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From: Eleonore Beaudoin on 19 Oct 2005 06:29 It took five.... But I barely can feel the congestion in the entire neck and head and headache is dulled out.... I even danced making my second coffee on a tune I always thought of is just thw worst type of music one coudl ever have to try and dance one (Without love, wheere woudl you be nah nah nha now) Titan had her forst feed. ant to try an give her a bit more before I leave given that I will be very very late for her supper wiht going for supper and theater after work.... And now t try and be nice ith my feet....Since cold er days and having to wear closed shoes, my poor toes hurt bad.... Darned be havign sensitive feet nd living in a cold country! I'd wear sandals all year round!!! In fact, I'd prefer closed shoes if some were made tat did not hurt anywhere.... Hm[pf, I still fel the pain in them bones even through the tylenols for the shoulders and entire back. I need a good massage with some strogn stuff to make the muscles warm up from inside.... Or maybe I just need the touch and energy exchange of another human being.... Oh well.... Still waiting for him to be born:):) On the good signs, my eyes seem much better nd my face is getting to slowly heal some bit.... Pressure in the ears is elss but now is in the throat itself, feeling like a strange body again caught between my ear and throat....Making me caugh very often, til I am exausted, and then some mkore....where I justc an not even caugh properly anymore so exausted it gets me to cough all the time. Strange body feelign seems alays linked to eprfumes or citrus around me, where the bad feelign stays for days....Never have time to get much over it that some new Miss Disco Perfume or Mr Disco Aftershave walks by.... Lord, weekend looks so far away!!!! Come tomorrow morning so I can count down... Oh, may the body not ache this coming weekend, too much to fit in one weekend even for the bare essential clean up before the laundry machines get in the Friday after.... Man, what a bad body ache stretch this will have been. Really hurting all over, muscular flu sort of thing, since August now, even last days of July.... It s back also to the head cogestion, like that September where I had fever with that that felt "only in the head"...Now it is like this stiffness and ache, no fever, but no longer only in the neck and head anymore. Entire torso, and the limbs are as exuatsed as the entire body is, muscles way too easily hurting under the very slightest effort or the simplest usual movements like walking, sitting, even.... Mpft.... Ae we there yet? Only October 19...About 3 more weeks to go then to make it to the end of the 100 days... It just feels like I seriously need two weeks off..... Oh well. Where was I? Oh yeah, trying to go help the footsies with a nice long burnign hot soak before shower time.... La'er --
From: Ghost on 19 Oct 2005 17:16 Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: tynol plus coffee = not a bad buzz tynol plus coca cola = Good Buzz :p > It took five.... > But I barely can feel the congestion in the entire neck and head and headache > is dulled out.... > > I even danced making my second coffee on a tune I always thought of is > just thw worst type of music one coudl ever have to try and dance one > (Without love, wheere woudl you be nah nah nha now) > Titan had her forst feed. ant to try an give her a bit more before I leave > given that I will be very very late for her supper wiht going for supper > and theater after work.... Enjoy! :) > > And now t try and be nice ith my feet....Since cold er days and having to > wear closed shoes, my poor toes hurt bad.... > Darned be havign sensitive feet nd living in a cold country! > I'd wear sandals all year round!!! sandals & me = not good....i have Ugly feet :p > > In fact, I'd prefer closed shoes if some were made tat did not hurt > anywhere.... same here, but try finding shoes for feet where one is about 7 1/2 the other 8 i also hate the kind of shoes that make your feet look big :p > > Hm[pf, I still fel the pain in them bones even through the tylenols for > the shoulders and entire back. > > I need a good massage with some strogn stuff to make the muscles warm up > from inside.... <massage> > > Or maybe I just need the touch and energy exchange of another human being.... > > Oh well.... > Still waiting for him to be born:):) > > > On the good signs, my eyes seem much better nd my face is getting to > slowly heal some