah is that while the Messiah taught us
not to judge one another, everything I read in Paul is judgmental and
a Pharisee.

A clear example of how Paul is still preaching as a Pharisee is seen
here:

Mat 9:10 And it came to be, as יהושע sat at the table in the house,
that see, many tax collectors and sinners came and sat down with Him
and His taught ones.
Mat 9:11 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to His taught ones,
“Why does your Teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”

1Co 5:11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with
anyone
called ‘a brother,’ if he is one who whores, or greedy of gain, or an
idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler – not even to
eat
with such a one.

Mat 9:12 And יהושע hearing this, said to them, “Those who are strong
have no need of a physician, but those who are sick.
Mat 9:13 “But go and learn what this means, ‘I desire compassion and
not offering.’ For I did not come to call the righteous to
repentance,
but sinners.”

When we put the teachings side by side, it’s clear to all except the
many “Christian Pharisee’s” in the world today that are a student of
this Pharisee. What does our heavenly Father tell us in his Torah?
Let’s break it down, First we know:

Deu 4:2 “Do not add to the Word which I command you, and do not take
away from it1, so as to guard the commands of יהוה your Elohim which I
am commanding you.

We are not to add or take away from the Torah. This specifically
means the book of Deuteronomy, not the entire collection of books
known as the bible. We can be assured of that here:

Deu 4:8 “And what great nation is there that has such laws and
righteous right-rulings like all this Torah which I set before you
this day?

Since Paul wasn’t written until thousands of years later, we know the
two are not connected in the command so continue with me please:

Deu 4:9 “Only, guard yourself, and guard your life diligently, lest
you forget the Words your eyes have seen, and lest they turn aside
from your heart all the days of your life. And you shall make them
known to your children and your grandchildren.

How many Christians have forgotten the words of this book? We carry
it around day and night and yet, most don’t know or care what it says
and treat it with disregard as if it’s something written only for that
tribe in the wilderness.

Exo 12:49 “There is one Torah for the native-born and for the stranger
who sojourns among you.”

So, if you consider yourself a person serving our Father, that one
Torah is for you too. Now what is the “Law of Moses” as Christians
call it? You see, most people want to say that it is 613 laws that no
one is able to keep but what does the Torah say?

Deu 4:13 “And He made known to you His covenant which He commanded you
to do, the Ten Words, and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

The TEN COMMANDMENTS are the covenant! So, Just like the Messiah
preached, if you want to enter into life, guard the commandments! How
simple is that? The sign of the “Church of the Dragon” is the church
that has bitterly fought against the 10 commandments. THE CHRISTIAN
CHURCH! Every pastor that preaches against the Sabbath is unknowingly
or willingly a part of the false church!

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to
fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the commands of
Elohim and possessing the witness of יהושע Messiah..

YOU my dear reader may be a part of that very church. It is a bitter
pill to think that all these years, we have been the false church. I
do not tell you this to accuse you but to inform you. Who will be
saved?

Rev 14:12 Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones,1 here are those
guarding the commands of Elohim and the belief of יהושע.

Those who guard the commandments are the ones set apart for our
heavenly father. The only reason that the church of the dragon
refuses to accept the truth is over ONE issue, THE SABBATH. For at
least a thousand years Rome has dictated to you what is scriptures and
told you what you are to consider, “the way of יהוה” but you do not
even know his name and probably call him “GOD” or “LORD GOD
ALMIGHTY”. But that was not the name given to him and for thousands
of years, we have not had access to the truth.

A common cry of the “Church of the Dragon” is that it has been this
way for 2000 years but that’s not true either. The scriptures were not
even canonized until 321 by anti-Semites at the Council of Nicaea.
Then for another thousand years people were either not taught to read
or the words were dictated from pulpits in church’s. Emperor
Constantine made sure that pagan Easter, Christmas and the Day of the
Sun were “harmonized” into scriptures and burned or destroyed many
books that were being distributed that didn’t suite his doctrine.

In 1440, German inventor Johannes Gutenberg invented a printing press
and the Gutenberg bible was distributed.
It was not lawful for people to even read the scriptures for
themselves. These bibles were distributed to Church’s with Germanic
names, which is where “God” comes from.

Then 1611 and King James came along and further edited the scriptures,
changing all the names and removing words like “Sabbath” at key
locations in scriptures to fit his false doctrine. Examining Greek
text, we find that the word “Sabbath” is removed in many locations
after the resurrection.

