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From: Alan B. Mac Farlane on 26 Aug 2008 19:20 in article fTWsk.10010$%b7.5004(a)edtnps82, Dee at dee(a)here.ca wrote on 8/26/08 10:15 AM: > My ferritin is going up - that's great. Prolactin is, too, though - not > good. Will be getting a CT Scan on my brain if it doesn't go down next test > results. > > Dee seems like you have game on with your own speculations ... the prolactin being high before thyroid replacement therapy started, and then doubling up after ward is rather worrisome. however if you are dying with the hypothyroidism going on ... then this is a good way to live robbing from Peter to pay Paul until you die of what might turn into breast cancer of the brain unless you chose another death to live though ... IMO and all that rot. sumbuddie wear blind sea ;( sorry for the private email ... fat fingered the button.
From: Dee on 26 Aug 2008 19:30 Thanks for clarifying about the T3 and T4, Rod. : ) About the TSH, I'm thinking my doctor wasn't taking into consideration that dessicated thyroid contains the same components as human thyroid hormone (not to mention calcitonin), so I'll have to explain that to him. So, with that in mind, I don't think I will go as low as 60 mgs again, because I want to raise the Free's even higher (I'm certainly not feeling well, so I know I must need to do that, on top of check on my adrenals, and keep upping my ferritin, and find out what's up with my pituitary.) Anyway, I'm sort of rambling, at this point. : ) Thanks for your response - very much appreciated. Dee > Not sure what you saw on the form (obviously :-) ) - but Total T4 (and > T3) are rarely done. I'd guess T4 and T3 have been taken as meaning Free > T4/T3. (All the total versions tell you is how much T4 or T3 is present in > your blood. Unless it is unbound, i.e. made into Free, it isn't really > available to your body. It can be useful for testing whether you have > sensible levels of thyroid binding globulin (TBG), but not much else. So > this isn't unreasonable.) > > My feeling is that TSH provides little information. Your FT4 in particular > has a way to go yet. > > I am hoping that the FT4 will continue to climb - fair enough throttling > back a bit, but not too far. Perhaps others can jump in with their views? > > -- > Rod > > Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious > onset. > Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed. > <www.thyromind.info> <www.thyroiduk.org> <www.altsupportthyroid.org>
From: Dee on 26 Aug 2008 19:38 That's not overly optimistic, Alan. Is there a crying smiley? Dee "Alan B. Mac Farlane" <alanb(a)sonic.net> wrote in message news:C4D9DDC8.A4A%alanb(a)sonic.net... > in article fTWsk.10010$%b7.5004(a)edtnps82, Dee at dee(a)here.ca wrote on > 8/26/08 10:15 AM: > >> My ferritin is going up - that's great. Prolactin is, too, though - not >> good. Will be getting a CT Scan on my brain if it doesn't go down next >> test >> results. >> >> Dee > > > seems like you have game on with your own speculations ... the prolactin > being high before thyroid replacement therapy started, and then doubling > up > after ward is rather worrisome. > > however if you are dying with the hypothyroidism going on ... then this is > a > good way to live robbing from Peter to pay Paul until you die of what > might > turn into breast cancer of the brain unless you chose another death to > live > though ... IMO and all that rot. > > sumbuddie wear blind sea > > ;( > > > sorry for the private email ... fat fingered the button. >
From: Gail on 26 Aug 2008 22:40 On Aug 27, 1:15 am, "Dee" <d...(a)here.ca> wrote: > Hi everyone. I got my first results back today since starting dessicated > thyroid. I hope you don't mind giving me some feedback - you're more > experienced at this than I am. The first results are before medication. > Hi Dee, How were you feeling on 105mg? A higher T3 may help you feel better, but it could need the adrenals to be supported so it can work for you. Getting the T4 up is the reason that I add some synthetic T4 to the dessicated. I suggested it as a trade to my doctor - "Can I drop the dose of the dessicated a little and add just a bit of T4 to replace it?" But if your liver isn't working well to do the conversion of T4 to T3 you might be better off not using the T4 which could just make the numbers look more balanced without really helping you. I think that the TSH is important because from what I read does seem to do more than just stimulate the thyroid it works at a cellular level too. But if there isn't enough thryoid hormone there in the first place there's not a lot of point in having any TSH that I can work out (mine is always flagged as far too low). It's interesting that for some people adding iodine in brings the TSH up. I've never had my Prolactin measured, so it's not an area I know much about. Doing a read through my resources though I've found a few things that are interesting. If the higher levels come from an Adenoma of the pituitary, then Melatonin might help - maybe that you're not sleeping well has a connection here. So I'm sorry to disagree with Alan but Sunshine may well be important - I'd prescribe a long holiday somewhere in the sun - Barbados? Canary Islands? Borneo.... but you need to avoid drinking beer. Support for the Liver and the Kidneys can bring the levels downn - the herb St Mary's Thistle may be helpful for this - it is a liver and kidney rebuilder and slows down the phase 1 liver pathway which can help with being oversensitive. High levels are associated to Breast Cancer (there it is again), getting fat, Polycystic Ovaries..... but part of it's job is to stimulate the production of Progesterone from the ovaries which might be important because of the oestrogen dominance issue that is often part of low thyroid. Things that can bring the prolactin into balance are B6, Vit C, the herbs Chasteberry and St John's Wort, Nickel, 50mg a day of Zinc. Gail.
From: Gail on 31 Aug 2008 08:47
Have been puzzling about Vit D for a while because so many people are testing low to it - a lot of them have extra high 1,25 OH vit D which is the active form to which the D that we supplement with is converted. It is a common finding in the autistic population and in many with chronic fatigue or other chronic health problems. This seems to explain it: http://courses.washington.edu/bonephys/opvitD.html "Measure 25(OH) vitamin D, NOT 1,25(OH)2 vitamin D 1,25(OH)2 vitamin D is more difficult and expensive to measure than 25(OH)D; moreover, it is not a good measure of vitamin D status. When patients are vitamin D deficient, the parathyroid hormone increases and drives the renal 1-alpha-hydroxylase, so that 1,25(OH)2 vitamin D levels increase. Only in severe deficiency, when substrate is depleted, does the 1,25(OH)2 vitamin D become low. Partially treated vitamin D deficiency also results in marked elevations of 1,25(OH)2 vitamin D levels. Some doctors, thinking they are sophisticated because they know that 1,25(OH)2 vitamin D is more active, order the wrong measurement. Do not fall into this trap and waste money on this expensive but often misleading test! There are only a few situations where you would actually want to know the 1,25(OH)2 vitamin D levels: unexplained hypercalcemia (looking for granulomatous disease or lymphoma), suspected genetic childhood rickets, suspected tumor-induced osteomalacia, some cases of nephrolithiasis or hypercalciuria. Patients with stages 4-5 chronic kidney disease have decreased 1,25(OH)2 vitamin D levels but even in those patients the 25(OH) vitamin D is a better test of the stores of vitamin D, and the PTH is a better indicator of mineral abnormalities. Finally, new studies suggest that some cells generate intracellular 1,25(OH)2 vitamin D to fight tuberculosis, suppress cancer growth, or modify immune response. They need adequate substrate, as measured by 25(OH) vitamin D." Apparently if you supplement with Vit D it is a good idea to also supplement with Vit K as the two need to be in balance - Vitamin K helps to prevent the soft tissue calcification and keeps the teeth strong. I noticed feeling a lot better when I started supplementing with Vit D - it's a bit corny but I would even say I started to feel sunnier. Gail. |