From: Jan Drew on
Mark proves he is a liar once again....

"Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:O70ag.7$RM1.6(a)fe12.lga...
> Jan Drew wrote:
>> Mark Probert wrote:
>>> Max C. wrote:
>>>> Mark Probert wrote:
>>>>> Max C. wrote:
>>>>>> Mark Probert wrote:
>>>>>>> (They would not be worn out if *S*o *C*alled *A*lternative
>>>>>>> *M*edicine
>>>>>>> had some form of basis in reality.)
>>>>>> So Alternative Medicine is a S C A M? Is that what you're implying
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> emphasizing those letters?
>>
>> NO reply. Mark can NOT answer.
>
> Incorrect. You snipped my answer. I pointed out that Max posted opinions,
> and that, according to Max, you do not have to respond to opinions.
>
>>
>>
>> Does that apply to all alternative
>>>>>> therapies?
>>
>> NO reply. Mark can NOT answer.
>
>
> Incorrect. You snipped my answer. I pointed out that Max posted opinions,
> and that, according to Max, you do not have to respond to opinions.
>
>
>>
>>
>> Many, if not most alternative practitioners focus on
>>>>>> nutrition and its role in human health. Are you saying that good
>>>>>> nutrition is a scam?
>>
>> NO reply. Mark can NOT answer.
>
>
> Incorrect. You snipped my answer. I pointed out that Max posted opinions,
> and that, according to Max, you do not have to respond to opinions.
>
>>
>> Are you saying the chiropractors are scam
>>>>>> artists?
>>
>>
>> NO reply. Mark can NOT answer.
>
>
> Incorrect. You snipped my answer. I pointed out that Max posted opinions,
> and that, according to Max, you do not have to respond to opinions.
>
>> Your sweeping generalization requires some specificity,
>>>>>> because if you really believe that modern medical professionals are
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> only ones qualified to heal the human body, most readers in the
>>>>>> alternative news groups will have had enough personal experience with
>>>>>> alternative practitioners to think of you as a quack.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You see, that's exactly what the pharma hounds and FDA lap dogs of
>>>>>> yesteryear preached. Many of these "experts" testified in court that
>>>>>> the absence of vitamins and minerals from the human diet could not
>>>>>> cause degenerative, functional or infectious disease. Of course, we
>>>>>> now know beyond a doubt that such testimony is pure rubbish. Even
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> average person on the street understands that vitamins and minerals
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> required for good health.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, what exactly do you mean by your above statement?
>>
>> NO reply. Mark can NOT answer.
>
>
> Incorrect. You snipped my answer. I pointed out that Max posted opinions,
> and that, according to Max, you do not have to respond to opinions.
>
>>
>>>>> I am sorry, your post did not contain any facts, just your opinion.
>>>> Ah, the ol' question dodge game. Sorry, but that wasn't my opinion.
>>> I consider it an opinion and that is all that I need.
>>
>> NO replies Mark could NOT answer.
>
>
> Incorrect. You snipped my answer. I pointed out that Max posted opinions,
> and that, according to Max, you do not have to respond to opinions.
>
>>> See? I learned your dodge real good!
>>
>> Poor Mark.
>
>
> Incorrect. You snipped my answer. I pointed out that Max posted opinions,
> and that, according to Max, you do not have to respond to opinions.
>
>>>> It's an exact account of what happened the first time Dr. Royal Lee was
>>>> hauled to court by the FDA. The FDA brought "experts" that testified
>>>> in court that the absence of vitamins and minerals from the human diet
>>>> could not cause degenerative, functional or infectious disease. I've
>>>> listened to a lecture of Dr. Lee's explaining the entire case in
>>>> detail. You can see a sample of his story here:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.galaxynutrients.com/category_s/39.htm
>>>> "This is nothing new for Dr. Nelson. Ten years ago he, with his group
>>>> of experts, testified in a similar court, that neither degenerative
>>>> disease, infectious disease, nor functional disease could result from
>>>> any nutritional deficiency."
>>>>
>>>> So, my post did not contain my opinion at all. Now, answer the
>>>> questions.
>>>>
>>>> Max.
>>

From: marcia on

Jan Drew wrote:
> Well, I really didn't expect you to LIE.
>
> I am not on SSD.
>
> I am not bipolar 2, have nightmares, nor hypomanic and depressed episodes.
>
> Not in the process of getting off drugs, or weigh gain issues.
>
> I have never made posts like yours:
>
> *Typical right-winged diatribe:
>
> Demonstrates complete inability to tolerate opposing opinions
> Hurls insults rather than composing thoughtful rhetoric
> Exhibits threatening and vindictive behavior
>
>
> Dad? Is that you?*

Wow! Talk about lies! And YOU are the one pertrating them. Please
provide a pointer to messages in Google groups where I said anything
above the asterisk (*Typical right-winged diatribe).

The last part I said, although you have taken it out of context of both
my message *and* the thread. Please provide a pointer to the thread
where that bit of dialogue occurred.

Failure to do so will constitute evidence that you warp the truth,
misquote, manipulate and lie in order to discredit people who take
offense at your posting practices and have the nerve to say so. You
can't handle criticism. And your behavior indicates your mental
problems are far worse than mine. At least mine can be controlled with
medication. Alas, your personality disorder is so deeply ingrained that
you are stuck with it forever.

