From: Jan Drew on

"Mark Probert"
> john wrote:
>> "Vaccine-man" <ziggittes(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1146777449.340220.156320(a)i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>> PeterB wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dr. Tom Mack, of USC, a well-known scientist with first-hand experience
>>>> studying smallpox in Pakistan during the 1960s, said that endemic
>>>> smallpox vanished from the US not because of herd immunity through
>>>> vaccine, but as a result of ongoing economic development.
>>> He said no such thing. He said that economic development contributed to
>>> the end of smallpox. He did not use the word "vanished". Here's what he
>>> said:
>>>
>>> "Disappearance was facilitated, not impeded, by economic development."
>>>
>>
>> "If people are worried about endemic smallpox, it disappeared from this
>> country not because of our mass herd immunity. It disappeared because of
>> our economic development. And that's why it disappeared from Europe and
>> many other countries, and it will not be sustained here, even if there
>> were several importations, I'm sure. It's not from universal
>> vaccination."----Dr. Mack http://www.whale.to/a/mack.html


From: Jan Drew on

"Mark Probert"
> john wrote:
>> "marcia" <design1(a)insight.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:1146777539.109138.237800(a)e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> Nice logic. :) I'm completely bemused by this whole anti-vac movement.
>>> I was aware of it, but assumed it mainly consisted of anxious mothers
>>> who just needed some reassurance and education.
>>>
>>> Boy, have my eyes been opened here. :D
>>>
>>
good, the reason you ahven't heard our story is because the
allopaths/medical industry suppress it. I can demonstrate this by my
attempts to get the anti-vax story on to Wikipedia--they tried to delete my
page to National Anti-Vaccination League http://www.whale.to/a/navl.html,
and are still trying to delete it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Anti-Vaccination_League by merging it
into a page called Anti Vaccinationists
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-vaccinationists that was created by an
Allopath/vaccinator to make out we are all cranks. "Anti-vax" is a
pejorative term like cranks, by the way.

have a look on that page and see all of those books vanish
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-vaccinationists#Historical

They refuse to allow any links to my smallpox books from Wikipedia
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/smallpox14.html using some spurious reasons.

You can see their antics http://whale.to/a/wikipedia.html where they tried
to delete 10 anti-vax people I had made pages to eg:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archie_Kalokerinos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_S._Mendelsohn etc Here is the
attempted deletion of Mendelsohn
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Robert_S._Mendelsohn

So now you know why we never heard about them or the other side of the
story. 2006 and I was the first person to put the anti-vax story onto
Wikipedia, lets hope it stays there, they wont ever give up trying to delete
them.

Creighton did way back in 1910 I think, but it only lasted one or two
editions of the Brittanica, before it was removed and he was cast into the
wilderness http://www.whale.to/v/creighton.html

The media are owned by the Elite who make all their money from the medical
monopoly, so you wont see anything worthwhile from that direction, the last
decent media story was in a provincial USA paper in 1894
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/fresno.html



From: john on

"Vaccine-man" <ziggittes(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1146855317.106711.141480(a)j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> john reminds me of Ronald Reagan: "Facts are stupid things."
>

Yes, no vaccine man likes facts on vaccination

It is well proven fact, that government statistics show
conclusively. As collected by the National Anti Vaccination League, that
smallpox vaccination was ineffective and highly dangerous
http://www.whale.to/a/navl.html

There are no adequate statistics showing these fatalities, but it may be
estimated that in England and Wales no fewer than 6,000 Infants are Killed
every Year by Vaccination. This is perhaps the least part of the damage.
The Great Damage is that caused to Teeth, Eyesight and Constitution, by the
illness of vaccinia forced upon the infant at the most critical and delicate
period of its life. [1921] Vaccination and the State By Arnold Lupton MP.


From: Jan Drew on

"Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:xpI6g.352$Ez6.222(a)fe09.lga...
> JohnDoe wrote:
>> john wrote:
>>
>>> "Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname(a)ratbags.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1dul52pvv7gh5cnusaietkpmuisvp266o3(a)4ax.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>> I have visited people inside secure wards in mental hospitals. Nobody
>>>> I ever met inside was as insane (or as dangerous) as some of the
>>>> anti-vaccinators I have met and corresponded with.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>
>>> http://www.whale.to/a/bowditch.html
>>
>> Peter Bowditch is totally right that he is proud to be featured in such a
>> way on your website. I'd be proud of that too. I can't imagine what a
>> disgrace it would be to be mentioned positively on whale.to.
>
> I am mentioned, but do not have my own page. I do get first billing,
> though...
>
> http://www.whale.to/a/newsgroups_h.html
>
> Eat your heart out!

http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/propagandistprobert.html



From: Jan Drew on

"Peter Bows**t
> "john" <scu23(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname(a)ratbags.com> wrote in message
>>news:1dul52pvv7gh5cnusaietkpmuisvp266o3(a)4ax.com...
>>
>>>
>>> I have visited people inside secure wards in mental hospitals. Nobody
>>> I ever met inside was as insane (or as dangerous) as some of the
>>> anti-vaccinators I have met and corresponded with.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>
>>http://www.whale.to/a/bowditch.html
>>

>
> http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/LIAR
> --
> Peter Bows**T