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From: Mr. Smartypants on 25 Jun 2008 16:42
My Mistake, Sorry!

"A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable,
but more useful than a life spent doing nothing."
- George Bernard Shaw

"Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes.
Art is knowing which ones to keep."
- Scott Adams (Dilbert)

When I make an error, I fess up, no matter how
uncomfortable that might be for me.

In June, I spoke before two vegetarian groups,
the first in Northern Connecticut and the second
in Rochester, New York. I told both audiences:

"Half the dairy herds in America are infected with
mycobacterium paratuberculosis which causes Johne's
Disease in cows and Irritable Bowel Syndrome,
Ulcerative Colitis, and Crohn's Disease in humans."

I regret the error, and in the name of accuracy,
now make this correction regarding my own prior
incorrect notion of the percentage of herds in America
affected with paratuberculosis.

The June, 2008 issue of Hoard's Dairyman (The
National Dairy Farm Magazine), sets the record
straight (as reported by Kenneth Olson, National
Johne's Education Coordinator, and Robert Whitlock,
Co-Chair National Johne's Working Group). In fact,
the expert's page 411 commentary reveals:

"Current estimates are that as many as 65 percent
of all dairy herds have the disease..."

Forgive me for having underestimated the problem
by inaccurately stating that only 50 percent of
America's dairy herds are infected with this
dangerous bacterium.

On February 25, 2006 (p. 127 Column by veterinarian,
Mark Hardesty), Hoard's Dairyman reported:

"Johne's is a disease that we, as an industry, are not
getting under control. It is caused by mycobacterium
paratuberculosis (MAP) which is a very tough but
slow-growing bacteria...MAP has been found in
pasteurized milk."

If you have irritable bowels or ulcerative colitis
or Crohn's Disease, blame it on your previous dairy
consumption. It is clear that the dairy industry had
known the risks long before you became infected.
Consider:

"Johne's disease and Crohn's disease are remarkably
similar in clinical signs and intestinal pathology."

Hoard's Dairyman, January 24, 1995

"Of 77 milk samples (taken from cows with Johne's disease),
11.6% were culture-positive (contained M. paratubercolosis)."

Journal of Clinical Microbiology 1992;30(1):166-171

"Mycobacterium paratuberculosis was isolated from tissue taken
from patients with Crohn's disease and is implicated in the
etiology of this disease."

Journal of Clinical Microbiology, 1993, May 31(5)

"Mycobacterium Paratuberculosis crosses the species barrier
to infect and cause disease in humans."

British Medical Journal, Feb 1998.315

"Mycobacterium paratuberculosis is capable of surviving
commercial pasteurization..."

Applied and Environmental Microbiology: 64(3), Mar 1998.

"Mycobacterium paratuberculosis RNA was found in 100% of
Crohn's disease patients, compared with 0% of controls."

National Academy of Sciences USA :93: September, 1996

The dairy industry knows the truth. The public does not.
Perhaps you can help spread the word that crapshoots
do not do the body good. One glass of milk can mean
the difference between good health and a lifetime of
discomfort.

Robert Cohen
http://www.notmilk.com







From: dkw12002 on 27 Jun 2008 12:27
On Jun 25, 1:42 pm, "Mr. Smartypants" <shrubkil...(a)excite.com> wrote:
> My Mistake, Sorry!
>
> "A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable,
> but more useful than a life spent doing nothing."
> - George Bernard Shaw
>
> "Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes.
> Art is knowing which ones to keep."
> - Scott Adams (Dilbert)
>
> When I make an error, I fess up, no matter how
> uncomfortable that might be for me.
>
> In June, I spoke before two vegetarian groups,
> the first in Northern Connecticut and the second
> in Rochester, New York. I told both audiences:
>
> "Half the dairy herds in America are infected with
> mycobacterium paratuberculosis which causes Johne's
> Disease in cows and Irritable Bowel Syndrome,
> Ulcerative Colitis, and Crohn's Disease in humans."
>
> I regret the error, and in the name of accuracy,
> now make this correction regarding my own prior
> incorrect notion of the percentage of herds in America
> affected with paratuberculosis.
>
> The June, 2008 issue of Hoard's Dairyman (The
> National Dairy Farm Magazine), sets the record
> straight (as reported by Kenneth Olson, National
> Johne's Education Coordinator, and Robert Whitlock,
> Co-Chair National Johne's Working Group). In fact,
> the expert's page 411 commentary reveals:
>
> "Current estimates are that as many as 65 percent
> of all dairy herds have the disease..."
>
> Forgive me for having underestimated the problem
> by inaccurately stating that only 50 percent of
> America's dairy herds are infected with this
> dangerous bacterium.
>
> On February 25, 2006 (p. 127 Column by veterinarian,
> Mark Hardesty), Hoard's Dairyman reported:
>
> "Johne's is a disease that we, as an industry, are not
> getting under control. It is caused by mycobacterium
> paratuberculosis (MAP) which is a very tough but
> slow-growing bacteria...MAP has been found in
> pasteurized milk."
>
> If you have irritable bowels or ulcerative colitis
> or Crohn's Disease, blame it on your previous dairy
> consumption. It is clear that the dairy industry had
> known the risks long before you became infected.
> Consider:
>
> "Johne's disease and Crohn's disease are remarkably
> similar in clinical signs and intestinal pathology."
>
> Hoard's Dairyman, January 24, 1995
>
> "Of 77 milk samples (taken from cows with Johne's disease),
> 11.6% were culture-positive (contained M. paratubercolosis)."
>
> Journal of Clinical Microbiology 1992;30(1):166-171
>
> "Mycobacterium paratuberculosis was isolated from tissue taken
> from patients with Crohn's disease and is implicated in the
> etiology of this disease."
>
> Journal of Clinical Microbiology, 1993, May 31(5)
>
> "Mycobacterium Paratuberculosis crosses the species barrier
> to infect and cause disease in humans."
>
> British Medical Journal, Feb 1998.315
>
> "Mycobacterium paratuberculosis is capable of surviving
> commercial pasteurization..."
>
> Applied and Environmental Microbiology: 64(3), Mar 1998.
>
> "Mycobacterium paratuberculosis RNA was found in 100% of
> Crohn's disease patients, compared with 0% of controls."
>
> National Academy of Sciences USA :93: September, 1996
>
> The dairy industry knows the truth. The public does not.
> Perhaps you can help spread the word that crapshoots
> do not do the body good. One glass of milk can mean
> the difference between good health and a lifetime of
> discomfort.
>
> Robert Cohenhttp://www.notmilk.com

