Reactive Hypoglycemia
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From: Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD on 7 May 2008 04:54 convicted friend Chris Malcolm wrote: > Trinkwasser <spam(a)devnull.com.invalid> wrote: > > > Again this one > > > Research about reactive hypoglycemia > > > seems to put the cart before the horse, but this bit is interesting > > > Harris, in his first paper [4], advocated treating > > PRH with a low-carbohydrate diet and frequent small > > split meals. This dietary approach remains the first > > treatment of this disorder > > > Look at the date of this paper - 1924, long before Healthy Whole > > Grains became the diet for everyman! > > > Both these papers and other references seem to be saying that reactive > > hypoglycemia is NOT present *unless* the BG drops to truly hypo > > levels. > > > Now I dunno about you but in my case the symptoms come about not from > > the lowness of the low but from the *rate of change*. I've had more > > hypo *symptoms* at 90 when I got there rapidly from 180 than I have at > > 60 when I got there slowly. > > I can't be so specific anout numbers, but yes to the general > effect. When I'm on the carby snacking roller coaster I'll feel shaky > and agitated and hungry and desperate for another BG boost at a BG > level which I can feel perfectly fine and relaxed on if it arrived > slowly. > > I think this is another specific example of the general problem that > many medical researchers have with dynamic effects: they're obsessed > with causative states and often ignore the simplest dynamic effects > such as rate of change. That's why they make such a mess of trying to > understand endocrinology, why they're baffled by the obesity epidemic, > and so on. > > > Another factor I suspect in my symptomology is the IR and its effect > > on GLUT 4 receptors, after a postprandial peak below truly diabetic > > levels my muscles seem to be unable to suck up glucose properly for > > several hours before recovering, and this continues through the period > > from the high BG via the reactive low until the BG comes back up to > > normal. > > You mean exercise doesn't have the expected BG lowering effects? Not > something I've measured, since I rarely use exercise in that way and > when I do I often don't monotor the results. > > > The *main* reason I look at the BG changes as being the cause and the > > neurotransmitter changes being the effect is the simple reason that by > > reducing the carb input to a level that does not cause the BG to spike > > and thus does not cause the post-spike drop I find the symptoms cease > > to exist. > > Agreed. When I hit diagnosis i had for years been running on a carby > snack roller coaster, where every few hours I'd feel shaky, confused, > agitated, and hungry. Which I'd fix with a carby snack in a coffee > shop and back to sitting down at my desk. > > The escape from that roller coaster for me was to avoid the carbs > which produced the high BGs. Which for me means no carbs for breakfast > at all. If I slip up and over-indulge in carbs while snacking I get > right back onto that unpleasant roller coaster which is so hard to get > off once it's started. The so-called "healthy breakfast" is a real > killer for me, daren't go anywhere near it. Ruins my whole day. It is the black fat (VAT) that is ruining your day because it has caused you to be insulin resistant: http://HeartMDPhD.com/BlackFat <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Counsels
From: yamantaka on 7 May 2008 09:27 On May 7, 1:54 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...(a)thetruth.com> wrote: > convicted friend Chris Malcolm wrote: > > > > > Trinkwasser <s...(a)devnull.com.invalid> wrote: > > > > Again this one > > > > Research about reactive hypoglycemia > > > > seems to put the cart before the horse, but this bit is interesting > > > > Harris, in his first paper [4], advocated treating > > > PRH with a low-carbohydrate diet and frequent small > > > split meals. This dietary approach remains the first > > > treatment of this disorder > > > > Look at the date of this paper - 1924, long before Healthy Whole > > > Grains became the diet for everyman! > > > > Both these papers and other references seem to be saying that reactive > > > hypoglycemia is NOT present *unless* the BG drops to truly hypo > > > levels. > > > > Now I dunno about you but in my case the symptoms come about not from > > > the lowness of the low but from the *rate of change*. I've had more > > > hypo *symptoms* at 90 when I got there rapidly from 180 than I have at > > > 60 when I got there slowly. > > > I can't be so specific anout numbers, but yes to the general > > effect. When I'm on the carby snacking roller coaster I'll feel shaky > > and agitated and hungry and desperate for another BG boost at a BG > > level which I can feel perfectly fine and relaxed on if it arrived > > slowly. > > > I think this is another specific example of the general problem that > > many medical researchers have with dynamic effects: they're obsessed > > with causative states and often ignore the simplest dynamic effects > > such as rate of change. That's why they make such a mess of trying to > > understand endocrinology, why they're baffled by the obesity epidemic, > > and so on. > > > > Another factor I suspect in my symptomology is the IR and its effect > > > on GLUT 4 receptors, after a postprandial peak below truly diabetic > > > levels my muscles seem to be unable to suck up glucose properly for > > > several hours before recovering, and this continues through the period > > > from the high BG via the reactive low until the BG comes back up to > > > normal. > > > You mean exercise doesn't have the expected BG lowering effects? Not > > something I've measured, since I rarely use exercise in that way and > > when I do I often don't monotor the results. > > > > The *main* reason I look at the BG changes as being the cause and the > > > neurotransmitter changes being the effect is the simple reason that by > > > reducing the carb input to a level that does not cause the BG to spike > > > and thus does not cause the post-spike drop I find the symptoms cease > > > to exist. > > > Agreed. When I hit diagnosis i had for years been running on a carby > > snack roller coaster, where every few hours I'd feel shaky, confused, > > agitated, and hungry. Which I'd fix with a carby snack in a coffee > > shop and back to sitting down at my desk. > > > The escape from that roller coaster for me was to avoid the carbs > > which produced the high BGs. Which for me means no carbs for breakfast > > at all. If I slip up and over-indulge in carbs while snacking I get > > right back onto that unpleasant roller coaster which is so hard to get > > off once it's started. The so-called "healthy breakfast" is a real > > killer for me, daren't go anywhere near it. Ruins my whole day. > > It is the black fat (VAT) that is ruining your day because it has > caused you to be insulin resistant: > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/BlackFat > > <>< > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Counsels There is no medically recognized term such as "black fat." This is another one of Chung's fabrications and he uses the term to support his own twisted agenda and nonsense 2PD diet. He is not fit to practice medicine and is under investigation by the Georgia Medical Board again. When signed into Google, with a Chung Dung post open, look to the upper right hand corner. Click on "more options" Then click on "report this message" and "Type of abuse* I am seeing spam" Be sure to include a description of Chung's worthless, repetitive, off topic, self- serving spam and point out that he gives bad, nonstandard medical advice and has multiple Google accounts.
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