Soy Intake and Type 2 Diabetes Nephropathy
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From: Marshall Price on 16 Apr 2008 13:14 trigonometry1972(a)gmail.com | wrote: > On Apr 6, 9:05 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> On Apr 6, 3:06 pm, Marshall Price <d0213...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:I don't >> get it. What were the experimenters' conclusions? << >> >> I'll give you a tip .. >> >> Article reading .. 101 .. >> >> Usually the conclusion is found at the bottom of the article .. >> >> "The current study finds that a soy protein diet can reduce levels of >> fasting plasma glucose, cholesterol, and CRP and decrease proteinuria >> vs a control diet among patients with type 2 diabetes and >> nephropathy. >> However, body weight was similar between the 2 groups." >> >> Now if you don't understand the short little four line paragraph >> above .. buddy .. you are .. S=O=L .. >> >> Just kidding .. Marshall .. >> >> It says .. "soy protein diet good" .. >> >> I'll .. assume you know the study was done in those with .. >> nephropathy and type 2 diabetes. >> >> Nephropathy is .. kidney disease .. >> >> Who loves ya. >> Tom >> >> Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh >> >> Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 >> >> DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk >> >> >> >>> I don't get it. What were the experimenters' conclusions? >>> spam.st...(a)yahoo.fr wrote: >>>> ironjustice wrote: >>>>> http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/572440 >>>>> April 3, 2008 -- Intake of soy protein had beneficial effects on >>>>> cardiovascular risk factors and kidney-related biomarkers in patients >>>>> with type 2 diabetes and nephropathy, according to the results of a >>>>> longitudinal, randomized trial published in the April issue of >>>>> Diabetes Care. >>>>> "Several short-term trials on the effect of soy consumption on >>>>> cardiovascular risks are available, but little evidence exists >>>>> regarding the impact of long-term soy protein consumption among type 2 >>>>> diabetic patients with nephropathy," write Leila Azadbakht, PhD, from >>>>> the Isfahan University of Medical Sciences in Isfahan, Iran, and >>>>> colleagues. "To determine the effects of long-term soy consumption on >>>>> cardiovascular risks, we measured C-reactive protein (CRP) and kidney >>>>> function indexes among type 2 diabetic patients with nephropathy." >>>>> Of 41 patients with type 2 diabetes and nephropathy who were enrolled >>>>> in this study, 18 were men and 23 were women. The soy protein group (n >>>>> = 20) was assigned to a diet containing 0.8 g protein/kg body weight >>>>> (35% animal proteins, 35% textured soy protein, and 30% vegetable >>>>> proteins), whereas the control group >>>>> (n = 21) was assigned to a similar diet containing 70% animal proteins >>>>> and 30% vegetable proteins. Duration of the study was 4 years. >>>>> The soy protein group fared better than the control group regarding >>>>> effects on cardiovascular risk factors. Mean change in the soy protein >>>>> vs control groups for fasting plasma glucose levels was >>>>> -18 � 3 vs 11 � 2 mg/dL (P = .03); for total cholesterol levels, >>>>> -23 � 5 vs 10 � 3 mg/dL (P =.01); for low-density lipoprotein (LDL) >>>>> cholesterol levels, -20 � 5 vs 6 � 2 mg/dL (P = .01); and for serum >>>>> triglyceride levels, -24 � 6 vs -5 � 2 mg/dL (P = .01). >>>>> Compared with the control group, the soy protein group also had >>>>> greater decreases in serum CRP levels (1.31 � 0.6 vs 0.33 � 0.1 mg/L; >>>>> P = .02) and significant reductions in proteinuria (-0.15 � 0.03 vs >>>>> 0.02 � 0.01 g/day; >>>>> P = .001) and urinary creatinine levels (-1.5 � 0.9 vs 0.6 � 0.3 mg/ >>>>> dL; P = .01). >>>>> Limitations of the study include evaluation of only CRP rather than >>>>> other inflammatory markers, evaluation of only a single dosage range >>>>> and formulation of soy protein, lack of data on the effects of soy >>>>> protein according to estrogen receptor genotype, and measurement of >>>>> urinary urea nitrogen and urinary creatinine as concentrations rather >>>>> than as 24-hour excretions. >>>>> "Longitudinal soy protein consumption significantly affected >>>>> cardiovascular risk factors and kidney-related biomarkers among type 2 >>>>> diabetic patients with nephropathy," the study authors write. "As >>>>> diabetic nephropathy is a progressive disease, we expected that the >>>>> conditions of these patients would have gotten worse after 4 years, >>>>> but