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From: Alan S on 13 Aug 2008 05:42
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:27:25 +0100, David WE Roberts
<nospam(a)talk21.com> wrote:

>> I find that Basmahti rice is worse than the others.
>>
>> Solution with pasta has been to have a small amount rather than not at all.
>
>My dietitians keep telling me that Basmahti rice is the lowest GI of all
>rices.
>Is this incorrect, or is low GI not the same as slow release and low blood
>sugar?

GI is a rough guide for us as diabetics. GL is a better one.
Your own meter, measuring at your blood glucose peak after
you eat is the best one.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
--
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Blog http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
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From: David WE Roberts on 17 Aug 2008 06:04
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:16:11 +0100, Patti wrote:

> Thought this might be of interest:-
>
> http://www.tescodiets.com/index.cfm?currpage=contact&subsection=contact&code=350144
> their suggested "diabetic diet" is so appalling that many members of
> diabetes-support.org.uk have written to their dietitian protesting.
> "Catherine" has written back extremely smugly defending their diet. I
> wonder how many of you would be interested in pricking Catherine's
> smug little balloon????
> Patti
> Hba1c 5.5
> On Levemir and Novorapid + meds for BP and thyroid
> Join us at http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk "The friendly forum!"

From reading through this thread and following the link it seems that
Tesco and "Catherine" are following current dietitian guidelines and the
advice from Diabetes UK.

This does not to me classify the diet as "appalling".

This seems a perfectly reasonable and responsible approach from a large
retailer.

Therefore "Catherine" and Tesco should not the target of this mini-hate
campaign.

By all means write to Tesco and explain that there is a trend in modern
diabetic thinking which is at odds with established theory as taught to
dietitians and propagated by Diabetes UK, and explain what the alternative
thinking is and why it should be considered.

Personal abuse is not the mature approach, and is unlikely to result in an
alternative view being considered seriously.

Frankly, it does make me wonder quite who is living inside a "smug
little balloon".

Cheers

Dave R
From: Alan S on 19 Aug 2008 05:46
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:04:55 +0100, David WE Roberts
<nospam(a)talk21.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:16:11 +0100, Patti wrote:
>
>> Thought this might be of interest:-
>>
>> http://www.tescodiets.com/index.cfm?currpage=contact&subsection=contact&code=350144
>> their suggested "diabetic diet" is so appalling that many members of
>> diabetes-support.org.uk have written to their dietitian protesting.
>> "Catherine" has written back extremely smugly defending their diet. I
>> wonder how many of you would be interested in pricking Catherine's
>> smug little balloon????
>> Patti
>> Hba1c 5.5
>> On Levemir and Novorapid + meds for BP and thyroid
>> Join us at http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk "The friendly forum!"
>
>From reading through this thread and following the link it seems that
>Tesco and "Catherine" are following current dietitian guidelines and the
>advice from Diabetes UK.
>
>This does not to me classify the diet as "appalling".
>
>This seems a perfectly reasonable and responsible approach from a large
>retailer.
>
>Therefore "Catherine" and Tesco should not the target of this mini-hate
>campaign.
>
>By all means write to Tesco and explain that there is a trend in modern
>diabetic thinking which is at odds with established theory as taught to
>dietitians and propagated by Diabetes UK, and explain what the alternative
>thinking is and why it should be considered.
>
>Personal abuse is not the mature approach, and is unlikely to result in an
>alternative view being considered seriously.
>
>Frankly, it does make me wonder quite who is living inside a "smug
>little balloon".
>
>Cheers
>
>Dave R

Hello David.

You've been posting here since April, but I hadn't really
got to know you. So I went back and looked at some of your
posts.

This one stood out:

"My surgery, with a specialist diabetic nurse, tell me that
they have stopped giving out test kits to the newly
diagnosed because they weren't seeing any real benefit.

<snip>
I am feeling O.K. at the moment - no sign of the symptoms
which alerted me to having diabetes - but I sometimes wonder
if I am doing enough. It is hard to tell without symptoms or
a test kit."

Are you testing yet?