bit.... > Pressure in the ears is elss but now is in the throat itself, feeling like > a strange body again caught between my ear and throat....Making me caugh > very often, til I am exausted, and then some mkore....where I justc an not > even caugh properly anymore so exausted it gets me to cough all the time. > Strange body feelign seems alays linked to eprfumes or citrus around me, > where the bad feelign stays for days....Never have time to get much over > it that some new Miss Disco Perfume or Mr Disco Aftershave walks by.... > > Lord, weekend looks so far away!!!! <looks into the distance> it is far away, i can'nt even see friday yet :p > > Come tomorrow morning so I can count down... > > Oh, may the body not ache this coming weekend, too much to fit in one > weekend even for the bare essential clean up before the laundry machines > get in the Friday after.... > > Man, what a bad body ache stretch this will have been. Really hurting all > over, muscular flu sort of thing, since August now, even last days of July.... > It s back also to the head cogestion, like that September where I had > fever with that that felt "only in the head"...Now it is like this > stiffness and ache, no fever, but no longer only in the neck and head > anymore. Entire torso, and the limbs are as exuatsed as the entire body > is, muscles way too easily hurting under the very slightest effort or the > simplest usual movements like walking, sitting, even.... > > Mpft.... > Ae we there yet? > Only October 19...About 3 more weeks to go then to make it to the end of > the 100 days... > > It just feels like I seriously need two weeks off..... <calls chloe's employer> yeah, chloe just suddenly disappeared. should be back in two weeks ;) > > Oh well. > > Where was I? > Oh yeah, trying to go help the footsies with a nice long burnign hot soak > before shower time.... you need a foot thingy under your puter desk ;) > > La'er have a good time, seeing you might not see this right after work..... hope you had a good time :) > > > -- > > > -- Ghost Misgiuded Angel - Updated Oct.12/05 http://members.shaw.ca/night-rider/home.html Weekly Walrus http://weeklywalrus.com/ #1 Webbrowser, http://www.mozilla.org/
From: Eleonore Beaudoin on 20 Oct 2005 06:52 Ghost (night-rider(a)Cookieshaw.ca) writes: > Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: > > > tynol plus coffee = not a bad buzz > tynol plus coca cola = Good Buzz :p Never buzzed on it... But I keep trying;-):) > >> It took five.... >> But I barely can feel the congestion in the entire neck and head and headache >> is dulled out.... >> >> I even danced making my second coffee on a tune I always thought of is >> just thw worst type of music one coudl ever have to try and dance one >> (Without love, wheere woudl you be nah nah nha now) >> Titan had her forst feed. ant to try an give her a bit more before I leave >> given that I will be very very late for her supper wiht going for supper >> and theater after work.... > > Enjoy! :) Thanks. It was a wonderful suave play.... I learned that they made a company all together so as to share the profits and all. Kiddo made the pics for the poster, and frankly, I as amazed with the pics. I did a good thing buying him cameras for XMas:). The one he has now is not one U gave him, but I mean, it gave him the occasion to try photography and he has a very artistic eye. >> And now t try and be nice ith my feet....Since cold er days and having to >> wear closed shoes, my poor toes hurt bad.... >> Darned be havign sensitive feet nd living in a cold country! >> I'd wear sandals all year round!!! > > sandals & me = not good....i have Ugly feet :p Oh, me too. But they still are ugly when hidden, so...;-) >> In fact, I'd prefer closed shoes if some were made tat did not hurt >> anywhere.... > > same here, but try finding shoes for feet where one is about 7 1/2 the > other 8 > i also hate the kind of shoes that make your feet look big :p How could your feet ever look big at 7 1/2 or 8???? In men's shoe size, I take 81/2-9! >> Hm[pf, I still fel the pain in them bones even through the tylenols for >> the shoulders and entire back. >> >> I need a good massage with some strogn stuff to make the muscles warm up >> from inside.... > > <massage> Aaaaaaaahhhh...That feels divine! You reallyy have the touch!:);-) > >> >> Or maybe I just need the touch and energy exchange of another human being.... >> >> Oh well.... >> Still waiting for him to be born:):) >> >> >> On the good signs, my eyes seem much better