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From: Mark & Steven Bornfeld on 20 Oct 2005 14:52 Clinton wrote: > Mark & Steven Bornfeld wrote: > . It is also ridiculous to ask for large > >>>"controlled" studies when guess who? >> >> I give up--who? > > > Can you quote any controlled studies done by the NIDCR, NIH, AEE, ADA > etc. This also holds true for amalgam where NO large studies have been > done. It's pretty easy to say, look there are no controlled studies > when > no one does them. > There are entire journals devoted to endodontic research. I can't spend my whole time here doing literature review for my posts here, but while I don't have a subscription to the J. or Endo., I'll look around when I get the chance to reference some studies regarding clinical outcomes, bacterial leakage, etc. I cannot promise they will fulfill your stringent requirements for clinical control, but I'll see what I can come up with. Steve -- Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001
From: LadyLollipop on 20 Oct 2005 19:13 http://tuberose.com/Root_Canals.html "Clinton" <clintonz(a)prodigy.net> wrote in message news:1129831717.265637.225390(a)z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > > letsconnect wrote: >> Clinton wrote: >> > >> > Did you look at Haley's site? I took a quick look at: >> > >> > http://www.altcorp.com/AffinityLaboratory/sterilerct.htm >> > >> > The first thing is recent research showing how all RC are >> > not sterile. Haley has done a lot of research in this >> > area. >> >> >> I don't think anyone doubts that not *all* RCs are sterile. From the >> link: >> >> "The microbiological analysis carried out in this study after >> endodontic treatment demonstrated the efficacy of the therapeutic >> procedures in reducing the microbial population present in previously >> infected root canals. No obligate anaerobic bacteria were recovered >> after treatment." > > I'm not sure what "obligate bacteria" means, but right below that > which you conviently snipped (either addedd by Haley or part of > the original discussion) > > "interactions, are able to promote a decrease in the anaerobic > population present at those sites (9). If on the one hand, the results > of this study confirm the effectiveness of endodontic treatment in > reducing the microbial population, on the other hand they also show the > permanence of viable microorganisms inside the root canals due to their > survival after treatment, contamination during the different > manipulation phases or even due to the penetration of microorganisms > from the oral cavity through inadequate temporary sealing. Initially, > aerobic bacteria are rarely found in infected root canals but may be > introduced into the canal during treatment (28), as observed for > Psuedomonas, which was recovered from one canal after chemomechanical > preparation and the use" > > We could have snipping wars all day, snipping the parts of one paper > that seem to favor our view, and ignoring what is written just below > it. This is ridiculous. It is also ridiculous to ask for large > "controlled" studies when guess who? probably hasn't done any > meaningful research on this for 50 years. I personally never had a RC, > nor am i an expert in root canals. I'm just saying that there is > research and controversy out there. >
From: drkulacz on 20 Oct 2005 22:04 First. Find controlled studies that were performed to refute Price and repeat his work. Second. Forget about Price altogether. Look at the data on necrotic debris left in most all root canals. Root canals are not sterile. ADA agrees with this. The jaw bone is infected from the non sterile root canals. There are plenty of studies on that. if you can't find them then you do not know how to do research as they are abundant. Enough fun for me on this board. I would like to help and offer an intelligent exchange of data but this is too hostile a place for me and life is too short for this. Have fun.
From: drkulacz on 20 Oct 2005 23:43 The article was NOT about a file in the sinus. Please read correctly. You are wrong regarding your dtatement of your article. In addition, ENT's are well aware of the tooth-sinus problem. Dentists are not. Dentists do not know medicine. This is clear when speaking with dentists and when I was teaching. That is why I worked with physicians and tried to stay clear of dentists. The responses by dentists and the level of understanding of medicine were very similar to the level of cognitive thought presented on this board by dentists. This is not a put down. This is a fact. Second, I do not do Endo. I just take care of the people that become ill from the endo teeth already performed. Most of these endo treated teeth performed by endodontists. Third. I love the way people talk aroud here. Dude, Liar,etc. It realy adds to the professionalism of dentistry and is why it deserves a lower level of respect than given physicians.
From: drkulacz on 21 Oct 2005 00:35
Real mature. You could not possibly have the title of Dr. That could not be possible with a suggesstion like "cue the spammers to fill your mailbox". That type of behavior is for children. Silly me thinking that you were a dentist with a post like that. |