There's a French saying that translates: He who does few things, will
do few things wrong, but he will do few things.

People often are so concerned about screwing up that they won't even
attempt something or venture out into new situations.

My experience with a dairy farm, in fact the operator was also a rural
vet, was to go pick up a 3-day-old calf...many years ago....anyway
they separate dairy cows from the calves so they can get the milk and
sell the calves often. People usually raise these as veal. I saw his
operation. First they brought in stinking, mud soaked cattle. They
rinsed off the udders with a spray hose, dipped the teats in a
disinfectant to help prevent mastitis, quickly rinsed the udder, but
this time used a bucket of water. They used this same rinse bucket as
long as I watched. There would obviously be disinfectant, hair, feces
or whatever else was floating in the air inside the barn getting into
the milk. I doubt everything, especially disinfectant gets filtered
out. Most dairy farmers I've run accross do not drink milk. dkw
From: dkw12002 on 27 Jun 2008 13:45
On Jun 27, 10:31 am, Rudy Canoza <pi...(a)thedismalscience.not> wrote:
> dkw12...(a)yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Jun 25, 1:42 pm, "Mr. Smartypants" <shrubkil...(a)excite.com> wrote:
> >> My Mistake, Sorry![...]
>
> >> Robert Cohenhttp://www.notmilk.com
>
> Robert Cohen is a failed New Jersey real estate developer who knows NO
> science or sound nutrition.  Cohen bashes milk and other dairy products
> because he sells a soy milk extraction gadget; truly a fringe product
> aimed at goofballs.  You know you're dealing with a corrupt, dishonest
> shitbag when he has to bash the competition in order to sell his product.
>
>
>
> > There's a French saying that translates: He who does few things, will
> > do few things wrong, but he will do few things.
>
> Cohen gets almost everything wrong.

Thanks.
From: pearl on 27 Jun 2008 15:18
<dkw12002(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:348f8353-2709-40fe-b319-12963a088f3e(a)j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 27, 10:31 am, Rudy Canoza <pi...(a)thedismalscience.not> wrote:
> dkw12...(a)yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Jun 25, 1:42 pm, "Mr. Smartypants" <shrubkil...(a)excite.com> wrote:
> >> My Mistake, Sorry![...]
>
> >> Robert Cohenhttp://www.notmilk.com
>
> Robert Cohen is a failed New Jersey real estate developer who knows NO
> science or sound nutrition. Cohen bashes milk and other dairy products
> because he sells a soy milk extraction gadget; truly a fringe product
> aimed at goofballs. You know you're dealing with a corrupt, dishonest
> shitbag when he has to bash the competition in order to sell his product.
>
> > There's a French saying that translates: He who does few things, will
> > do few things wrong, but he will do few things.
>
> Cohen gets almost everything wrong.

'Bullies project their inadequacies, shortcomings, behaviours
etc on to other people to avoid facing up to their inadequacy
and doing something about it (learning about oneself can be
painful), and to distract and divert attention away from
themselves and their inadequacies. Projection is achieved
through blame, criticism and allegation; once you realise this,
every criticism, allegation etc that the bully makes about their
target is actually an admission or revelation about themselves.
...
The Socialised Psychopath or Sociopath
http://www.bullyoffline.org/workbully/serial.htm

: Thanks.

"Rudy Canoza" - http://www.iol.ie/~creature/boiled%20ball.html




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