From: marcia on
>> Also, large outbreaks of smallpox were uncommon, which also tends to
>> undermine your argument that its demise was significantly impacted by
>> environmental manipulation (e.g., improvements in sanitation).

>> And there, again, it begs the question: If improvements in sanitation
>> and poverty were the reason for its "decline," why isn't smallpox
>> running rampant in undeveloped countries where living conditions are
>> similar to, if not worse than, what they were in the US and Europe
>> before the 20th-century?


>smallpox was dying out before vaccination came along and spread it. Huge
>epidemics followed compulsory vaccination, and over 90% of the victims had
>been vaccinated. This simple fact is what did in smallpox vaccination in
>the 19 century. Also it spread diseases like syphilis, and introduced it
>into the Hawai, where 10% of the population ended up with the disease.
>"I should be sorry to see a leper cook, and I go further than that. In
>vaccinating, I think hardly a medical man would take vaccine lymph from the
>arm of a leper infant. I know it has been our practice for the last twenty
>years not to do so." ---1883 Dr Henry Ebden, President of the (South
>African) Medical Board (Leprosy & Vaccination by William Tebb)

>It died out in countries that hardly used vaccination.

But you claimed earlier that it died out due to improved sanitation and
reduced poverty. Now you're abandoning that position?

Your quote from ***1883*** doesn't even address poverty or sanitation.
Do you have any information that's more on point?

From: john on

"Vaccine-man" <ziggittes(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1146840109.864743.319980(a)u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> john,
>
> Focus...focus...focus. Not "hocus pocus".
>
> http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol8no12/02-0229.htm
>

I am not interested in your witches brew,

From Dr. Duffy.......

The WEST NILE VILE HOAX perpetrated by the white collar criminals in the CDC
is in full swing to keep the media too busy to investigate the REAL
EPIDEMIC.

Just last night FOX news spent a good amount of time reporting
on how the virus "might" affect the entire USA quite soon and
reports were made of single deaths allegedly caused by the virus.
I can assure you that I could disprove their allegations on the cause
of death of those patients.

It is my opinion that CDC hoaxes such as the present West Nile Virus
Hoax are designed to keep the main stream media people hyped up
and too busy reporting the propaganda instead of reporting the facts
on the REAL EPIDEMIC of AUTISM out here on the ' fruited plain".

AUTISM is increasing over 300% per year and as reported in the
prestigious and critical journal, MEDICAL HYPOTHESES - there is
no doubt that orthodox medicine caused the AUTISM EPIDEMIC
with mercury loaded vaccines. Want info on this subject? Don't go
to anyone in orthodox medicine if you want the truth and the facts.
That's like asking the fox........... http://www.whale.to/a/duf.html


From: Mark Probert on
john wrote:
> "Vaccine-man" <ziggittes(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1146840109.864743.319980(a)u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>> john,
>>
>> Focus...focus...focus. Not "hocus pocus".
>>
>> http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol8no12/02-0229.htm
>>
>
> I am not interested in your witches brew,

Translation:

Do not confuse me with facts.

>
> From Dr. Duffy.......
>
> The WEST NILE VILE HOAX perpetrated by the white collar criminals in the CDC
> is in full swing to keep the media too busy to investigate the REAL
> EPIDEMIC.
>
> Just last night FOX news spent a good amount of time reporting
> on how the virus "might" affect the entire USA quite soon and
> reports were made of single deaths allegedly caused by the virus.
> I can assure you that I could disprove their allegations on the cause
> of death of those patients.
>
> It is my opinion that CDC hoaxes such as the present West Nile Virus
> Hoax are designed to keep the main stream media people hyped up
> and too busy reporting the propaganda instead of reporting the facts
> on the REAL EPIDEMIC of AUTISM out here on the ' fruited plain".
>
> AUTISM is increasing over 300% per year and as reported in the
> prestigious and critical journal, MEDICAL HYPOTHESES - there is
> no doubt that orthodox medicine caused the AUTISM EPIDEMIC
> with mercury loaded vaccines. Want info on this subject? Don't go
> to anyone in orthodox medicine if you want the truth and the facts.
> That's like asking the fox........... http://www.whale.to/a/duf.html
>
>
From: Vaccine-man on
john reminds me of Ronald Reagan: "Facts are stupid things."

From: Jan Drew on

"Mark Probert"
<snip>
> john wrote:
>> "Rich" <joshew(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:4Fs6g.4382$yM.3955(a)tornado.socal.rr.com...
>> As for your theory of decline of mortality/morbidity, smallpox was deadly
>> to
>>> the end, as evidenced by the fact that in the last outbreak in Europe
>>> about one in four who contracted the disease died, about the same rate
>>> of mortality smallpox has always had, despite the availability of good
>>> medical care.
>>> --
>>
>> Now get the real facts--dangers http://www.whale.to/v/smallpox2.html