because of medical and dietary control, their conditions improved >>>>> in some respects." >>>>> The costs of publication of this article were defrayed in part by the >>>>> payment of page charges, mandating that it must therefore be hereby >>>>> marked "advertisement" solely to indicate this fact. >>>>> Diabetes Care. 2008;31:648-654. >>>>> Clinical Context >>>>> Diet is a cornerstone of the management of diabetes, and the authors >>>>> of the current study previously demonstrated that the inclusion of soy >>>>> and vegetable protein can improve laboratory variables in the short >>>>> term among patients with diabetes. They performed a crossover clinical >>>>> trial among 14 patients with diabetes and nephropathy, which was >>>>> published in the October 2003 issue of the European Journal of >>>>> Clinical Nutrition. In this study, the use of a diet in which 35% of >>>>> the protein was derived from soy and another 30% from vegetable >>>>> sources improved levels of total cholesterol, triglycerides, and LDL >>>>> cholesterol after 7 weeks. The soy and vegetable protein diet also >>>>> reduced proteinuria but did not affect levels of high-density >>>>> lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol. >>>>> The current study observes a larger patient cohort for a longer period >>>>> to determine the significance of a soy protein diet among patients >>>>> with type 2 diabetes and nephropathy. >>>>> Study Highlights >>>>> Participants in the current study had type 2 diabetes and proteinuria, >>>>> with a total urinary protein excretion between 300 and 1000 mg/day. >>>>> Participants' serum creatinine level was between 1 and 2.5 mg/dL, and >>>>> the serum urea nitrogen level was between 20 and 40 mg/dL. Subjects' >>>>> systolic and diastolic blood pressure was greater than 140 and 90 mm >>>>> Hg, respectively. >>>>> Subjects were randomized to a control diet consisting of 0.8 g protein/ >>>>> kg body weight, with 70% animal protein and 30% vegetable protein; or >>>>> a soy protein group consisting of 0.8 g protein/kg body weight, with >>>>> 35% animal protein, 35% soy protein, and 30% vegetable proteins. >>>>> Participants received visits with a dietician to encourage adherence >>>>> to their randomized diet. >>>>> The outcomes of the study were renal function, degree of proteinuria, >>>>> serum lipid levels, and CRP levels. These outcomes were assessed every >>>>> 6 months for 4 years. >>>>> 41 participants provided data for analysis. 43% of subjects were men, >>>>> and the mean age of subjects was 62.1 years. The mean duration of >>>>> diabetes was 10 years, and the mean glycated hemoglobin level was >>>>> 6.2%. >>>>> There was no difference in total mean energy intake or activity levels >>>>> between groups during the trial. >>>>> Mean body weight was similar between diet groups at 4 years. >>>>> Mean fasting plasma glucose levels decreased by 18 mg/dL in the soy >>>>> protein diet group but increased by 11 mg/dL in the control group, >>>>> which is a significant difference. >>>>> Total cholesterol levels decreased by 23 mg/dL in the soy protein diet >>>>> group and increased by 5 mg/dL in the control group, which was also >>>>> statistically significant. LDL cholesterol and triglyceride levels >>>>> also were reduced more significantly in the soy protein vs the control >>>>> diet groups. HDL cholesterol levels were similar in both groups. >>>>> CRP levels decreased by 1.31 in the soy protein diet group and 0.33 in >>>>> the control group, which is a significant difference. >>>>> Proteinuria decreased slightly in the soy protein diet group and >>>>> increased slightly in the control group, and this difference was also >>>>> statistically significant. >>>>> Urinary urea nitrogen and urinary creatinine levels were improved in >>>>> the soy protein vs control diet groups, but serum creatinine and serum >>>>> urea nitrogen levels and the glomerular filtration rate were similar >>>>> at 4 years between groups. >>>>> The favorable effects of the soy protein diet on proteinuria were >>>>> independent of its effects on plasma glucose, but not lipid, levels. >>>>> Pearls for Practice >>>>> A small trial of a soy-based and vegetable-based protein diet among >>>>> patients with diabetes and nephropathy demonstrated that this diet >>>>> could reduce levels of total cholesterol, triglycerides, and LDL >>>>> cholesterol and decrease proteinuria in the short term. >>>>> The current study finds that a soy protein diet can reduce levels of >>>>> fasting plasma glucose, cholesterol, and CRP and