nd my face is getting to >> slowly heal some bit.... >> Pressure in the ears is elss but now is in the throat itself, feeling like >> a strange body again caught between my ear and throat....Making me caugh >> very often, til I am exausted, and then some mkore....where I justc an not >> even caugh properly anymore so exausted it gets me to cough all the time. >> Strange body feelign seems alays linked to eprfumes or citrus around me, >> where the bad feelign stays for days....Never have time to get much over >> it that some new Miss Disco Perfume or Mr Disco Aftershave walks by.... >> >> Lord, weekend looks so far away!!!! > > <looks into the distance> it is far away, i can'nt even see > friday yet :p I can from here....Finally Thursday.... Supposedly sunshine today. Too early to say. But too bad, cause the coming Wilma will brin us rain again for weeks....Or worse: snow:( > >> >> Come tomorrow morning so I can count down... >> >> Oh, may the body not ache this coming weekend, too much to fit in one >> weekend even for the bare essential clean up before the laundry machines >> get in the Friday after.... >> >> Man, what a bad body ache stretch this will have been. Really hurting all >> over, muscular flu sort of thing, since August now, even last days of July.... >> It s back also to the head cogestion, like that September where I had >> fever with that that felt "only in the head"...Now it is like this >> stiffness and ache, no fever, but no longer only in the neck and head >> anymore. Entire torso, and the limbs are as exuatsed as the entire body >> is, muscles way too easily hurting under the very slightest effort or the >> simplest usual movements like walking, sitting, even.... >> >> Mpft.... >> Ae we there yet? >> Only October 19...About 3 more weeks to go then to make it to the end of >> the 100 days... >> >> It just feels like I seriously need two weeks off..... > > <calls chloe's employer> yeah, chloe just suddenly disappeared. should > be back in two weeks ;) Pfft. She'd have a cow:) > >> >> Oh well. >> >> Where was I? >> Oh yeah, trying to go help the footsies with a nice long burnign hot soak >> before shower time.... > > you need a foot thingy under your puter desk ;) Have one....No help....wrong height, wrong distance (no wall behind to keep it there and it keeps sliding). BUT they called me yesterday for an apointment for an ergonometric study of my work station on Nov 18 at 9 A.M. Yay!!! I hope they do not change the disposition of the furniture and all...I just need things to be at the right height for me, period. A good chair, and higher adjustable tables. > >> >> La'er > > have a good time, seeing you might not see this right after work..... > hope you had a good time :) Did...It was s nice to see them all again:), if I only saw maybe 5 after the show... Can't be everywhere at once... Was nice to see kiddo!!! Had not since he was in town.... > > >> >> >> -- >> >> >> > > > -- > Ghost > > > Misgiuded Angel - Updated Oct.12/05 > http://members.shaw.ca/night-rider/home.html > > > Weekly Walrus > http://weeklywalrus.com/ > > > #1 Webbrowser, > http://www.mozilla.org/ --
From: Ghost on 20 Oct 2005 07:21 Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: > Ghost (night-rider(a)Cookieshaw.ca) writes: > >>Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: >> >> >>tynol plus coffee = not a bad buzz >>tynol plus coca cola = Good Buzz :p > > > Never buzzed on it... > But I keep trying;-):) > try coca cola than a coffee after i still have'nt got the combo figured out yet. > >>>It took five.... >>>But I barely can feel the congestion in the entire neck and head and headache >>>is dulled out.... >>> >>>I even danced making my second coffee on a tune I always thought of is >>>just thw worst type of music one coudl ever have to try and dance one >>>(Without love, wheere woudl you be nah nah nha now) >>>Titan had her forst feed. ant to try an give her a bit more before I leave >>>given that I will be very very late for her supper wiht going for supper >>>and theater after work.... >> >>Enjoy! :) > > > Thanks. It was a wonderful suave play.... > > I learned that they made a company all together so as to share the profits > and all. Kiddo made the pics for the poster, and frankly, I as amazed with > the pics. I did a good thing buying him cameras for XMas:). The one he has > now is not one U gave him, but I mean, it gave him the occasion to try > photography and he has a very artistic eye. > photography is a good hobby, i like it but have