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From: Patti on 23 Jul 2008 15:16
Thought this might be of interest:-

http://www.tescodiets.com/index.cfm?currpage=contact&subsection=contact&code=350144
their suggested "diabetic diet" is so appalling that many members of
diabetes-support.org.uk have written to their dietitian protesting.
"Catherine" has written back extremely smugly defending their diet. I
wonder how many of you would be interested in pricking Catherine's
smug little balloon????
Patti
Hba1c 5.5
On Levemir and Novorapid + meds for BP and thyroid
Join us at http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk "The friendly forum!"
From: Andy Hall on 23 Jul 2008 15:39
On 2008-07-23 20:16:11 +0100, Patti <patti.evanspen(a)btconnect.com> said:

> Thought this might be of interest:-
>
> http://www.tescodiets.com/index.cfm?currpage=contact&subsection=contact&code=350144
their
>
> suggested "diabetic diet" is so appalling that many members of
> diabetes-support.org.uk have written to their dietitian protesting.
> "Catherine" has written back extremely smugly defending their diet. I
> wonder how many of you would be interested in pricking Catherine's
> smug little balloon????
> Patti
> Hba1c 5.5
> On Levemir and Novorapid + meds for BP and thyroid
> Join us at http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk "The friendly forum!"

What did you have in mind?


I have to admit that orange juice and porridge is not my idea of a
suitable breakfast.

From: John Williamson on 23 Jul 2008 16:43
Andy Hall wrote:
> On 2008-07-23 20:16:11 +0100, Patti <patti.evanspen(a)btconnect.com> said:
>
>> Thought this might be of interest:-
>>
>> http://www.tescodiets.com/index.cfm?currpage=contact&subsection=contact&code=350144
>>
> their
>>
>> suggested "diabetic diet" is so appalling that many members of
>> diabetes-support.org.uk have written to their dietitian protesting.
>> "Catherine" has written back extremely smugly defending their diet. I
>> wonder how many of you would be interested in pricking Catherine's
>> smug little balloon????
>> Patti
>> Hba1c 5.5
>> On Levemir and Novorapid + meds for BP and thyroid
>> Join us at http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk "The friendly forum!"
>
> What did you have in mind?
>
>
I sent this:-

Start quote.

Your Diabetic diet plan has been brought to my attention by a fellow
user of a diabetic support group on the internet.

On checking this plan as sampled on this website, it would be totally
unsuitable for me as a type 2 diabetic on oral medication.

60 Grams or more of fast acting carbohydrate at breakfast would cause a
massive hyperglycaemic problem for myself as well as most other type 2
diabetics.

Bananas and Weetabix both contain fast acting carbohydrates, leading to
a a damaging blood glucose level spike, followed by a reactive hypo for
a large number of diabetics.

Risotto also contains very fast acting carbohydrates in the rice, which,
again, for most diabetics would cause a problem with massive peaks in
blood glucose levels.

Pitta bread is high in refined starch, which again would cause problems.

I would very strongly suggest that the published diet be revised to
include slower acting carbohydrates such as those contained in oats,
(Say, Oatibix onstead of Weetabix) & wholemeal cereal products as well
as reducing the total amount of carbohydrates in accordance with
globally recognised guidelines.

For those injecting insulin, the problems are magnified, as the insulin
dose has to be increased to take account of the fast acting nature of
the carbohydrates you specify, which will probably lead to a
hypoglycaemic situation later on.

Your published day's diet on this website would cause me to be
permanently hyperglycaemic, with immediate & long term deleterious
effects on my health. For a diabetic injecting insulin, this type of
diet has been proven to cause a roller coaster ride of high & low
extremes in blood glucose levels, leading to poor control of the
disease, possibly resulting in blindness, kidney failure & the need to
amputate limbs. Such problems were a contributory cause of my brother's
death. He was a type 1 diabetic with poorly controlled blood glucose,
kidney failure, & diabetic retinopathy.

End quote.

Possibly a little over the top, though.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.
From: Robert Miles on 23 Jul 2008 17:56

"Patti" <patti.evanspen(a)btconnect.com> wrote in message
news:bn0f84dpk5kmoi039hr13b5tm9pihro3a5(a)4ax.com...
> Thought this might be of interest:-
>
> http://www.tescodiets.com/index.cfm?currpage=contact&subsection=contact&code=350144

That web page didn't seem to offer me any way of even seeing their
"diabetic diet", possibly because I'm not in the UK, so I decided not
to respond using it.