decrease proteinuria >>>>> vs a control diet among patients with type 2 diabetes and nephropathy. >>>>> However, body weight was similar between the 2 groups. >>> I don't get it. What were the experimenters' conclusions? >>> -- >>> Marshall Price of Miami >>> Known to Yahoo as d021317c- Hide quoted text - >>> - Show quoted text - > > Old ironinjustice is nothing if nor smug. > > Who does he love? No one other than > himself and then that is even in question. > > Back to the topic. > The question I wonder is about is the nature > of the control diet. Was it a SAD (standard > American diet)? It doesn't take much to > improve on SAD. Better competation to > a soy diet would be low carb diet based > on low carb veggies, certain nuts and specific seeds, > red meat, and cold water oceanic wild caught fish, plus a little > diary. > > For Tom. > Jesus loved roasted lamb with bitter herbs. Did you see "King Corn" on "Independent Lens" last night? It was a real eye-opener for me. I remember seeing feed lots in the distance, as I drove along an interstate highway through the western states, and smelling the ammonia they gave off in my car, even though I had the windows closed. I knew it must be unhealthy for the cattle. What I didn't know is that the industry intentionally drives them into a lethal disease condition before killing them, in order to make their muscles bigger and fattier. For some reason, perhaps because of their inactivity, I'd assumed the cattle lived pleasant, comfortable lives. Nothing could be farther from the truth! Here in Florida, America's biggest dairy state, I've seen the corpses of dairy cattle lying in fields while vultures circled overhead. Here, too, perhaps because so many cows were lying in the pastures, bellies and udders bulging, placidly chewing their cuds, I assumed they were content. Whether contented or exhausted, they too may be intentionally driven into terribly distressing pathological states for the sake of maximizing the profitability of ruthless, vicious business enterprises. Now I wonder whether anybody cares about their happiness or suffering, whether there's any way to tell how they feel, and whether, intentionally or not, we may be inflicting tremendous cruelty upon them. -- Marshall Price of Miami Known to Yahoo as d021317c
From: ironjustice on 16 Apr 2008 13:26 On Apr 16, 10:14 am, Marshall Price <d0213...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:I remember seeing feed lots in the distance, as I drove along an interstate highway through ... << The protein they are getting for these feedlots and I've heard they are feeding them homeless people .. but .. that hasn't been .. proven .. Protein pellets .. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > trigonometry1...(a)gmail.com | wrote: > > On Apr 6, 9:05 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> On Apr 6, 3:06 pm, Marshall Price <d0213...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:I don't > >> get it.  What were the experimenters' conclusions? << > > >> I'll give you a tip .. > > >> Article reading .. 101 .. > > >> Usually the conclusion is found at the bottom of the article .. > > >> "The current study finds that a soy protein diet can reduce levels of > >>  fasting plasma glucose, cholesterol, and CRP and decrease proteinuria > >>  vs a control diet among patients with type 2 diabetes and > >> nephropathy. > >>  However, body weight was similar between the 2 groups." > > >> Now if you don't understand the short little four line paragraph > >> above .. buddy .. you are .. S=O=L .. > > >> Just kidding .. Marshall .. > > >> It says .. "soy protein diet good" .. > > >> I'll .. assume you know the study was done in those with .. > >> nephropathy and type 2 diabetes. > > >> Nephropathy is .. kidney disease .. > > >> Who loves ya. > >> Tom > > >> Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh > > >> Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 > > >> DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > > >>> I don't get it.  What were the experimenters' conclusions? > >>> spam.st...