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From: Derek on 29 Jul 2008 17:58
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:24:42 -0700 (PDT), Rupert <rupertmccallum(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Jul 29, 9:13�pm, Derek <usenet.em...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Rupert Mccallum claims to be an animal rights advocate
>> calling for an end to all animal farming.
>
>I used to volunteer at Animal Liberation NSW and have recently been
>invited to be a voting member of the committee.
>
>However, I have been persuaded by what has been said here that there
>might be some forms of animal farming no more harmful than existing
>plant-based agriculture, and I acknowledge that I have no consistent
>basis for opposing those.
>
>For that reason, I acknowledge that the label "animal rights advocate"
>might be a bit misleading.

No, that label you gave yourself wasn't a "bit misleading": it
was a lie. You're not an animal rights advocate and you never
have been. You support animal farming, thinking it is better
that they live that life than that they not live at all, and you've
conceded tonight that you don't have any consistent basis for
opposing it. In short, rupie, you're a lying fraud, and my task
in proving that fact by dragging the truth from you is over.
From: Rupert on 29 Jul 2008 22:14
On Jul 30, 7:27 am, Rudy Canoza <pi...(a)thedismalscience.noot> wrote:
> Rupert wrote:
> > On Jul 29, 9:13 pm, Derek <usenet.em...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Rupert Mccallum claims to be an animal rights advocate
> >> calling for an end to all animal farming.
>
> > I used to volunteer at Animal Liberation NSW
>
> Terrorist organization.

You seem to take great delight in parodying anti-AR drivel.

They are a registered charity and they adhere to a policy of non-
violence, you stupid childish clown.
From: Rupert on 29 Jul 2008 22:18
On Jul 30, 7:58 am, Derek <usenet.em...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:24:42 -0700 (PDT), Rupert <rupertmccal...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Jul 29, 9:13 pm, Derek <usenet.em...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Rupert Mccallum claims to be an animal rights advocate
> >> calling for an end to all animal farming.
>
> >I used to volunteer at Animal Liberation NSW and have recently been
> >invited to be a voting member of the committee.
>
> >However, I have been persuaded by what has been said here that there
> >might be some forms of animal farming no more harmful than existing
> >plant-based agriculture, and I acknowledge that I have no consistent
> >basis for opposing those.
>
> >For that reason, I acknowledge that the label "animal rights advocate"
> >might be a bit misleading.
>
> No, that label you gave yourself wasn't a "bit misleading": it
> was a lie.

No, it was not, not at the time. Since then I have said to Dutch that
it would be better to speak of me as a "new welfarist".

> You're not an animal rights advocate and you never
> have been. You support animal farming, thinking it is better
> that they live that life than that they not live at all, and you've
> conceded tonight that you don't have any consistent basis for
> opposing it.

I don't concede that that would follow from that view of mine, by the
way. I say that it follows on other grounds.

I say that if I voluntarily financially support plant-based
agriculture in its present form, and if there are some forms of animal
farming that cause no more harm (I do not necessarily claim that these
exist, but I cannot rule out that they do), then I have no consistent
basis for opposing such forms of animal farming at the moment. I do
not necessarily say that they are acceptable, I say that if I proclaim
them unacceptable then I must change my behaviour. This is of course
undeniable.

> In short, rupie, you're a lying fraud, and my task
> in proving that fact by dragging the truth from you is over.

You haven't shown any such thing. I've never lied about my position.
From: Rupert on 29 Jul 2008 22:27
On Jul 30, 12:19 pm, Rudy Canoza <pi...(a)thedismalscience.noot> wrote:
> Rupert wrote:
> > On Jul 30, 7:27 am, Rudy Canoza <pi...(a)thedismalscience.noot> wrote:
> >> Rupert wrote:
> >>> On Jul 29, 9:13 pm, Derek <usenet.em...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Rupert Mccallum claims to be an animal rights advocate
> >>>> calling for an end to all animal farming.
> >>> I used to volunteer at Animal Liberation NSW
> >> Terrorist organization.
>
> > You seem to take great delight in parodying anti-AR drivel.
>
> > They are a registered charity
>
> Terrorists.

That's what propagandists on behalf of industries that use animals
would have you believe, obviously, that all animal rights
organisations are terrorist organisations. Or rather, they would like
to convince people with single-digit IQs of that, and have people of
normal intelligence merely slightly distrust the animal rights
movement. Not even you are stupid enough to take such drivel
seriously.
From: Rupert on 29 Jul 2008 22:28
On Jul 30, 12:21 pm, Rudy Canoza <pi...(a)thedismalscience.noot> wrote:
> Rupert wrote:
> > On Jul 30, 7:58 am, Derek <usenet.em...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:24:42 -0700 (PDT), Rupert <rupertmccal...(a)yahoo..com> wrote:
> >>> On Jul 29, 9:13 pm, Derek <usenet.em...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Rupert Mccallum claims to be an animal rights advocate
> >>>> calling for an end to all animal farming.
> >>> I used to volunteer at Animal Liberation NSW and have recently been
> >>> invited to be a voting member of the committee.
> >>> However, I have been persuaded by what has been said here that there
> >>> might be some forms of animal farming no more harmful than existing
> >>> plant-based agriculture, and I acknowledge that I have no consistent
> >>> basis for opposing those.
> >>> For that reason, I acknowledge that the label "animal rights advocate"
> >>> might be a bit misleading.
> >> No, that label you gave yourself wasn't a "bit misleading": it
> >> was a lie.
>
> > No, it was not, not at the time. Since then I have said to Dutch that
> > it would be better to speak of me as a "new welfarist".
>
> It's better to speak of you as an incoherent egotistical douchebag.

How about you, Ball? How should we speak of you?
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