From: Jan Drew on

"Rich" wrote:
>
> "john" <scu23(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:F8CdnYFjqNOO58LZRVnytQ(a)bt.com...
>>
>> "Vaccine-man" <ziggittes(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1147103515.617706.226550(a)j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>> Smallpox is a harmless disease?
>>>
>>
>> under proper medical care, not from you in other words
>>
>> "Not one case receiving homeopathic care died, while the "old school"
>> doctors lost twenty percent of their (smallpox) cases.....I gave about
>> three hundred internal vaccinations, five to adults acting as practical
>> nurses; to the man who installed the telephone and lights in the
>> pest-house; to mothers who slept with their children while they had
>> smallpox in its severest form. All of these people, exposed daily, were
>> immune."--W. L. Bonnell, MD http://www.whale.to/v/bonnell.html
>>
>> "Dr. Russell T. Trall, the eminent Natural Hygienist, considered smallpox
>> "as essentially . . . not a dangerous disease." He cared for large
>> numbers of patients afflicted with smallpox and never lost a case. Under
>> conventional medical treatment, patients were drugged heroically, bled
>> profusely, were smothered in blankets, wallowed in dirty linen, were
>> allowed no water, fresh air and stuffed with milk, brandy or wine.
>> Antimony and Mercury were medicated in large doses. Physicians kept their
>> patients bundled up warm in bed, with the room heated and doors and
>> windows carefully closed, so that not a breath of fresh air could get in,
>> and given freely large doses of drugs to induce sweating (Sudorifics),
>> plus wine and aromatized liquors. Fever patients were put into vaporbath
>> chambers in order to sweat the impurities out of the system. Given no
>> water when they cried for it and when gasping for air were carried to a
>> dry-hot room and after a while were returned to the steam torture. Many
>> must have died of Heat Stroke!"--Dr Shelton DC
>> http://www.whale.to/vaccine/shelton.html
>>
>> "Both Press and Radio continue to preach that smallpox is a terribly
>> infectious and deadly scourge. They never tell us that " - . - provided
>> no mischief be done either by physician or nurse, it is the most safe and
>> slight of all diseases". (Dr. Thomas Sydenham, 1688).--Lionel Dole
>> http://www.whale.to/v/dole.html
>
> Right . . . All those native Americans who died by the millions in the
> fifteenth through eighteenth centuries, having no physicians or nurses to
> torture them to death, must have died of other, less "safe and slight"
> diseases. I wonder what "radio" preachers Dr. Sydenham was listening to in
> 1688, more than two centuries before Marconi's invention of radio.
>
>
>
>>
>> "Mr. Pickering, who treated cases at Gloucester by the "water cure"
>> method, declared that his fatality rate was as low as 2 per cent."----
>> Lilly Loat [Book 1951] The Truth About Vaccination and Immunization
>>
>> unvaccinated case fatality-rate for the 1904 portion of the Leicester
>> epidemic, of only 1.6 per cent. http://www.whale.to/a/biggs.html
>>
>>
>>
>> and that is without vitamin c as medicine
>> http://www.whale.to/a/levy4.html
>>
>>
>
> Bullshit!

Warning:

Her comes *organized medicine* worn out words:

These are smug claims that aren't even backed up with anecdotal
> evidence. All credible sources ....

*Substantial* *real* *solid* *convincing* *hard* *clear-cut* *reasonable*
*significant* *credibile* *compelling* *copious* *direct*

<snip>
> --
>
>
> --Rich
>
> Recommended *Bullshit* websites:

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From: Jan Drew on
Excellent! John.

"john" <scu23(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Rich" <joshew(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:5KS8g.217$9W5.86(a)tornado.socal.rr.com...
>>
>
>>
>> Right . . . All those native Americans who died by the millions in the
>> fifteenth through eighteenth centuries, having no physicians or nurses to
>> torture them to death, must have died of other, less "safe and slight"
>> diseases. I wonder what "radio" preachers Dr. Sydenham was listening to
>> in 1688, more than two centuries before Marconi's invention of radio.
>>
>> Bullshit! These are smug claims that aren't even backed up with anecdotal
>> evidence. All credible sources put the mortality rate for smallpox in the
>> 15% to 30% range, even with modern supportive care. Smallpox has
>> historically killed more people than any other infectious disease,
>> possibly more than all other infectious diseases together. It's a
>> hideously painful way to die, too; and the survivors are usually
>> monstrously disfigured as well.
>> --
>
> You need to see a hypnotist to get rid of that brainwashing.
> http://www.whale.to/vaccine/rationalization_h.html
>