(a)yahoo.fr wrote: > >>>> ironjustice wrote: > >>>>>http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/572440 > >>>>> April 3, 2008 -- Intake of soy protein had beneficial effects on > >>>>> cardiovascular risk factors and kidney-related biomarkers in patients > >>>>> with type 2 diabetes and nephropathy, according to the results of a > >>>>> longitudinal, randomized trial published in the April issue of > >>>>> Diabetes Care. > >>>>> "Several short-term trials on the effect of soy consumption on > >>>>> cardiovascular risks are available, but little evidence exists > >>>>> regarding the impact of long-term soy protein consumption among type 2 > >>>>> diabetic patients with nephropathy," write Leila Azadbakht, PhD, from > >>>>> the Isfahan University of Medical Sciences in Isfahan, Iran, and > >>>>> colleagues. "To determine the effects of long-term soy consumption on > >>>>> cardiovascular risks, we measured C-reactive protein (CRP) and kidney > >>>>> function indexes among type 2 diabetic patients with nephropathy." > >>>>> Of 41 patients with type 2 diabetes and nephropathy who were enrolled > >>>>> in this study, 18 were men and 23 were women. The soy protein group (n > >>>>> = 20) was assigned to a diet containing 0.8 g protein/kg body weight > >>>>> (35% animal proteins, 35% textured soy protein, and 30% vegetable > >>>>> proteins), whereas the control group > >>>>> (n = 21) was assigned to a similar diet containing 70% animal proteins > >>>>> and 30% vegetable proteins. Duration of the study was 4 years. > >>>>> The soy protein group fared better than the control group regarding > >>>>> effects on cardiovascular risk factors. Mean change in the soy protein > >>>>> vs control groups for fasting plasma glucose levels was > >>>>> -18 � 3 vs 11 � 2 mg/dL (P = .03); for total cholesterol levels, > >>>>> -23 � 5 vs 10 � 3 mg/dL (P =.01); for low-density lipoprotein (LDL) > >>>>> cholesterol levels, -20 � 5 vs 6 � 2 mg/dL (P = .01); and for serum > >>>>> triglyceride levels, -24 � 6 vs -5 � 2 mg/dL (P = ..01). > >>>>> Compared with the control group, the soy protein group also had > >>>>> greater decreases in serum CRP levels (1.31 � 0.6 vs 0.33 � 0.1 mg/L; > >>>>> P = .02) and significant reductions in proteinuria (-0.15 � 0.03 vs > >>>>> 0.02 � 0.01 g/day; > >>>>> P = .001) and urinary creatinine levels (-1.5 � 0.9 vs 0.6 � 0.3 mg/ > >>>>> dL; P = .01). > >>>>> Limitations of the study include evaluation of only CRP rather than > >>>>> other inflammatory markers, evaluation of only a single dosage range > >>>>> and formulation of soy protein, lack of data on the effects of soy > >>>>> protein according to estrogen receptor genotype, and measurement of > >>>>> urinary urea nitrogen and urinary creatinine as concentrations rather > >>>>> than as 24-hour excretions. > >>>>> "Longitudinal soy protein consumption significantly affected > >>>>> cardiovascular risk factors and kidney-related biomarkers among type 2 > >>>>> diabetic patients with nephropathy," the study authors write. "As > >>>>> diabetic nephropathy is a progressive disease, we expected that the > >>>>> conditions of these patients would have gotten worse after 4 years, > >>>>> but because of medical and dietary control, their conditions improved > >>>>> in some respects." > >>>>> The costs of publication of this article were defrayed in part by the > >>>>> payment of page charges, mandating that it must therefore be hereby > >>>>> marked "advertisement" solely to indicate this fact. > >>>>> Diabetes Care. 2008;31:648-654. > >>>>> Clinical Context > >>>>> Diet is a cornerstone of the management of diabetes, and the authors > >>>>> of the current study previously demonstrated that the inclusion of soy > >>>>> and vegetable protein can improve laboratory variables in the short > >>>>> term among patients with diabetes. They performed a crossover clinical > >>>>> trial among 14 patients with diabetes and nephropathy, which was > >>>>> published in the October 2003 issue of the European Journal of > >>>>> Clinical Nutrition. In this study, the use of a diet in which 35% of > >>>>> the protein was derived from soy and another 30% from vegetable > >>>>> sources improved levels of total cholesterol, triglycerides, and LDL > >>>>> cholesterol after 7 weeks. The soy and vegetable protein diet also > >>>>> reduced proteinuria but did not affect levels of high-density > >>>>> lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol. > >>>>> The current study observes a larger patient cohort for a longer period > >>>>> to determine the significance of a soy protein diet among patients > >>>>> with type 2 diabetes and nephropathy. > >>>>> Study Highlights > >>>>> Participants in the current study had type 2 diabetes and proteinuria, > >>>>> with a total urinary protein excretion between 300 and 1000 mg/day. > >>>>> Participants' serum creatinine level was between 1 and 2.5 mg/dL, and > >>>>> the serum urea nitrogen level was between 20 and 40 mg/dL. Subjects' > >>>>> systolic and diastolic