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From: Richard Schultz on 6 Aug 2008 13:33
In article <9d13ef99-5119-48f9-8a07-010812afe25a(a)m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, Citizen Jimserac <Jimserac(a)gmail.com> wrote:

:> > Then why did *you* post somthing that you *admit* is off-topic according
:> > to your definition?

:> Because I wanted to, got a problem with that. ?Too bad.
:> Oh, btw, YOU are most guilty of the definition.
:
: He appears to resent anyone who dares to talk back to him.

No, observing people who are really, really, stupid in their natural
habitat is an interesting avocation. Jan Drew has this interesting habit
of deleting an entire post and declaring that as it is "off topic," it should
not be in the thread. Then she posts articles that are *by her definition*
"off topic." That neither of you can see the inconsistency is hardly
surprising (see the first sentence of this paragraph). I sometimes post
articles that drift from the original topic of the thread -- but I don't
criticize anyone who does. The closest I come to doing that is when I
parody Jan Drew by copying her style as a response to her posts. That neither
of you has figured out that that's what I'm doing is hardly surprising (see
the first sentence of this paragraph).

: He portrays an attitude of science and reason but then, in a series
: of discussions on Acupuncture, seems to shut down his thinking as
: point after point refuted everything he asserted, for example about
: Acupuncture not being taught in medical school and NUMEROUS other points.

Your arguments would be slightly more compelling if you weren't forced
to resort to lies in order to make them.

: When this happens, Doc shuts down his thinking completely
: and FIXATES on a single study, the German study which,
: to none of our surprise, concludes that Acupuncture is a sham.

Excuse me, I have given references to *dozens* of papers that concluded
that acupuncture works no better than a placebo. You have not read any
of them, including one written by *a professor of complementary medicine*.

: but once the Doc's brain gets FIXATED on his compulsive DENIALISM,
: that, unfortunately, is THAT.

The word you're looking for is "projection." You have decided that Benveniste,
Rey, and Roy are REAL SCIENTISTS [tm] and that therefore there is no
possible way of demonstrating that they were wrong. On the other hand, I
have offered on any number of occasions to discuss *any* of the articles
that I have referenced, and I have offered to discuss in detail the
nature of the statistical problem involved in judging the results of clinical
trials of acupuncture or other alternative therapies. So far, neither you
nor Mr. Kingoff has expressed any interest whatsoever in doing so. You
have had any number of opportunities to convince me that the articles that
I cited were poorly done, or that there is a reason not obvious to me why
their results should be ignored. You have refused to make use of any of
those opportunities. There are several conclusions that one can make from
that observation, but that I am "FIXATED on [my] compulsive DENIALISM"
is not one of them.

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Richard Schultz schultr(a)mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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"Apparently, you take me for a complete fool."
"Yeah -- more or less."
Bob & Ray, "Garish Summit"
From: Jan Drew on 6 Aug 2008 20:16

"Richard Schultz" <schultr(a)mail.biu.ack.il> wrote:

>people who are really, really, stupid

Point made.
> -----
> Richard Schultz
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