From: Mark Probert on
Jan Drew wrote:
> "Rich" wrote:
>> "john" <scu23(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message
>> news:F8CdnYFjqNOO58LZRVnytQ(a)bt.com...
>>> "Vaccine-man" <ziggittes(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1147103515.617706.226550(a)j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>> Smallpox is a harmless disease?
>>>>
>>> under proper medical care, not from you in other words
>>>
>>> "Not one case receiving homeopathic care died, while the "old school"
>>> doctors lost twenty percent of their (smallpox) cases.....I gave about
>>> three hundred internal vaccinations, five to adults acting as practical
>>> nurses; to the man who installed the telephone and lights in the
>>> pest-house; to mothers who slept with their children while they had
>>> smallpox in its severest form. All of these people, exposed daily, were
>>> immune."--W. L. Bonnell, MD http://www.whale.to/v/bonnell.html
>>>
>>> "Dr. Russell T. Trall, the eminent Natural Hygienist, considered smallpox
>>> "as essentially . . . not a dangerous disease." He cared for large
>>> numbers of patients afflicted with smallpox and never lost a case. Under
>>> conventional medical treatment, patients were drugged heroically, bled
>>> profusely, were smothered in blankets, wallowed in dirty linen, were
>>> allowed no water, fresh air and stuffed with milk, brandy or wine.
>>> Antimony and Mercury were medicated in large doses. Physicians kept their
>>> patients bundled up warm in bed, with the room heated and doors and
>>> windows carefully closed, so that not a breath of fresh air could get in,
>>> and given freely large doses of drugs to induce sweating (Sudorifics),
>>> plus wine and aromatized liquors. Fever patients were put into vaporbath
>>> chambers in order to sweat the impurities out of the system. Given no
>>> water when they cried for it and when gasping for air were carried to a
>>> dry-hot room and after a while were returned to the steam torture. Many
>>> must have died of Heat Stroke!"--Dr Shelton DC
>>> http://www.whale.to/vaccine/shelton.html
>>>
>>> "Both Press and Radio continue to preach that smallpox is a terribly
>>> infectious and deadly scourge. They never tell us that " - . - provided
>>> no mischief be done either by physician or nurse, it is the most safe and
>>> slight of all diseases". (Dr. Thomas Sydenham, 1688).--Lionel Dole
>>> http://www.whale.to/v/dole.html
>> Right . . . All those native Americans who died by the millions in the
>> fifteenth through eighteenth centuries, having no physicians or nurses to
>> torture them to death, must have died of other, less "safe and slight"
>> diseases. I wonder what "radio" preachers Dr. Sydenham was listening to in
>> 1688, more than two centuries before Marconi's invention of radio.
>>
>>
>>
>>> "Mr. Pickering, who treated cases at Gloucester by the "water cure"
>>> method, declared that his fatality rate was as low as 2 per cent."----
>>> Lilly Loat [Book 1951] The Truth About Vaccination and Immunization
>>>
>>> unvaccinated case fatality-rate for the 1904 portion of the Leicester
>>> epidemic, of only 1.6 per cent. http://www.whale.to/a/biggs.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> and that is without vitamin c as medicine
>>> http://www.whale.to/a/levy4.html
>>>
>>>
>> Bullshit!
>
> Warning:
>
> Her comes *organized medicine* worn out words:

(They would not be worn out if *S*o *C*alled *A*lternative *M*edicine
had some form of basis in reality.)

>
> These are smug claims that aren't even backed up with anecdotal
>> evidence. All credible sources ....
>
> *Substantial* *real* *solid* *convincing* *hard* *clear-cut* *reasonable*
> *significant* *credibile* *compelling* *copious* *direct*
>
> <snip>

Bullshit! These are smug claims that aren't even backed up with
anecdotal evidence. All credible sources put the mortality rate for
smallpox in the 15% to 30% range, even with modern supportive care.
Smallpox has historically killed more people than any other infectious
disease, possibly more than all other infectious diseases together. It's
a hideously painful way to die, too; and the survivors are usually
monstrously disfigured as well.

>> --
>>
>>
>> --Rich
>>
>> Recommended *Bullshit* websites:
>
> deleted

RESTORED!


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From: Max C. on
Mark Probert wrote:
> (They would not be worn out if *S*o *C*alled *A*lternative *M*edicine
> had some form of basis in reality.)

So Alternative Medicine is a S C A M? Is that what you're implying by
emphasizing those letters? Does that apply to all alternative
therapies? Many, if not most alternative practitioners focus on
nutrition and its role in human health. Are you saying that good
nutrition is a scam? Are you saying the chiropractors are scam
artists? Your sweeping generalization requires some specificity,
because if you really believe that modern medical professionals are the
only ones qualified to heal the human body, most readers in the
alternative news groups will have had enough personal experience with
alternative practitioners to think of you as a quack.

You see, that's exactly what the pharma hounds and FDA lap dogs of
yesteryear preached. Many of these "experts" testified in court that
the absence of vitamins and minerals from the human diet could not
cause degenerative, functional or infectious disease. Of course, we
now know beyond a doubt that such testimony is pure rubbish. Even the
average person on the street understands that vitamins and minerals are
required for good health.

So, what exactly do you mean by your above statement?

Max.

From: Mark Probert on
Max C. wrote:
> Mark Probert wrote:
>> (They would not be worn out if *S*o *C*alled *A*lternative *M*edicine
>> had some form of basis in reality.)
>
> So Alternative Medicine is a S C A M? Is that what you're implying by
> emphasizing those letters? Does that apply to all alternative
> therapies? Many, if not most alternative practitioners focus on
> nutrition and its role in human health. Are you saying that good
> nutrition is a scam? Are you saying the chiropractors are scam
> artists? Your sweeping generalization requires some specificity,
> because if you really believe that modern medical professionals are the
> only ones qualified to heal the human body, most readers in the
> alternative news groups will have had enough personal experience with
> alternative practitioners to think of you as a quack.
>
> You see, that's exactly what the pharma hounds and FDA lap dogs of
> yesteryear preached. Many of these "experts" testified in court that
> the absence of vitamins and minerals from the human diet could not
> cause degenerative, functional or infectious disease. Of course, we
> now know beyond a doubt that such testimony is pure rubbish. Even the
> average person on the street understands that vitamins and minerals are
> required for good health.
>
> So, what exactly do you mean by your above statement?

I am sorry, your post did not contain any facts, just your opinion.