blood pressure was greater than 140 and 90 mm > >>>>> Hg, respectively. > >>>>> Subjects were randomized to a control diet consisting of 0.8 g protein/ > >>>>> kg body weight, with 70% animal protein and 30% vegetable protein; or > >>>>> a soy protein group consisting of 0.8 g protein/kg body weight, with > >>>>> 35% animal protein, 35% soy protein, and 30% vegetable proteins. > >>>>> Participants received visits with a dietician to encourage adherence > >>>>> to their randomized diet. > >>>>> The outcomes of the study were renal function, degree of proteinuria, > >>>>> serum lipid levels, and CRP levels. These outcomes were assessed every > >>>>> 6 months for 4 years. > >>>>> 41 participants provided data for analysis. 43% of subjects were men, > >>>>> and the mean age of subjects was 62.1 years. The mean duration of > >>>>> diabetes was 10 years, and the mean glycated hemoglobin level was > >>>>> 6.2%. > >>>>> There was no difference in total mean energy intake or activity levels > >>>>> between groups during the trial. > >>>>> Mean body weight was similar between diet groups at 4 years. > >>>>> Mean fasting plasma glucose levels decreased by 18 mg/dL in the soy > >>>>> protein diet group but increased by 11 mg/dL in the control group, > >>>>> which is a significant difference. > >>>>> Total cholesterol levels decreased by 23 mg/dL in the soy protein diet > >>>>> group and increased by 5 mg/dL in the control group, which was also > >>>>> statistically significant. LDL cholesterol and triglyceride levels > >>>>> also were reduced more significantly in the soy protein vs the control > >>>>> diet groups. HDL cholesterol levels were similar in both groups. > >>>>> CRP levels decreased by 1.31 in the soy protein diet group and 0.33 in > >>>>> the control group, which is a significant difference. > >>>>> Proteinuria decreased slightly in the soy protein diet group and > >>>>> increased slightly in the control group, and this difference was also > >>>>> statistically significant. > >>>>> Urinary urea nitrogen and urinary creatinine levels were improved in > >>>>> the soy protein vs control diet groups, but serum creatinine and serum > >>>>> urea nitrogen levels and the glomerular filtration rate were similar > >>>>> at 4 years between groups. > >>>>> The favorable effects of the soy protein diet on proteinuria were > >>>>> independent of its effects on plasma glucose, but not lipid, levels. > >>>>> Pearls for Practice > >>>>> A small trial of a soy-based and vegetable-based protein diet among > >>>>> patients with diabetes and nephropathy demonstrated that this diet > >>>>> could reduce levels of total cholesterol, triglycerides, and LDL > >>>>> cholesterol and decrease proteinuria in the short term. > >>>>> The current study finds that a soy protein diet can reduce levels of > >>>>> fasting plasma glucose, cholesterol, and CRP and decrease proteinuria > >>>>> vs a control diet among patients with type 2 diabetes and nephropathy. > >>>>> However, body weight was similar between the 2 groups. > >>> I don't get it.  What were the experimenters' conclusions? > >>> -- > >>> Marshall Price of Miami > >>> Known to Yahoo as d021317c- Hide quoted text - > >>> - Show quoted text - > > > Old ironinjustice is nothing if nor smug. > > > Who does he love? No one other than > > himself and then that is even in question. > > > Back to the topic. > > The question I wonder is about is the nature > > of the control diet. Was it a SAD (standard > > American diet)? It doesn't take much to > > improve on SAD. Better competation to > > a soy diet would be low carb diet based > > on low carb veggies, certain nuts and specific seeds, > >  red meat, and cold water oceanic wild caught fish, plus a little > > diary. > > > For Tom. > > Jesus loved roasted lamb with bitter herbs. > > Did you see "King Corn" on "Independent Lens" last night?  It was a real > eye-opener for me. > > I remember seeing feed lots in the distance, as I drove along an > interstate highway through ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
From: trigonometry1972 on 17 Apr 2008 11:46 Thats not too fair from true. Evidently some road kill makes into the food cycle. Certainly deer can carry prions and they are amongst the road kill. Given how the great laboratories the various State government behave toward the poor, the recycling humans is just imaginable especially in Alabama and Texas.
From: trigonometry1972 on 17 Apr 2008 11:54
Try living near to one of the mature piles/feed lots. The stink can cover of miles of terriitory. |