I ask because it is difficult to believe that any type 2
following the testing advice advocated here:
http://jennifer.flyingrat.net/
could possibly believe that Tesco diet is anything but
appalling.

The fact that Diebetes UK or the NHS or the ADA may approve
it does not make it less appalling, just more widespread and
more difficult to fight. Nor does it make it a perfectly
reasonable approach. It may be reasonable in a marketing
sense, but not in a health sense.

Incidentally, I signed up to have a look, didn't like the
details I had to provide and tried to unsubscribe - and gave
up trying; it was near impossible. I still keep getting
their emails.

All that aside, I hope you are testing now and using that
excellent advice from Jennifer. If not please consider it.

On smug little balloons, ignorance of post-prandial blood
glucose excursions is definitely not bliss for us.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
--
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
Blog http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
DLife column http://tinyurl.com/5v74xr
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com (Food, Glorious Food in India)
From: David WE Roberts on 22 Aug 2008 08:22
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:46:28 +1000, Alan S wrote:

> On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:04:55 +0100, David WE Roberts
> <nospam(a)talk21.com> wrote:

<snip> So I went back and looked at some of your
> posts.
>
> This one stood out:
>
> "My surgery, with a specialist diabetic nurse, tell me that
> they have stopped giving out test kits to the newly
> diagnosed because they weren't seeing any real benefit.
>
> <snip>
> I am feeling O.K. at the moment - no sign of the symptoms
> which alerted me to having diabetes - but I sometimes wonder
> if I am doing enough. It is hard to tell without symptoms or
> a test kit."
>
> Are you testing yet?
>
Still not testing, but probably will be soon.

In support of my local surgery, they said that they didn't issue testers
and strips "as a matter of course" any more because they weren't seeing
real benefits.

However the diabetic nurse said that if i wanted to start testing at any
time she had some spare testers - they are forward looking and supportive
which appears not to be the case with all surgeries.

Therefore the decision not to test initially has been mine, and the
surgery will fully support me if and when I wish to start testing.

I stand by my point that Tesco seem to have taken what MOST would consider
to be the best professional advice around - and therefore the main issue
should be with those giving out the advice to Tesco, and that should be
reflected in any feedback.

Cheers


Dave R
From: Alan S on 22 Aug 2008 08:51
On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:22:42 +0100, David WE Roberts
<nospam(a)talk21.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:46:28 +1000, Alan S wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:04:55 +0100, David WE Roberts
>> <nospam(a)talk21.com> wrote:
>
><snip> So I went back and looked at some of your
>> posts.
>>
>> This one stood out:
>>
>> "My surgery, with a specialist diabetic nurse, tell me that
>> they have stopped giving out test kits to the newly
>> diagnosed because they weren't seeing any real benefit.
>>
>> <snip>
>> I am feeling O.K. at the moment - no sign of the symptoms
>> which alerted me to having diabetes - but I sometimes wonder
>> if I am doing enough. It is hard to tell without symptoms or
>> a test kit."
>>
>> Are you testing yet?
>>
>Still not testing, but probably will be soon.
>
>In support of my local surgery, they said that they didn't issue testers
>and strips "as a matter of course" any more because they weren't seeing
>real benefits.
>
>However the diabetic nurse said that if i wanted to start testing at any
>time she had some spare testers - they are forward looking and supportive
>which appears not to be the case with all surgeries.
>
>Therefore the decision not to test initially has been mine, and the
>surgery will fully support me if and when I wish to start testing.
>
>I stand by my point that Tesco seem to have taken what MOST would consider
>to be the best professional advice around - and therefore the main issue
>should be with those giving out the advice to Tesco, and that should be
>reflected in any feedback.
>
>Cheers
>
>
>Dave R

Dave, I won't argue further with you. It would be pointless.

I will ask you to make a note to yourself to re-read what
you just wrote in six months time.

In the meantime, I invite you to read a couple of blog posts
of mine. I hope they will influence your opinion.

http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2008/04/is-testing-worthwhile.html
and
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2006/10/test-review-adjust.html

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
--
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
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