(Mar 16:2) (Mar 16:9) (Luk 18:12) (Luk 24:1) (Joh 20:1) (Joh 20:19)
(Act 20:7) (1Co 16:2) (Heb 4:9)

So again we see that the words of scriptures were altered and removed
by scribes and translators. The prophet Jeremiah knew this and
penned:

Jer 8:7 “Even a stork in the heavens knows her appointed times. And a
turtledove, and a swallow, and a thrush observe the time of their
coming. But My people do not know the right-ruling of יהוה.
Jer 8:8 “How do you say, ‘We are wise, and the Torah of יהוה is with
us’? But look, the false pen of the scribe has worked falsehood.
Jer 8:9 “The wise shall be put to shame, they shall be broken down and
caught. See, they have rejected the Word of יהוה, so what wisdom do
they have?
Jer 8:10 “Therefore I give their wives to others, and their fields to
possessing ones. For from the least even to the greatest, they are all
greedy for gain. From the prophet to the priest, all act falsely.


So then people had Germanic bibles from Greek translated to English in
the KJV and this is what was brought to the Americas. The fact is, it
has not been since the invention of the internet and the distribution
of E-Sword and other bible software, which people have had access to
what is written. The history… has hidden the truth for a thousand
years. Until we all had computers that could search key words and
free access to the information that has been obscured in foreign
languages, we simply did not know.

NOW we know the truth so what does the Torah say?

Deu 4:23 “Guard yourselves, lest you forget the covenant of יהוה your
Elohim which He made with you, and shall make for yourselves a carved
image in the form of whatever יהוה your Elohim has forbidden you.

It’s too late for that, even the modern day English speaking “Jews”
speak of the Germanic name in scriptures.

Deu 4:28 “And there you shall serve mighty ones, the work of men’s
hands, wood and stone, which neither see nor hear nor eat nor smell.

Christians bow before crosses and statues all the time.
Deu 4:29 “But from there you shall seek יהוה your Elohim, and shall
find, when you search for Him with all your heart1 and with all your
being. Footnote: 1Jer. 29:13.

When will we find the truth? When we search for him, with ALL our
heart and all our being. So the truth isn’t something that is readily
available, we must search for it. It’s not just a gift that’s tossed
around, we must pray for it and search for it.

Deu 4:30 “In your distress, when all these words shall come upon you
in the latter days, then you shall return to יהוה your Elohim and
shall obey His voice.

Or so we hope you will but many of the Church of the Dragon will war
against my words.

Deu 11:26 ‘See, I am setting before you today a blessing and a curse:
Deu 11:27 the blessing, when you obey the commands of יהוה your Elohim
which I command you today;
Deu 11:28 and the curse, if you do not obey the commands of יהוה your
Elohim, but turn aside from the way which I command you today, to go
after other mighty ones which you have not known.

Read carefully the curse, it say that if you do not obey the Ten
commandments, you are cursed. Now let’s examine what brother Paul
said:

Gal 3:10 For as many as are of works of Torah are under the curse, for
it has been written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all
that has been written in the book of the Torah, to do them.”

Now the closest to this is here:

Deu 27:26 ‘Cursed is he who does not establish the Words of this
Torah.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amĕn!’

Can you see where he added to the Torah? It does not say “all that
has been written”. What many consider to be a apostle of Christ ADDED
to the words of the Torah. The curse was if you DO NOT OBEY the
COMMANDMENTS.

That being said, is enough for me to recognize that Paul was in fact a
false apostle. I challenge any reader to find the words written by
apostle Paul in the Torah.

1Co 5:3 For I indeed, as absent in body but present in spirit, have
already judged the one who did this, as though I were present.
1Co 5:12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not
judge those who are inside?

Mat 7:1 “Do not judge, lest you be judged.

1Co 6:1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law
before the unjust, and not before the saints?

In the book of Acts He is asked if he will go before Jerusalem to be
judged in the temple. Did he practice what he preached? Note: At
the
time, Nero was Caesar.

Act 25:9 But Festus, willing to do the Jews a pleasure, answered
Paul, and said, Wilt thou go up to Jerusalem, and there be judged of
these things before me?

So he's asked if he will "go before the saints".

Act 25:10 Then said Paul, I stand at Caesar's judgment seat, where I
ought to be judged: to the Jews have I done no wrong, as thou very
well knowest.

We can clearly see that he didn't go back to Jerusalem. What happened
to his earlier account? He said,

Act 21:13 Then Paul answered, What mean ye to weep and to break mine
heart? for I am ready not to be bound only, but also to die at
Jerusalem for the name of the Lord Jesus.