a crappy digital camera :/ > > >>>And now t try and be nice ith my feet....Since cold er days and having to >>>wear closed shoes, my poor toes hurt bad.... >>>Darned be havign sensitive feet nd living in a cold country! >>>I'd wear sandals all year round!!! >> >>sandals & me = not good....i have Ugly feet :p > > > > Oh, me too. But they still are ugly when hidden, so...;-) true, but nobody can see them ;) > > >>>In fact, I'd prefer closed shoes if some were made tat did not hurt >>>anywhere.... >> >>same here, but try finding shoes for feet where one is about 7 1/2 the >>other 8 >>i also hate the kind of shoes that make your feet look big :p > > > How could your feet ever look big at 7 1/2 or 8???? lol i know but it has happened > > In men's shoe size, I take 81/2-9! > > >>>Hm[pf, I still fel the pain in them bones even through the tylenols for >>>the shoulders and entire back. >>> >>>I need a good massage with some strogn stuff to make the muscles warm up >>>from inside.... >> >><massage> > > > > Aaaaaaaahhhh...That feels divine! > You reallyy have the touch!:);-) > i pratice alot on missy ;) > >>>Or maybe I just need the touch and energy exchange of another human being.... >>> >>>Oh well.... >>>Still waiting for him to be born:):) >>> >>> >>>On the good signs, my eyes seem much better nd my face is getting to >>>slowly heal some bit.... >>>Pressure in the ears is elss but now is in the throat itself, feeling like >>>a strange body again caught between my ear and throat....Making me caugh >>>very often, til I am exausted, and then some mkore....where I justc an not >>>even caugh properly anymore so exausted it gets me to cough all the time. >>>Strange body feelign seems alays linked to eprfumes or citrus around me, >>>where the bad feelign stays for days....Never have time to get much over >>>it that some new Miss Disco Perfume or Mr Disco Aftershave walks by.... >>> >>>Lord, weekend looks so far away!!!! >> >><looks into the distance> it is far away, i can'nt even see >>friday yet :p > > > > I can from here....Finally Thursday.... > Supposedly sunshine today. Too early to say. But too bad, cause the coming > Wilma will brin us rain again for weeks....Or worse: snow:( > > Wilma!!!!!!!! i thought fred flinstone had better control over his wife :p snow? SNOW!? how dare you use such launage! :p lol but no matter what, its comming :p > >>>Come tomorrow morning so I can count down... >>> >>>Oh, may the body not ache this coming weekend, too much to fit in one >>>weekend even for the bare essential clean up before the laundry machines >>>get in the Friday after.... >>> >>>Man, what a bad body ache stretch this will have been. Really hurting all >>>over, muscular flu sort of thing, since August now, even last days of July.... >>>It s back also to the head cogestion, like that September where I had >>>fever with that that felt "only in the head"...Now it is like this >>>stiffness and ache, no fever, but no longer only in the neck and head >>>anymore. Entire torso, and the limbs are as exuatsed as the entire body >>>is, muscles way too easily hurting under the very slightest effort or the >>>simplest usual movements like walking, sitting, even.... >>> >>>Mpft.... >>>Ae we there yet? >>>Only October 19...About 3 more weeks to go then to make it to the end of >>>the 100 days... >>> >>>It just feels like I seriously need two weeks off..... >> >><calls chloe's employer> yeah, chloe just suddenly disappeared. should >>be back in two weeks ;) > > > Pfft. > She'd have a cow:) > lmao if i ever hear alot of Mooing comming from the east............... > >>>Oh well. >>> >>>Where was I? >>>Oh yeah, trying to go help the footsies with a nice long burnign hot soak >>>before shower time.... >> >>you need a foot thingy under your puter desk ;) > > > Have one....No help....wrong height, wrong distance (no wall behind to > keep it there and it keeps sliding). BUT they called me yesterday for an > apointment for an ergonometric study of my work station on Nov 18 at 9 > A.M. Yay!!! > I hope they do not change the disposition of the furniture and all...I > just need things to be at the right height for me, period. > A good chair, and higher adjustable tables. > > > >> >> La'er > >>have a good time, seeing you might not see this right after work..... >>hope you had a good time :) > > > Did...It was s nice to see them all again:), if I only saw maybe 5 after > the show... > Can't be everywhere at once... > > Was nice to see kiddo!!! Had not since he was in town.... > > > all in all, glad to hear that you had a good time :) ghost > >>> >>>-- >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>-- >>Ghost >> >> >>Misgiuded Angel - Updated Oct.12/05 >>http://members.shaw.ca/night-rider/home.html >> >> >>Weekly Walrus >>http://weeklywalrus.com/ >> >> >>#1 Webbrowser, >>http://www.mozilla.org/ > > > > -- > > > -- Ghost Misgiuded Angel - Updated Oct.12/05 http://members.shaw.ca/night-rider/home.html Weekly Walrus http://weeklywalrus.com/ #1 Webbrowser, http://www.mozilla.org/