> their suggested "diabetic diet" is so appalling that many members of
> diabetes-support.org.uk have written to their dietitian protesting.
> "Catherine" has written back extremely smugly defending their diet. I
> wonder how many of you would be interested in pricking Catherine's
> smug little balloon????
> Patti

However, here are a few web sites on the benefits of type 2s using
a low-carb diet, so someone who has seen that "diabetic diet" may
want to include them in their response:

http://diabetesupdate.blogspot.com/

http://www.doaj.org/doaj?func=abstract&id=175137

http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/pdf/1743-7075-5-14.pdf

http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/pdf/1743-7075-5-9.pdf

http://www.dsolve.com/

http://www.nutritionj.com/content/3/1/9

http://diabeteshealth.com/read/2008/06/26/5802.html

http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/issue177/smallnumbers.shtml

<http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F04E2D61F3EF934A35754C0A9649C8B63>

<http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/weight-loss/low-carb-diet-trumps-low-fat-diet-yet-again/>

http://www.healthcentral.com/diabetes/c/17/34192/low-carb-weight-loss

http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/2008/07/direct-study-result-low-carb.html

And a few other sites that may be relevant:

http://www.healthcentral.com/diabetes/c/5068/25614/exercise-fat

http://diabetesmonitor.com/m57.htm

<http://www.dlife.com/dLife/do/ShowContent/inspiration_expert_advice/expert_columns/trecroci_083107.html>

<http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080514/diet_study_080514/20080514?hub=Health>



From: Andy Hall on 23 Jul 2008 17:56
On 2008-07-23 21:43:22 +0100, John Williamson
<johnwilliamson(a)btinternet.com> said:

> Andy Hall wrote:
>> On 2008-07-23 20:16:11 +0100, Patti <patti.evanspen(a)btconnect.com> said:
>>
>>> Thought this might be of interest:-
>>>
>>> http://www.tescodiets.com/index.cfm?currpage=contact&subsection=contact&code=350144
their

suggested
>>>
>>> "diabetic diet" is so appalling that many members of
>>> diabetes-support.org.uk have written to their dietitian protesting.
>>> "Catherine" has written back extremely smugly defending their diet. I
>>> wonder how many of you would be interested in pricking Catherine's
>>> smug little balloon????
>>> Patti
>>> Hba1c 5.5
>>> On Levemir and Novorapid + meds for BP and thyroid
>>> Join us at http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk "The friendly forum!"
>>
>> What did you have in mind?
>>
>>
> I sent this:-
>
> Start quote.
>
> Your Diabetic diet plan has been brought to my attention by a fellow
> user of a diabetic support group on the internet.
>
> On checking this plan as sampled on this website, it would be totally
> unsuitable for me as a type 2 diabetic on oral medication.
>
> 60 Grams or more of fast acting carbohydrate at breakfast would cause a
> massive hyperglycaemic problem for myself as well as most other type 2
> diabetics.
>
> Bananas and Weetabix both contain fast acting carbohydrates, leading to
> a a damaging blood glucose level spike, followed by a reactive hypo for
> a large number of diabetics.
>
> Risotto also contains very fast acting carbohydrates in the rice,
> which, again, for most diabetics would cause a problem with massive
> peaks in blood glucose levels.
>
> Pitta bread is high in refined starch, which again would cause problems.
>
> I would very strongly suggest that the published diet be revised to
> include slower acting carbohydrates such as those contained in oats,
> (Say, Oatibix onstead of Weetabix) & wholemeal cereal products as well
> as reducing the total amount of carbohydrates in accordance with
> globally recognised guidelines.
>
> For those injecting insulin, the problems are magnified, as the insulin
> dose has to be increased to take account of the fast acting nature of
> the carbohydrates you specify, which will probably lead to a
> hypoglycaemic situation later on.
>
> Your published day's diet on this website would cause me to be
> permanently hyperglycaemic, with immediate & long term deleterious
> effects on my health. For a diabetic injecting insulin, this type of
> diet has been proven to cause a roller coaster ride of high & low
> extremes in blood glucose levels, leading to poor control of the
> disease, possibly resulting in blindness, kidney failure & the need to
> amputate limbs. Such problems were a contributory cause of my brother's
> death. He was a type 1 diabetic with poorly controlled blood glucose,
> kidney failure, & diabetic retinopathy.
>
> End quote.
>
> Possibly a little over the top, though.

I don't think so at all. Seems reasonable to me.

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