From: Sir Oyan on


Hello,

I'm new to the group.

I think I can start an interesting new thread, if anyone's
interested. A while back I met a guy who made his own nutritional drink
out of fresh produce. But I'm not trying to sell anything---honestly. To
make a long story short, I ended up doing some research for him
regarding basic nutrition. In the process I learned a few interesting
things.

Raw Food Nutrition

The way I practiced it, I definitely saw results. And I can give
you many good reasons why it makes good sense. If anyone is interested,
I will try my best to explain, concisely, what I learned in the process
of studying. Again, it will become apparent very quickly that I am not
trying to sell anything---any product or single nutritional philosophy.
But nutrition, as I found out, as well as anything connected with
biology, is an enormously complicated subject. I don't have enough time
to explain *everything* I have learned---and I don't pretend to be an
expert. But if any of you show interest in this thread, I'll be happy to
contribute what I can, giving time constraints.

Meanwhile, here are some web searches you can make that you might
find very interesting. I recommend that you add
site:edu
to your web searches for the following topics. That way you will
get opinions that are as authoritative as possible. Please check my
facts. I think you will find them generally reliable.

NAFLD (nonalcoholic fatty liver disease) NASH (nonalcoholic
steatohepatits)

In brief:

* People with NAFLD were once accused of being alcoholics, because
their liver dysfunction had the same signature symptoms. liver
specialists now know, however, that NAFLD is an entirely different
disease.
* One in five Americans are now considered to be obese
* Liver specialists estimate that one in five Americans suffer from
NAFLD
* Liver specialists know that obesity and NAFLD are related, but
can't scientifically prove whether obesity leads to NAFLD or NAFLD
leads to obesity---(my own personal belief is that it would be more
reasonable to call it a continuum, meaning that a circular model
would probably explain it better than a linear model)
* NASH, or nonalcoholic stateo-hepatitis, is the advanced stage of
the disease, which results from liver scarring---the precursor to
sihrossis (spelling?)
* Many of those who suffer from NAFLD will develop sihrossis of the
liver.

Dr. Cabot, Liver Doctor

I'm not promoting her website or her books. My method differs from
hers, somewhat. But I have a lot of respect for point of view, and have
learned some good things from her website. She is an Australian
physician who believes that proper nutrition can have wonderful
benefits. Liver health is at the core of her medical philosophy. I agree
with her, but I am only a layman trying to educate himself. She's a
doctor.

Dr. Batmanjali (spelling?)

Dr. Batmanjali was trained in medicine in Great Britain. During the
takeover of Iran by Iranian students, back in the late 1970's, he became
a prisoner of the new regime. In prison, other prisoners often sought
him out to help them with their ailments. He became frustrated, though,
because he had no medicines with which to treat them. Finally, one day,
a man came to him in such distress, that he felt he *had* to prescribe
*something* to make him feel better. So, he told the man to increase his
water consumption. In short, the man got better. Dr. Batmanjali then
started prescribing water to everyone who came to him for help. It was
all he could prescribe. But to his suprise, most of his patients started
getting better. Eventually he decided that virtually all modern humans
drink far to little water. And he has developed a health strategy
devoted to proper hydration as perhaps the most important first step in
optimum health. Now, he does have some separate advice for people who
suffer from kidney disease or edema (water retention). If anyone is
interested, I will explain in a later message. People with kidney
disease should seek medical advice before radically increasing their
water consumption. And people who suffer from edema should probably
measure both their water intake and urine output, at least in the
beginning, if they radically increase their water intake.

Raw Food Nutrition

I'm not certain how I stand on this subject. Some raw foodists are
strick about it, and eat nothing cooked. My own point of view is that
one should eat as much fresh, raw produce as possible; but some things
simply cannot be digested raw. Legumes and grains are an important
source of amino acids, the building blocks of proteins. But most grains
and legumes must be cooked in order to be digestible. Meats are also a
good source of protein. But the only meats that are edible raw ar
freshly caught fish, such as sushi. It simply isn't practical for most
modern people to eat raw meat. Even eating sushi is not entirely without
risk.

The DASH eating Plan

The Dash Eating plan was the result of a study done by the NHLBI
(The National Heart, Lung, Blood, Institute). If you go to their
website, they will send you a pamphlet of the eating plan for free. And
if you need more than once copy, the cost is very reasonable. You can
even download a version of it in PDF (that's the name for Adobe Acrobat
files, right?). The DASH Eating plan is one of the healthiest ways to
eat---and there is scientific documentation to back it up. My method
differs from the DASH plan, somewhat. But my advice is: if you follow
the DASH plan and also increase your water consumption, you may get just
as good of benefits as a raw foodist. It's definitely a good place to
start. I can give you my thoughts of how to *tweak* the plan to make it
healthier. Of course, I'm a layman, and my point of view is partially
speculative, although I have had good results myself.

Conclusion:

I now know, through personal experience, that increasing water
consumption and eating more fresh produce can improve a person's health
fairly quickly. I won't say it's entirely easy to follow, but it
definitely works. My method includes making a blended drink, which is
time consuming to make, if you do it like I do---make 30 quarts at one
time. That led me to go for weeks, even months, at a time before I got
up the energy to make another batch. As soon as I get time, I'm going to
try to think of an easier way of doing it that would eliminate that
problem. I also suffer from an enlarged prostate. That means that when I
drink the amount of water that I know from experience works well for
me---I need to be close to a bathroom. Since I've been working
construction, bathrooms aren't always handy. That led me to decrease my
water consumption as well. But I know from experience that these things
work. The only problem is, you have to keep it up. Otherwise you start
backing up.

According to Dr. Cabot (I believe it was her), depending on the
degree of liver damage, it might take a person a full year to reverse it
through proper diet. She's probably right. So, I can explain my method
to you (it's not very complicated, and I won't charge you a dime), but
the ultimate result depends on how long you stick with it. Once good
thing, however, is that I predict that the effects will be noticeable
*in the way you feel*, and fairly quickly. Some people may feel results
within two week; some within four weeks; and some within 6 weeks. But I
predict that most people would feel quite a bit better within 6 weeks.
*That* is the proof of the pudding---as they say. You will definitely
feel better.

One more thing.

There are currently no drugs that can be given to people with liver
dysfunction that have much effect. most liver specialists recommend
eating a healthy diet, including lean meats and lots of fresh produce.
That's what the doctor told my friend back in 1979 when he was trying to
recover from a bout of hepatitis. And that advice still is given today.

I wish I had time to tell you more. I will *make* the tim,
however---at a later date---if anyone shows interest in this thread.
meanwhile, I encourage you to check up on what I am telling you. I think
you will see that I have checked my facts pretty well. And I think it
will become obvious fairly quickly that I have nothing to gain here. In
other words, I am sincere and have nothing to sell.

Seeya

C.K.