From: Eleonore Beaudoin on 20 Oct 2005 18:20
Ghost (night-rider(a)Cookieshaw.ca) writes: > Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: > >> Ghost (night-rider(a)Cookieshaw.ca) writes: >> >>>Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: >>> >>> >>>tynol plus coffee = not a bad buzz >>>tynol plus coca cola = Good Buzz :p >> >> >> Never buzzed on it... >> But I keep trying;-):) >> > > try coca cola than a coffee after > i still have'nt got the combo figured out yet. :):) Maybe Combo Number Four?;-) > >> >>>>It took five.... >>>>But I barely can feel the congestion in the entire neck and head and headache >>>>is dulled out.... >>>> >>>>I even danced making my second coffee on a tune I always thought of is >>>>just thw worst type of music one coudl ever have to try and dance one >>>>(Without love, wheere woudl you be nah nah nha now) >>>>Titan had her forst feed. ant to try an give her a bit more before I leave >>>>given that I will be very very late for her supper wiht going for supper >>>>and theater after work.... >>> >>>Enjoy! :) >> >> >> Thanks. It was a wonderful suave play.... >> >> I learned that they made a company all together so as to share the profits >> and all. Kiddo made the pics for the poster, and frankly, I as amazed with >> the pics. I did a good thing buying him cameras for XMas:). The one he has >> now is not one U gave him, but I mean, it gave him the occasion to try >> photography and he has a very artistic eye. >> > > photography is a good hobby, i like it but have a crappy > digital camera :/ He had crappy instamatics, then crappy digital (one)...But he traded it as soon as they went to higher resolution for one he found online for cheap where he sold the one I had given him that fast was outdating (a year later:)). But true, it was too! But ya know...Keepign the dream aliove of acting and photography and other hobbies and talents alive...Soemthing a mom smiles about when she knows through what poor years they made it:) >> >> >>>>And now t try and be nice ith my feet....Since cold er days and having to >>>>wear closed shoes, my poor toes hurt bad.... >>>>Darned be havign sensitive feet nd living in a cold country! >>>>I'd wear sandals all year round!!! >>> >>>sandals & me = not good....i have Ugly feet :p >> >> >> >> Oh, me too. But they still are ugly when hidden, so...;-) > > true, but nobody can see them ;) I donlt care about that so much anymore, so long as the shoes/sndals would be comfy. I never wear flip flops though, the type that go between the toes? Never coudl stand those:) >>>>In fact, I'd prefer closed shoes if some were made tat did not hurt >>>>anywhere.... >>> >>>same here, but try finding shoes for feet where one is about 7 1/2 the >>>other 8 >>>i also hate the kind of shoes that make your feet look big :p >> >> >> How could your feet ever look big at 7 1/2 or 8???? > > lol i know but it has happened Can't be.Uh-hu:) > >> >> In men's shoe size, I take 81/2-9! >> >> >>>>Hm[pf, I still fel the pain in them bones even through the tylenols for >>>>the shoulders and entire back. >>>> >>>>I need a good massage with some strogn stuff to make the muscles warm up >>>>from inside.... >>> >>><massage> >> >> >> >> Aaaaaaaahhhh...That feels divine! >> You reallyy have the touch!:);-) >> > > i pratice alot on missy ;) :):) That'll keep the practice going:) >> >>>>Or maybe I just need the touch and energy exchange of another human being.... >>>> >>>>Oh well.... >>>>Still waiting for him to be born:):) >>>> >>>> >>>>On the good signs, my eyes seem much better nd my face is getting to >>>>slowly heal some bit.... >>>>Pressure in the ears is elss but now is in the throat itself, feeling like >>>>a strange body again caught between my ear and throat....Making me caugh >>>>very often, til I am exausted, and then some mkore....where I justc an not >>>>even caugh properly anymore so exausted it gets me to cough all the time. >>>>Strange body feelign seems alays linked to eprfumes or citrus around me, >>>>where the