The Age of Autism: 'Amish bill' introduced
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From: john on 29 Jul 2006 16:52 http://www.upi.com/ConsumerHealthDaily/view.php?StoryID=20060728-111605-3532r "I have not seen autism with the Amish," said Dr. Frank Noonan, a family practitioner in Lancaster County, Pa., who has treated thousands of Amish for a quarter-century. "You'll find all the other stuff, but we don't find the autism. We're right in the heart of Amish country and seeing none, and that's just the way it is." In Chicago, Homefirst Medical Services treats thousands of never-vaccinated children whose parents received exemptions through Illinois' relatively permissive immunization policy. Homefirst's medical director, Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, told us he is not aware of any cases of autism in never-vaccinated children; the national rate is 1 in 175, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. "We have a fairly large practice," Eisenstein told us. "We have about 30,000 or 35,000 children that we've taken care of over the years, and I don't think we have a single case of autism in children delivered by us who never received vaccines. "We do have enough of a sample," Eisenstein said. "The numbers are too large to not see it. We would absolutely know. We're all family doctors. If I have a child with autism come in, there's no communication. It's frightening. You can't touch them. It's not something that anyone would miss." Dr. Jeff Bradstreet, a Florida family practitioner with ties to families who homeschool their children for religious reasons, told Age of Autism he has proposed such a study in that group. "I said I know I can tap into this community and find you large numbers of unvaccinated homeschooled," said Bradstreet, "and we can do simple prevalence and incidence studies in them, and my gut reaction is that you're going to see no autism in this group."
From: Nina Pretty Ballerina on 29 Jul 2006 21:00 "john" <sc(a)nospam.com> wrote in message news:2_ednbz2sYgWV1bZRVny3g(a)bt.com... > http://www.upi.com/ConsumerHealthDaily/view.php?StoryID=20060728-111605-3532r > > > "I have not seen autism with the Amish," said Dr. Frank Noonan, a family > practitioner in Lancaster County, Pa., who has treated thousands of Amish > for a quarter-century. > "You'll find all the other stuff, but we don't find the autism. We're > right in the heart of Amish country and seeing none, and that's just the > way it is." > > > In Chicago, Homefirst Medical Services treats thousands of > never-vaccinated children whose parents received exemptions through > Illinois' relatively permissive immunization policy. Homefirst's medical > director, Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, told us he is not aware of any cases of > autism in never-vaccinated children; the national rate is 1 in 175, > according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. > "We have a fairly large practice," Eisenstein told us. "We have about > 30,000 or 35,000 children that we've taken care of over the years, and I > don't think we have a single case of autism in children delivered by us > who never received vaccines. > "We do have enough of a sample," Eisenstein said. "The numbers are too > large to not see it. We would absolutely know. We're all family doctors. > If I have a child with autism come in, there's no communication. It's > frightening. You can't touch them. It's not something that anyone would > miss." > > > Dr. Jeff Bradstreet, a Florida family practitioner with ties to families > who homeschool their children for religious reasons, told Age of Autism he > has proposed such a study in that group. > "I said I know I can tap into this community and find you large numbers of > unvaccinated homeschooled," said Bradstreet, "and we can do simple > prevalence and incidence studies in them, and my gut reaction is that > you're going to see no autism in this group." > > i hope the amish people dont get a nasty does of whooping cough throuigh their community. Or something nastier chris
From: Jason Johnson on 29 Jul 2006 21:19 In article <44cc0490$0$22385$afc38c87(a)news.optusnet.com.au>, "Nina Pretty Ballerina" <abba(a)arrival.com> wrote: "john" <sc(a)nospam.com> wrote in message news:2_ednbz2sYgWV1bZRVny3g(a)bt.com... > http://www.upi.com/ConsumerHealthDaily/view.php?StoryID=20060728-111605-3532r > > > "I have not seen autism with the Amish," said Dr. Frank Noonan, a family > practitioner in Lancaster County, Pa., who has treated thousands of Amish > for a quarter-century. > "You'll find all the other stuff, but we don't find the autism. We're > right in the heart of Amish country and seeing none, and that's just the > way it is." > > > In Chicago, Homefirst Medical Services treats thousands of > never-vaccinated children whose parents received exemptions through > Illinois' relatively permissive immunization policy. Homefirst's medical > director, Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, told us he is not aware of any cases of > autism in never-vaccinated children; the national rate is 1 in 175, > according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. > "We have a fairly large practice," Eisenstein told us. "We have about > 30,000 or 35,000 children that we've taken care of over the years, and I > don't think we have a single case of autism in children delivered by us > who never received vaccines. > "We do have enough of a sample," Eisenstein said. "The numbers are too > large to not see it. We would absolutely know. We're all family doctors. > If I have a child with autism come in, there's no communication. It's > frightening. You can't touch them. It's not something that anyone would > miss." > > > Dr. Jeff Bradstreet, a Florida family practitioner with ties to families > who homeschool their children for religious reasons, told Age of Autism he > has proposed such a study in that group. > "I said I know I can tap into this community and find you large numbers of > unvaccinated homeschooled," said Bradstreet, "and we can do simple > prevalence and incidence studies in them, and my gut reaction is that > you're going to see no autism in this group." > > i hope the amish people dont get a nasty does of whooping cough throuigh their community. Or something nastier chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ chris, An even more important question---Is the mercury in vaccines the cause of autism? Based upon the above post--what's your opinion? Jason ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: Nina Pretty Ballerina on 30 Jul 2006 00:51 "Jason Johnson" <jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message news:jason-2907061819210001(a)66-52-22-2.