From: JohnDoe on
marcia wrote:

> Mark Probert wrote:
>
>>>What, other than vaccine, could possibly account for such a dramatic
>>>decline in mumps and chicken pox cases (in the US, at least) during my
>>>lifetime?
>>>
>>
>>Many of the anti-vacs peg the decline as beginning in around 1955.
>>
>>I note that this was the year the first McDonald's opened under Ray
>>Kroc, and, clearly, that was the cause.
>>
>>I am using pure anti-vac logic in this analysis.
>
>
> Nice logic. :) I'm completely bemused by this whole anti-vac movement.
> I was aware of it, but assumed it mainly consisted of anxious mothers
> who just needed some reassurance and education.
>
> Boy, have my eyes been opened here. :D

Wait until you get to from the faulty (and plain weird) logic to the
lies. To name a few:
- they tried to get the Catholic Church to oppose vaccination by
claiming aborted fetuses are used in the production of vaccines;
- they claim that some vaccines are colored pink because they contain
ground up monkey kidneys;
- they claim that vaccines can cause brain hemorrhage that is mistaken
for shaken baby syndrome (and apparently, that they can cause broken
ribs in babies), look up the Alan Yurko case.
Then you'll understand why they're referred to as 'anti-vac *liars*' and
as people who like to see children suffering from preventable diseases.
From: Peter Bowditch on
"marcia" <design1(a)insight.rr.com> wrote:

>
>Mark Probert wrote:
>> > What, other than vaccine, could possibly account for such a dramatic
>> > decline in mumps and chicken pox cases (in the US, at least) during my
>> > lifetime?
>> >
>>
>> Many of the anti-vacs peg the decline as beginning in around 1955.
>>
>> I note that this was the year the first McDonald's opened under Ray
>> Kroc, and, clearly, that was the cause.
>>
>> I am using pure anti-vac logic in this analysis.
>
>Nice logic. :) I'm completely bemused by this whole anti-vac movement.
>I was aware of it, but assumed it mainly consisted of anxious mothers
>who just needed some reassurance and education.
>
>Boy, have my eyes been opened here. :D

A whole asylum full of anti-vaccination liars at
http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/vaxliars1.htm

I have visited people inside secure wards in mental hospitals. Nobody
I ever met inside was as insane (or as dangerous) as some of the
anti-vaccinators I have met and corresponded with.

--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
From: Jan Drew on

"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname(a)ratbags.com> wrote in message
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> "marcia" <design1(a)insight.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Mark Probert wrote:
>>> > What, other than vaccine, could possibly account for such a dramatic
>>> > decline in mumps and chicken pox cases (in the US, at least) during my
>>> > lifetime?
>>> >
>>>
>>> Many of the anti-vacs peg the decline as beginning in around 1955.
>>>
>>> I note that this was the year the first McDonald's opened under Ray
>>> Kroc, and, clearly, that was the cause.
>>>
>>> I am using pure anti-vac logic in this analysis.
>>
>>Nice logic. :) I'm completely bemused by this whole anti-vac movement.
>>I was aware of it, but assumed it mainly consisted of anxious mothers
>>who just needed some reassurance and education.
>>
>>Boy, have my eyes been opened here. :D
>
> A whole asylum full of anti-vaccination liars at
> http://www.ratbags.com/rsolesLIAR
>
>
> --
> Peter Bowditch


From: john on

"Rich" <joshew(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
As for your theory of decline of mortality/morbidity, smallpox was deadly to
> the end, as evidenced by the fact that in the last outbreak in Europe
> about one in four who contracted the disease died, about the same rate of
> mortality smallpox has always had, despite the availability of good
> medical care.
> --

Now get the real facts--dangers http://www.whale.to/v/smallpox2.html


From: john on

"Rich" <joshew(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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Historically
> smallpox has killed more people than all other infectious diseases
> combined, and it has not been associated with poor sanitation or poverty.

Now get the real story: ["The town of Leicester rejected vaccination in
favour of sanitation. Her experience during the past fifty years makes
nonsense of the claims of the pro-vaccinists. When her population was
thoroughly vaccinated she suffered severely from smallpox. As vaccination
declined to one per cent of the infants born, smallpox disappeared
altogether."---- Lilly Loat [Book 1951] The Truth About Vaccination and
Immunization] http://www.whale.to/a/sanitation.html


>Where the disease has been endemic, princes and paupers alike have been
>afflicted. Now, nobody dies of smallpox, and the disfigured faces of the
>survivors are seen only on those old enough to have had the disease in the
>distant past.

Now get the real story: [Pock-marked faces depend, not upon vaccinal
condition, but upon the treatment of the patients, and their occurrence
after small-pox is a proof of inefficient medical knowledge and improper
nursing, or both combined. The less, therefore, said about the absence of
pock-marked faces being due to, and an argument in favour of, vaccination,
the better. The facts entirely refute the validity of such a
claim. ---LEICESTER: SANITATION versus VACCINATION BY J.T. BIGGS J.P.]
http://www.whale.to/a/pock.html



> As for your theory of decline of mortality/morbidity, smallpox was deadly
> to the end, as evidenced by the fact that in the last outbreak in Europe
> about one in four who contracted the disease died, about the same rate of
> mortality smallpox has always had, despite the availability of good
> medical care.

Now get the real story: Case mortality http://www.whale.to/a/case.html
[Case mortality (death rate per cases of smallpox) ranged from as much as
26.8% in Japan (see table 21) where revaccination was enforced to 1.26
(averaging 5.1) under the Leicester Method where vaccination was rejected in
favour of sanitation, and 0% under homeopathic care.]


..acahf.org.au
> http://www.quackwatch.org/
> http://www.skeptic.com/
> http://www.csicop.org/
>
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