bad feelign stays for days....Never have time to get much over >>>>it that some new Miss Disco Perfume or Mr Disco Aftershave walks by.... >>>> >>>>Lord, weekend looks so far away!!!! >>> >>><looks into the distance> it is far away, i can'nt even see >>>friday yet :p >> >> >> >> I can from here....Finally Thursday.... >> Supposedly sunshine today. Too early to say. But too bad, cause the coming >> Wilma will brin us rain again for weeks....Or worse: snow:( >> > > > Wilma!!!!!!!! > i thought fred flinstone had better control over his wife :p They sure picked the name anyway. I was thinking today of my saying a short time ago that my ears were mnore filled with water than before and again did that funny vibration thing for a few days, many times a day, more than for the past hurricanes where I yet thought "no way! Not a third one on its way already and much biogger than the other two???? Noooooo, can;t be...". Yet here comes Wilma:( Seems like it keeps doing that... Hopefully we are hurricane "free" for a while, my poor ears can;t take it anymore:( > > snow? SNOW!? how dare you use such launage! :p > lol but no matter what, its comming :p Sigh..... Today the sun TRIED to pak through the rainy clouds, but only could do it as I left work, which was a real odd change. Normaly even if a suynny day, the moment we get out of the building at the end of the day, it rains or the sun goes to hide. But today it was blinding sun, hard tos ee the road at all at times... on the way there and back, but in between was just frustrating teases of seing a very blue sky lil patch "over there" but never "over here"... > >> >>>>Come tomorrow morning so I can count down... >>>> >>>>Oh, may the body not ache this coming weekend, too much to fit in one >>>>weekend even for the bare essential clean up before the laundry machines >>>>get in the Friday after.... >>>> >>>>Man, what a bad body ache stretch this will have been. Really hurting all >>>>over, muscular flu sort of thing, since August now, even last days of July.... >>>>It s back also to the head cogestion, like that September where I had >>>>fever with that that felt "only in the head"...Now it is like this >>>>stiffness and ache, no fever, but no longer only in the neck and head >>>>anymore. Entire torso, and the limbs are as exuatsed as the entire body >>>>is, muscles way too easily hurting under the very slightest effort or the >>>>simplest usual movements like walking, sitting, even.... >>>> >>>>Mpft.... >>>>Ae we there yet? >>>>Only October 19...About 3 more weeks to go then to make it to the end of >>>>the 100 days... >>>> >>>>It just feels like I seriously need two weeks off..... >>> >>><calls chloe's employer> yeah, chloe just suddenly disappeared. should >>>be back in two weeks ;) >> >> >> Pfft. >> She'd have a cow:) >> > > lmao > if i ever hear alot of Mooing comming from the east............... ;-) > >> >>>>Oh well. >>>> >>>>Where was I? >>>>Oh yeah, trying to go help the footsies with a nice long burnign hot soak >>>>before shower time.... >>> >>>you need a foot thingy under your puter desk ;) >> >> >> Have one....No help....wrong height, wrong distance (no wall behind to >> keep it there and it keeps sliding). BUT they called me yesterday for an >> apointment for an ergonometric study of my work station on Nov 18 at 9 >> A.M. Yay!!! >> I hope they do not change the disposition of the furniture and all...I >> just need things to be at the right height for me, period. >> A good chair, and higher adjustable tables. >> >> > >> >> La'er >> >>>have a good time, seeing you might not see this right after work..... >>>hope you had a good time :) >> >> >> Did...It was s nice to see them all again:), if I only saw maybe 5 after >> the show... >> Can't be everywhere at once... >> >> Was nice to see kiddo!!! Had not since he was in town.... >> >> > > > all in all, glad to hear that you had a good time :) Yep, if was sleepy all day today:) I think I only slept from 5 to 6 again... C > > ghost >> >>>> >>>>-- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>Ghost >>> >>> >>>Misgiuded Angel - Updated Oct.12/05 >>>http://members.shaw.ca/night-rider/home.html >>> >>> >>>Weekly Walrus >>>http://weeklywalrus.com/ >>> >>> >>>#1 Webbrowser, >>>http://www.mozilla.org/ >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> > > > -- > Ghost > > > Misgiuded Angel - Updated Oct.12/05 > http://members.shaw.ca/night-rider/home.html > > > Weekly Walrus > http://weeklywalrus.com/ > > > #1 Webbrowser, > http://www.mozilla.org/ -- |