I would like to add to my list about certain "religious" people's
behavior:

....judgmental, hypocritical, rude, untrustworthy, untruthful,
inconsiderate, prejudiced, narcissistic, discriminatory, hateful,
petty, self-righteous, unethical, immoral, licentious...

and this last one I reserve particularly for you: evil.

You may quote me on that. :)

From: marcia on

Jan Drew wrote:
> "marcia" <design1(a)insight.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:1147702420.114788.110100(a)g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > I don't think *I'm* the one with problems and issues, Jan. You might
> > want to take a good look in the mirror. That's all I wish to say. :)
>
> Well, I really didn't expect you to LIE.
>
> I am not on SSD.
>
> I am not bipolar 2, have nightmares, nor hypomanic and depressed episodes.
>
> Not in the process of getting off drugs, or weigh gain issues.


Oh, I forgot to mention your superiority complex. Are you suggesting
you are better than me, or that your credibility is higher, because you
aren't on disability?

Being on disability doesn't make me any less human, any less educated,
any less intelligent, any less entitled to my opinion, or any less able
to detect an evil, manipulative shrew when I encounter one.

Being bipolar 2 means I don't have full-blown psychotic manic episodes.
Got news for you: there are a lot of professionals out there in *EVERY*
line of work (yes, doctors, lawyers, etc.) who have bipolar disorder.
ALL people with bipolar disorder have hypomanic and depressive
episodes; that's the hallmark of the disorder. You're simply being
redundant. Incidentally, that you would consider my diagnosis grounds
for discrediting my comments only demonstrates how ignorant,
narrow-minded, judgmental, petty, discriminatory and hateful you really
are.

I believe the comment about nightmares was relative to the side-effects
of medication. Please provide a pointer to any thread that says
otherwise.

I believe I said I was "changing medication," not "getting off drugs."
I do not do illegal drugs, nor do I abuse prescription medication, and
if you believe otherwise, please provide a pointer to a message that
supports your view.

I gained weight on a particular medication, and have already lost 15
pounds since discontinuing it. So what? Do you feel superior because
you didn't gain weight on medication? Or do you think I'm *obese*
(which I'm not), and feel pointing that out diminishes my credibility
somehow? You only reveal your prejudices.

And what LIE are you talking about? I have never denied *any* of those
things. Nevertheless, I stand by my statement that you have worse
problems than I do. You may be undiagnosed (I'm sure you'd never let
anyone near enough to evaluate you mentally), but that doesn't mean you
don't have problems. Huge problems. Huge, obvious problems.

You may masquerade as a Christian, but your actions indicate you're
anything but.

You are also a total waste of my time, not to mention bandwidth, and
air.

From: Mark Probert on
Jan Drew wrote:
> Mark proves he is a liar once again....

Jan, this is not in the spirit of Live and Let Live.
From: Mark Probert on
marcia wrote:
> Jan Drew wrote:
>> "marcia" <design1(a)insight.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:1147702420.114788.110100(a)g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>> I don't think *I'm* the one with problems and issues, Jan. You might
>>> want to take a good look in the mirror. That's all I wish to say. :)
>> Well, I really didn't expect you to LIE.
>>
>> I am not on SSD.
>>
>> I am not bipolar 2, have nightmares, nor hypomanic and depressed episodes.
>>
>> Not in the process of getting off drugs, or weigh gain issues.
>
>
> Oh, I forgot to mention your superiority complex. Are you suggesting
> you are better than me, or that your credibility is higher, because you
> aren't on disability?
>
> Being on disability doesn't make me any less human, any less educated,
> any less intelligent, any less entitled to my opinion, or any less able
> to detect an evil, manipulative shrew when I encounter one.

I must tell you that Jan has made some comments that could be inferred
to be slurs about people who are disabled with emotional problems.

>
> Being bipolar 2 means I don't have full-blown psychotic manic episodes.
> Got news for you: there are a lot of professionals out there in *EVERY*
> line of work (yes, doctors, lawyers, etc.) who have bipolar disorder.
> ALL people with bipolar disorder have hypomanic and depressive
> episodes; that's the hallmark of the disorder. You're simply being
> redundant. Incidentally, that you would consider my diagnosis grounds
> for discrediting my comments only demonstrates how ignorant,
> narrow-minded, judgmental, petty, discriminatory and hateful you really
> are.
>
> I believe the comment about nightmares was relative to the side-effects
> of medication. Please provide a pointer to any thread that says
> otherwise.
>
> I believe I said I was "changing medication," not "getting off drugs."
> I do not do illegal drugs, nor do I abuse prescription medication, and
> if you believe otherwise, please provide a pointer to a message that
> supports your view.
>
> I gained weight on a particular medication, and have already lost 15
> pounds since discontinuing it. So what? Do you feel superior because
> you didn't gain weight on medication? Or do you think I'm *obese*
> (which I'm not), and feel pointing that out diminishes my credibility
> somehow? You only reveal your prejudices.
>
> And what LIE are you talking about? I have never denied *any* of those
> things. Nevertheless, I stand by my statement that you have worse
> problems than I do. You may be undiagnosed (I'm sure you'd never let
> anyone near enough to evaluate you mentally), but that doesn't mean you
> don't have problems. Huge problems. Huge, obvious problems.
>
> You may masquerade as a Christian, but your actions indicate you're
> anything but.
>
> You are also a total waste of my time, not to mention bandwidth, and
> air.
>