It's historically recorded that he died in Rome and so we see this is
a false statement also!

Mar 8:15 And He was warning them, saying, “Mind! Beware of the leaven
of the Pharisees and of the leaven of Herodes.”

Act 13:1 And in the assembly that was at Antioch ... with Herodes
the
district ruler, and Sha’ul.

Mat 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe
and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

How long will people ignore Paul's own testimony?

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Come post a message please, I'd love to hear from you. While this is
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Shalom,
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A Worldwide Sabbath practicing Church. Remember rejecting Paul isn't
the sign of the true church, guarding the Sabbath is!

Exo 31:13 “And you, speak to the children of Yisra’ĕl, saying, ‘My
Sabbaths you are to guard, by all means, for it is a sign1 between Me
and you throughout your generations, to know that I, יהוה, am setting
you apart. Footnote: 1The only sign of יהוה setting us apart, the only
sign of the everlasting covenant, is His Sabbaths, one of them being
the seventh day Sabbath. This is repeated in Ezek. 20:12 & 20.

A man who was completely innocent, offered himself as a sacrifice for
the good of others, including his enemies, and became the ransom of
the world. It was a perfect act.
Mohandas Gandhi

A nation or civilization that continues to produce soft-minded men
purchases its own spiritual death on the installment plan.
Martin Luther King, Jr.


From: john McCoy on 15 Sep 2008 23:20
Does the dragon have diabetes?

John
From: guardian Snow on 15 Sep 2008 23:34
On Sep 16, 1:20 pm, john McCoy <johnniemc...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> Does the dragon have diabetes?
>
> John

Deu 11:8 “And you shall guard every command which I command you today,
so that you are strong, and shall go in, and shall possess the land
which you are passing over to possess,
Deu 11:9 and to prolong your days in the land which יהוה swore to give
your fathers, to them and their descendants, a land flowing with milk
and honey.

Deu 30:6 “And יהוה your Elohim shall circumcise your heart and the
heart of your seed, to love יהוה your Elohim with all your heart and
with all your being, so that you might live,

Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)

Beliefs have the power to create and the power to destroy. Human
beings have the awesome ability to take any experience of their lives
and create a meaning that disempowers them or one that can literally
save their lives.
Tony Robbins
From: john McCoy on 15 Sep 2008 23:52
guardian Snow wrote:
> On Sep 16, 1:20� pm, john McCoy <johnniemc...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Does the dragon have diabetes?
>>
>> John
>
> Deu 11:8 “And you shall guard every command which I command ...blah, blah, assorted religious bullcrap...
>
>

However, I really like the following:

> Beliefs have the power to create and the power to destroy. Human
> beings have the awesome ability to take any experience of their lives
> and create a meaning that disempowers them or one that can literally
> save their lives.
> Tony Robbins
>
John
From: guardian Snow on 16 Sep 2008 03:00
On Sep 16, 1:52 pm, john McCoy <johnniemc...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:

> > Beliefs have the power to create and the power to destroy. Human
> > beings have the awesome ability to take any experience of their lives
> > and create a meaning that disempowers them or one that can literally
> > save their lives.
> > Tony Robbins

I'm glad I could be of some help to you. Here's another quote from
Tony:

If you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always
gotten. In life you need either inspiration or desperation.
Surmounting difficulty is the crucible that forms character. You
always succeed in producing a result.

Using the power of decision gives you the capacity to get past any
excuse to change any and every part of your life in an instant.

You see, it's never the environment; it's never the events of our
lives, but the meaning we attach to the events - how we interpret them
- that shapes who we are today and who we'll become tomorrow. We will
act consistently with our view of who we truly are, whether that view
is accurate or not.

Want to learn to eat a lot? Here it is: Eat a little. That way, you
will be around long enough to eat a lot.
Tony Robbins

I'm sorry if I bothered you. I hope and pray that you get better
soon.
-------------------------------------------------------

Conflict cannot survive without your participation. Everything you are
against weakens you. Everything you are for empowers you. If you
change the way you look at things, the things you look at change.

People who want the most approval get the least and people who need
approval the least get the most. Simply put, you believe that things
or people make you unhappy, but this is not accurate. You make
yourself unhappy. The components of anxiety, stress, fear, and anger
do not exist independently of you in the world. They simply do not
exist in the physical world, even though we talk about them as if they
do.
Wayne Dyer

With respect,

Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)

If you listen to your fears, you will die never knowing what a great
person you might have been. It takes but one positive thought when
given a chance to survive and thrive to overpower an entire army of
negative thoughts.
Robert H. Schuller

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