Red Wine and IBD?..
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From: Rufus on 20 Jul 2008 23:35 I just finished a glass, and I'm curious...my mother mentioned seeing something about drinking red wine being helpful for IBD a few weeks ago, and I recall my doc telling me once that I could feel free to drink all the red wine I wanted... I Googled and couldn't find anything definitive - anyone got any pointers on the subject? I did find this, however - http://www.rush.edu/rumc/page-1175113022209.html Being originally from the area and fitting the basic requirements, I'd participate if I could...out of taste and curiosity if nothing else... -- - Rufus
From: Vanny on 21 Jul 2008 02:54 Red wine contains polyphenols (most plants have these) that are indicated to be life giving and also clear the arteries somewhat. IBD patients are prone to thrombosis (blood clotting, e.g. pulmonary thrombosis, ischaemic stroke, ischaemic heart attack, deep vein thrombosis) and light intake (one glass every other evening) of red wine may help prevent this. http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/111/2/e10 However, dehydration is a major cause of thrombosis in IBD patients and the diuretic effect of the alcohol in the red wine may actually counteract the positive effects of the phenolic compounds and thus facilitate clot formation. In addition, if you are on steroids, chemotherapy (Azathioprine aka Imuran, 6-MP aka Purinethol, Methotrexate, etc.), alcohol is contraindicated. If you drink alcohol as an IBD patient and with an OK from your doctor, I recommend drinking a big glass of water to every unit of alcohol. "Avoid drinking alcohol while you are taking prednisolone." http://www.drugs.com/mtm/prednisolone.html "Avoid alcoholic beverages until you have discussed their use with your doctor . Alcohol may increase the harmful effects of this medicine." http://www.drugs.com/cons/purinethol.html Those on 5-ASAs only are not restricted with respect to light to moderate alcohol intake, depending on their overall state of health and any liver problems. More side-effects and drug interactions of medication can be found at www.drugs.com and www.rxlist.com Vanny "Rufus" <not(a)home.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:luTgk.262847$yE1.56179(a)attbi_s21... >I just finished a glass, and I'm curious...my mother mentioned seeing >something about drinking red wine being helpful for IBD a few weeks ago, >and I recall my doc telling me once that I could feel free to drink all the >red wine I wanted... > > I Googled and couldn't find anything definitive - anyone got any pointers > on the subject? > > I did find this, however - > > http://www.rush.edu/rumc/page-1175113022209.html > > Being originally from the area and fitting the basic requirements, I'd > participate if I could...out of taste and curiosity if nothing else... > > -- > - Rufus
From: Rufus on 21 Jul 2008 15:01 ....I must have instinct, or intuition, or common sense, or something...I'm on a 5-ASA and Protonix only...but I'll double check about Protonix. I've recently set myself a goal to drink a bottle a week, though I seem to actually be drinking a bottle every other week. I'll generally open a bottle for Sunday dinner, drink a single glass then, and then every other night with dinner until the bottle is gone (so one bottle lasts about a week, depending on which size wine glass I use) - and never without an accompanying glass of cold water. I used to really like red wine with dinner, but have lost my taste for alcohol in general over the past few years/changes. I'm only rediscovering it because of my doc's recommendation...LOL. -- - Rufus Vanny wrote: > Red wine contains polyphenols (most plants have these) that are indicated to > be life giving and also clear the arteries somewhat. IBD patients are prone > to thrombosis (blood clotting, e.g. pulmonary thrombosis, ischaemic stroke, > ischaemic heart attack, deep vein thrombosis) and light intake (one glass > every other evening) of red wine may help prevent this. > http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/111/2/e10 > > However, dehydration is a major cause of thrombosis in IBD patients and the > diuretic effect of the alcohol in the red wine may actually counteract the > positive effects of the phenolic compounds and thus facilitate clot > formation. In addition, if you are on steroids, chemotherapy (Azathioprine > aka Imuran, 6-MP aka Purinethol, Methotrexate, etc.), alcohol is > contraindicated. > > If you drink alcohol as an IBD patient and with an OK from your doctor, I > recommend drinking a big glass of water to every unit of alcohol. > > "Avoid drinking alcohol while you are taking prednisolone." > http://www.drugs.com/mtm/prednisolone.html > > "Avoid alcoholic beverages until you have discussed their use with your > doctor . Alcohol may increase the harmful effects of this medicine." > http://www.drugs.com/cons/purinethol.html > > Those on 5-ASAs only are not restricted with respect to light to moderate > alcohol intake, depending on their overall state of health and any liver > problems. > > More side-effects and drug interactions of medication can be found at > www.drugs.com and www.rxlist.com > > Vanny > > > > > "Rufus" <not(a)home.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag > news:luTgk.262847$yE1.56179(a)attbi_s21... >> I just finished a glass, and I'm curious...my mother mentioned seeing >> something about drinking red wine being helpful for IBD a few weeks ago, >> and I recall my doc telling me once that I could feel free to drink all the >> red wine I wanted... >> >> I Googled and couldn't find anything definitive - anyone got any pointers >> on the subject? >> >> I did find this, however - >> >> http://www.rush.edu/rumc/page-1175113022209.html >> >> Being originally from the area and fitting the basic requirements, I'd >> participate if I could...out of taste and curiosity if nothing else... >> >> -- >> - Rufus > >
