From: David Wright on
In article <1146948675.957280.98270(a)i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
Vaccine-man <ziggittes(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>If a malaria vaccine is ever developed, it will have to be used on
>everyone ever born in regions where it is endemic. Unlike smallpox,
>malaria (and TB, for that matter) is a zoonotic agent and persists in
>the environment. There's no way to eradicate it. Since smallpox only
>naturally infected humans, it could be eradicated. Other diseases, such
>as polio, measles and rubella, could also be eradicated by vaccination.
>Once eradicated, there would be no need to vaccinate for these diseases
>again. You'd think the anti-vacs would favor such a program - a little
>"evil" for a lot of "good".

You might think that, but you would be wrong. You see, the anti-vacs
*know* that vaccines either don't work at all, or do so much more harm
than good that their use is always Bad.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
-- Alice Roosevelt Longworth



From: David Wright on
In article <F7mdnXL4YrlI-MHZRVnyvw(a)bt.com>, john <scu23(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname(a)ratbags.com> wrote in message
>news:baam52tv16qnbs8hlpnv8859m6tmldi5t1(a)4ax.com...
>
>
>> Thanks for that, John, but it's a bit like calling me "Bowshit". Mr
>> O'Neill has done a much more comprehensive and imaginative job.
>>
>> http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/onews/statstributes.htm
>
>Can't beat my analysis, my main interest is psychology and human
>programming, one of my teachers was John Lilly, my best friend is a
>metapsychologist
>
>as to your comemnt on Dr K, you are very naive
>
>http://web.israelinsider.com/Views/3998.htm
>
> Every Sephardi child was to be given 35,000 times the maximum dose of
>x-rays through his head. For doing so, the American government paid the
>Israeli government 300 million Israeli liras a year. The entire Health
>budget was 60 million liras. The money paid by the Americans is equivalent
>to billions of dollars today. To fool the parents of the victims, the
>children were taken away on "school trips" and their parents were later told
>the x-rays were a treatment for the scourge of scalpal ringworm. 6,000 of
>the children died shortly after their doses were given, while many of the
>rest developed cancers that killed thousands over time and are still killing
>them now. While living, the victims suffered from disorders such as
>epilepsy, amnesia, Alzheimer's disease, chronic headaches and psychosis.
>.....The film presents a historian who first gives a potted history of the
>eugenics movement. In a later sound bite, he declares that the ringworm
>operation was a eugenics program aimed at weeding out the perceived weak
>strains of society.

I went to the trouble of reading the article john is lovingly
quoting. First off, it doesn't give any support to the nutball claims
of Kalikerinos et al. Second, it's a *review* of a documentary that
was shown in Israel a couple of years ago. (The review was written by
a man named Chamish.) Here's a response from one of the people who
read the original article:

This so-called 'review' is just the worst sort of conspiracy-
mongering, and if you google it, you'll find it has been picked up
by Rense and all the conspiracy loving sites.

The real story, as described by Haaretz is bad enough:

100,000 children were treated for ringworm by having their heads
shaved, hair removed with hot wax, and radiation. This was a
standard medical procedure at the time - but can you imagine having
your child plucked out of school without warning or permission and
having it done to them?

Now, years later, these children have a higher incidence of skin and
other cancers. There are many such cases in medical science -
radiation was used for all sorts of things up until 1960 - my father
had his adenoids removed by radiation in the 30s and got thyroid
cancer from it 50 years later. Do you remember the x-ray machines in
shoe-stores that would show your feet inside the shoe? Nobody knew
that low doses were carcinogenic.

Chamish takes the real story and tells a horror tale that should be
absurd at first reading to anybody. 6000 children died soon after
treatment, he claims. That would be about 1/2 of 1% of Israels
population in the early 1950s. Are you telling me nobody noticed
this? Of course, it's absurd. Then he talks about "poisoning" the
children with "35,000 times the dose". The mean dose was about 7 Gv,
according to a controlled study of skin cancers in this group,
within medical standards for the day. It's easy to play "35,000
times the dose!" numbers with radiation because the dosage declared
"safe" has dropped a thousand fold as medical science understood the
mutgenic nature of X-rays. All the stuff Chamish added for dramatic
touches about "how it feels" to get such a dose is pure balderdash,
of course. It doesn't hurt to get X-rays, even the doses back
then. It does, however, hurt to have your hair removed with hot wax,
which is what references to "burning gel" and "headaches" must refer
to.

I don't know if the actual documentary is more responsible that the
hash Chamish makes of it, but I sure hope so.


