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"marcia" <design1(a)insight.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> Vaccine-man wrote:
>> johngohde(a)naturalhealthperspective.com wrote:
>> > Vaccine-man wrote:
>> > > john wrote:
>> > >
>> > Tell me Vaccine-man, can you say the same about TB and Malaria?
>>
>> No. Although the BCG vaccine has some effectiveness, it's not a great
>> vaccine.
>>
>> >
>> > If vaccines don't work for TB and Malaria, they didn't work for
>> > smallpox.
>>
>> Apples and oranges statement. How do you explain the decline in
>> smallpox cases, from millions per year to zero per year 13 years after
>> the global eradication program began?
>
> Isn't the malaria vaccine still in development? Yes? No? I didn't think
> they expected to have a vaccination program for malaria until
> approximately 2010? Or is my info out of date?
>


From: Vaccine-man on
If a malaria vaccine is ever developed, it will have to be used on
everyone ever born in regions where it is endemic. Unlike smallpox,
malaria (and TB, for that matter) is a zoonotic agent and persists in
the environment. There's no way to eradicate it. Since smallpox only
naturally infected humans, it could be eradicated. Other diseases, such
as polio, measles and rubella, could also be eradicated by vaccination.
Once eradicated, there would be no need to vaccinate for these diseases
again. You'd think the anti-vacs would favor such a program - a little
"evil" for a lot of "good".

From: David Wright on
In article <1146939552.433421.129410(a)j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
marcia <design1(a)insight.rr.com> wrote:
>
>Vaccine-man wrote:
>> > If vaccines don't work for TB and Malaria, they didn't work for
>> > smallpox.
>>
>> Apples and oranges statement. How do you explain the decline in
>> smallpox cases, from millions per year to zero per year 13 years after
>> the global eradication program began?
>
>The logic is, if some vaccines don't work, none of them do?
>
>And if the current vaccine doesn't work well, the next one won't
>either?
>
>Scientific knowledge stopped progressing in the 19th-century?

Oh, for john, definitely. The older a source is, the more reverence
he gives it.

Stuff from after about 1910 is beneath his contempt. Unless it
reinforces one of his many prejudices. Then it's OK.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
-- Alice Roosevelt Longworth



From: marcia on

David Wright wrote:
> In article <1146939552.433421.129410(a)j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> marcia <design1(a)insight.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >Scientific knowledge stopped progressing in the 19th-century?
>
> Oh, for john, definitely. The older a source is, the more reverence
> he gives it.


Which makes the fact that he's disseminating this nonsense on the
internet all the more ironic.

Do you suppose he's using a Faradic computer? :)

From: Peter Bowditch on
"marcia" <design1(a)insight.rr.com> wrote:

>
>Vaccine-man wrote:
>> johngohde(a)naturalhealthperspective.com wrote:
>> > Vaccine-man wrote:
>> > > john wrote:
>> > >
>> > Tell me Vaccine-man, can you say the same about TB and Malaria?
>>
>> No. Although the BCG vaccine has some effectiveness, it's not a great
>> vaccine.
>>
>> >
>> > If vaccines don't work for TB and Malaria, they didn't work for
>> > smallpox.
>>
>> Apples and oranges statement. How do you explain the decline in
>> smallpox cases, from millions per year to zero per year 13 years after
>> the global eradication program began?
>
>Isn't the malaria vaccine still in development? Yes? No? I didn't think
>they expected to have a vaccination program for malaria until
>approximately 2010? Or is my info out of date?

The Queensland Institute of Medical Research announced the start of
human trials of a malaria vaccine in February this year.

I went looking in the Australian Vaccination Network's mailing list
archives for February to see if there was a reaction, but I kept
gagging at people asking for and receiving assistance about how to lie
to pre-school operators in order to let unvaccinated kids in through
the rules. The folks belittling a pertussis outbreak were a bit
annoying as well.

--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
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