From: Vanny on 22 Jul 2008 03:56 I am a great believer in gut feeling. Prior to diagnosis of my Crohn's my diet had changed to virtually no vegetables except for potatoes and I had thrown in a daily vitamin tablet for good measure. I forgot the PPIs. I am on Omeprazole. Unfortunately, I can't drink alcohol because my stomach starts burning - red wine is particularly rough on my stomach. If your reflux symptoms increase then you will most likely have to stop the red wine. The best thing to unclog arteries (assuming that they are not too far gone in which case a dangerous unclogging operation will be necessary) is lots of exercise and a really good mediteranean diet with lots of fish and salads (!!) with either flaxseed oil or walnut oil dressing (these oils must be stored in the fridge and not used for cooking). Basically, low saturated fats, low sugar and no fast food. The body can make its own fat from sugars and even protein. This diet should probably be started at about age 2 for life-long healthiness. I was at my cardiologists recently and he diagnosed some artherosclerosis on the tricuspidal, mitral and aorta valves. However, this can be explained by the damage caused by carditis in the early 1990s and the resulting damage to the valves serving as a good site for circulating cholesterol and other fats and proteins to latch onto and settle down to eventually build up a bigger clot, which breaks away and either clogs up the head (stroke) or heart or lungs, etc. I am removing high saturated fat foods, e.g., butter and cream etc. from my diet to address this, but my biggest problem is not being able to do any sport because of the short bowel syndrome. Vanny "Rufus" <not(a)home.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:R15hk.209095$TT4.165296(a)attbi_s22... > ...I must have instinct, or intuition, or common sense, or something...I'm > on a 5-ASA and Protonix only...but I'll double check about Protonix. > > I've recently set myself a goal to drink a bottle a week, though I seem to > actually be drinking a bottle every other week. I'll generally open a > bottle for Sunday dinner, drink a single glass then, and then every other > night with dinner until the bottle is gone (so one bottle lasts about a > week, depending on which size wine glass I use) - and never without an > accompanying glass of cold water. > > I used to really like red wine with dinner, but have lost my taste for > alcohol in general over the past few years/changes. I'm only > rediscovering it because of my doc's recommendation...LOL. > > -- > - Rufus > > Vanny wrote: >> Red wine contains polyphenols (most plants have these) that are indicated >> to be life giving and also clear the arteries somewhat. IBD patients are >> prone to thrombosis (blood clotting, e.g. pulmonary thrombosis, ischaemic >> stroke, ischaemic heart attack, deep vein thrombosis) and light intake >> (one glass every other evening) of red wine may help prevent this. >> http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/111/2/e10 >> >> However, dehydration is a major cause of thrombosis in IBD patients and >> the diuretic effect of the alcohol in the red wine may actually >> counteract the positive effects of the phenolic compounds and thus >> facilitate clot formation. In addition, if you are on steroids, >> chemotherapy (Azathioprine aka Imuran, 6-MP aka Purinethol, Methotrexate, >> etc.), alcohol is contraindicated. >> >> If you drink alcohol as an IBD patient and with an OK from your doctor, I >> recommend drinking a big glass of water to every unit of alcohol. >> >> "Avoid drinking alcohol while you are taking prednisolone." >> http://www.drugs.com/mtm/prednisolone.html >> >> "Avoid alcoholic beverages until you have discussed their use with your >> doctor . Alcohol may increase the harmful effects of this medicine." >> http://www.drugs.com/cons/purinethol.html >> >> Those on 5-ASAs only are not restricted with respect to light to moderate >> alcohol intake, depending on their overall state of health and any liver >> problems. >> >> More side-effects and drug interactions of medication can be found at >> www.drugs.com and www.rxlist.com >> >> Vanny >> >> >> >> >> "Rufus" <not(a)home.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag >> news:luTgk.262847$yE1.56179(a)attbi_s21... >>> I just finished a glass, and I'm curious...my mother mentioned seeing >>> something about drinking red wine being helpful for IBD a few weeks ago, >>> and I recall my doc telling me once that I could feel free to drink all >>> the red wine I wanted... >>> >>> I Googled and couldn't find anything definitive - anyone got any >>> pointers on the subject? >>> >>> I did find this, however - >>> >>> http://www.rush.edu/rumc/page-1175113022209.html >>> >>> Being originally from the area and fitting the basic requirements, I'd >>> participate if I could...out of taste and curiosity if nothing else... >>> >>> -- >>> - Rufus >>
From: anon on 22 Jul 2008 15:20
"Vanny" wrote: IBD patients are prone to thrombosis (blood clotting, e.g. pulmonary thrombosis, ischaemic stroke, ischaemic heart attack, deep vein thrombosis) and light intake (one glass every other evening) of red wine may help prevent this. RESPONSE: Do you have any documentation to support this statement about IBD patients being prone to clotting, thrombosis, etc.? |