-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
-- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
From: Vaccine-man on
john wrote:
> "Vaccine-man" <ziggittes(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1146772597.781665.150310(a)g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > You have two groups of hamsters. One group is immunized with a
> > genetically-engineered yellow fever vaccine virus (17D) that has West
> > Nile virus antigen, while the other is unimmunized. After a few weeks,
> > all the hamsters are infected with 10^4 TCID50 of WNV NY385-99. Half of
> > the unvaccinated hamsters die from WN encephalitis, while none of the
> > vaccinated hamsters show any sign of disease and, of course, none die.
> > How do you interpret this?
> >
>
> get a real job
>
<snip irrelevant statements>

Please try to stay on topic. I did not ask you for advice on
employment. I asked you to interpret the data presented by Tesh et al.
in which they found that hamsters vaccinated against WNV were protected
from disease, while half of the unvaccinated hamsters died from WN
encephalitis. Here's the paper for your review.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol8no12/02-0229.htm

From: Rich on

"john" <scu23(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:orKdnVYwjLHI-sHZRVnyqQ(a)bt.com...
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> "Vaccine-man" <ziggittes(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1146887700.412993.298890(a)i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>
>> For centuries, smallpox was killing millions of people per year. In the
>> late 1960s the vaccination program was implemented. Thirteen years
>> later, smallpox was eradicated. The line that represents this on a
>> graph is nearly perpendicular to the x-axis. How do YOU account for
>> this decline?
>>
>
> Vaccination started in 1790's, I suggest you aquaint yourself with the
> real history http://www.whale.to/vaccines/smallpox14.html Try Story of a
> Great Delusion for the best overall picture. Abnd for a brief pic see
> Phillipines in 1920 http://www.whale.to/vaccines/smallpox7.html
>
> That was 40 years before you thought it started
>
> Jenner tried to use horse grease, and promoted that.
>
>
> I know you would liek to ignore that fact as the statistic facts show huge
> epidemics followed smallpox vaccination where over 90% of the victims ahd
> been vaccinated, leading one to the obvious conclusion vaccination spread
> smallpox and kept it going


Please explain how vaccination could spread smallpox when it contains
absolutely NO smallpox virus.
--


--Rich

Recommended websites:

http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
http://www.acahf.org.au
http://www.quackwatch.org/
http://www.skeptic.com/
http://www.csicop.org/


From: JohnDoe on
Peter Bowditch wrote:

> JohnDoe <dont(a)spam.me> wrote:
>
>
>>john wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname(a)ratbags.com> wrote in message
>>>news:q1jm52h8vaed36slgnv46647tccfhtlpoc(a)4ax.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I mentioned to Marcia that these people are mad. I saw Dr Kalokerinos
>>>>on stage once and he is the most insane person I have ever seen
>>>>outside a mental hospital. He stood there in front of a crowd of
>>>>several hundred people and said that the WHO and the Save The Children
>>>>Fund were engaged in a policy of deliberate genocide which would "put
>>>>Hitler and Stalin in the shade". And we are supposed to take this
>>>>arsehole seriously?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"At one point in my career, I had a long conversation with a man who
>>>occupied a high government position in an African nation. He told me that he
>>>was well aware of this. He told me that WHO is a front for these
>>>depopulation interests."--Jon Rappoport interview
>>>
>>>http://www.whale.to/b/genocide_vax_q.html
>>
>>I do not agree with Peter Bowditch here. I would not call someone the
>>'most insane person I have ever seen' because it gives you the problem
>>that all other persons must then be ranked below that person. John (from
>>whale.to) may very well be more insane than Dr. Kalokerinos. Though I
>>must admit Peter Bowditch is in a better position to make judgements
>>abouts Kalokerinos' sanity, having actually seen the man.
>
>
> I did say "that I have ... seen".

Ah yes, of course. My bad. I should have seen that, given the recent
discussion on the subtleties of 'banquet speeches' versus 'acceptance
speeches' and 'nobel lectures'.

> There may well be madder people out
> there (John's quote above suggests that there are at least three
> equals - Rappoport, the unnamed African official, and the owner of the
> whale.to web site) but I haven't seen them.
>
> I haven't been able to track down an actual quote, but someone told me
> that David Icke had claimed that the flu vaccine was going to be
> distributed in aircraft condensation trails in order to reduce the
> world's population from 6 billion + to about 500 million, but Icke is
> in a class of his own and shouldn't be used as a benchmark for rating
> other mad people. (Sylvia Browne said that the same reduction in
> population was the goal of the people who invented and distributed
> AIDS. I hope that both population reduction campaigns don't happen at
> the same time.)