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <44cc0490$0$22385$afc38c87(a)news.optusnet.com.au>, "Nina Pretty > Ballerina" <abba(a)arrival.com> wrote: > > "john" <sc(a)nospam.com> wrote in message > news:2_ednbz2sYgWV1bZRVny3g(a)bt.com... > > http://www.upi.com/ConsumerHealthDaily/view.php?StoryID=20060728-111605-3532r > > > > > > "I have not seen autism with the Amish," said Dr. Frank Noonan, a family > > practitioner in Lancaster County, Pa., who has treated thousands of > > Amish > > for a quarter-century. > > "You'll find all the other stuff, but we don't find the autism. We're > > right in the heart of Amish country and seeing none, and that's just the > > way it is." > > > > > > In Chicago, Homefirst Medical Services treats thousands of > > never-vaccinated children whose parents received exemptions through > > Illinois' relatively permissive immunization policy. Homefirst's medical > > director, Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, told us he is not aware of any cases of > > autism in never-vaccinated children; the national rate is 1 in 175, > > according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. > > "We have a fairly large practice," Eisenstein told us. "We have about > > 30,000 or 35,000 children that we've taken care of over the years, and I > > don't think we have a single case of autism in children delivered by us > > who never received vaccines. > > "We do have enough of a sample," Eisenstein said. "The numbers are too > > large to not see it. We would absolutely know. We're all family doctors. > > If I have a child with autism come in, there's no communication. It's > > frightening. You can't touch them. It's not something that anyone would > > miss." > > > > > > Dr. Jeff Bradstreet, a Florida family practitioner with ties to families > > who homeschool their children for religious reasons, told Age of Autism > > he > > has proposed such a study in that group. > > "I said I know I can tap into this community and find you large numbers > > of > > unvaccinated homeschooled," said Bradstreet, "and we can do simple > > prevalence and incidence studies in them, and my gut reaction is that > > you're going to see no autism in this group." > > > > > > i hope the amish people dont get a nasty does of whooping cough throuigh > their community. Or something nastier > > chris > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > chris, > An even more important question---Is the mercury in vaccines the cause of > autism? Based upon the above post--what's your opinion? > Jason > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ my opinion, non learned though it may be, is that there are a great deal of things that the amish are not exposed to, and we non-amish are exposed to mercury in many things, so it is false to draw the conclusion that mercury and vaccines causes autism, therefore we should all not get vaccinated and then expose ourselves to a myriad of killer diseases. I do however agree, that it deserves more and more research chris
From: Jason Johnson on 30 Jul 2006 02:57
In article <44cc3ab5$0$22361$afc38c87(a)news.optusnet.com.au>, "Nina Pretty Ballerina" <abba(a)arrival.com> wrote: "Jason Johnson" <jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message news:jason-2907061819210001(a)66-52-22-2.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... > In article <44cc0490$0$22385$afc38c87(a)news.optusnet.com.au>, "Nina Pretty > Ballerina" <abba(a)arrival.com> wrote: > > "john" <sc(a)nospam.com> wrote in message > news:2_ednbz2sYgWV1bZRVny3g(a)bt.com... > > http://www.upi.com/ConsumerHealthDaily/view.php?StoryID=20060728-111605-3532r > > > > > > "I have not seen autism with the Amish," said Dr. Frank Noonan, a family > > practitioner in Lancaster County, Pa., who has treated thousands of > > Amish > > for a quarter-century. > > "You'll find all the other stuff, but we don't find the autism. We're > > right in the heart of Amish country and seeing none, and that's just the > > way it is." > > > > > > In Chicago, Homefirst Medical Services treats thousands of > > never-vaccinated children whose parents received exemptions through > > Illinois' relatively permissive immunization policy. Homefirst's medical > > director, Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, told us he is not aware of any cases of > > autism in never-vaccinated children; the national rate is 1 in 175, > > according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. > > "We have a fairly large practice," Eisenstein told us. "We have about > > 30,000 or 35,000 children that we've taken care of over the years, and I > > don't think we have a single case of autism in children delivered by us > > who never received vaccines. > > "We do have enough of a sample," Eisenstein said. "The numbers are too > > large to not see it. We would absolutely know. We're all family doctors. > > If I have a child with autism come in, there's no communication. It's > > frightening. You can't touch them. It's not something that anyone would > > miss." > > > > > > Dr. Jeff Bradstreet, a Florida family practitioner with ties to families > > who homeschool their children for religious reasons, told Age of Autism > > he > > has proposed such a study in that group. > > "I said I know I can tap into this community and find you large numbers > > of > > unvaccinated homeschooled," said Bradstreet, "and we can do simple > > prevalence and incidence studies in them, and my gut reaction is that > > you're going to see no autism in this group." > > > > > > i hope the amish people dont get a nasty does of whooping cough throuigh > their community. Or something nastier > > chris > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > chris, > An even more important question---Is the mercury in vaccines the cause of > autism? Based upon the above post--what's your opinion? > Jason > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ my opinion, non learned though it may be, is that there are a great deal of things that the amish are not exposed to, and we non-amish are exposed to mercury in many things, so it is false to draw the conclusion that mercury and vaccines causes autism, therefore we should all not get vaccinated and then expose ourselves to a myriad of killer diseases. I do however agree, that it deserves more and more research chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ chris, Believe it or not, I agree that all children should be vaccinated. However, I do not believe that vaccines should NOT have any known poisons such as mercury or aluminum. I also agree that more research needs to be done to determine whether or not mercury causes autism. Jason ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |