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From: Jan Drew on 6 Aug 2008 17:47
"Sir Arthur" <science(a)zzz.com> wrote in message
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> MUST READ!
>
> VERACARE wrote:
>> ALLIANCE FOR HUMAN RESEARCH PROTECTION
>> Promoting Openness, Full Disclosure, and Accountability
>> http://www.ahrp.org and http://ahrp.blogspot.com
>>
>> FYI
>>
>> Will the failure of psychopharmacology revitalize psychotherapy?
>>
>> Although the failure of psychoactive drugs to provide clinically
>> significant
>> benefits is documented in controlled trials, psychiatrists cling to these
>> drugs.
>> But then, psychiatrists are paid far more for a patient's 15 minute
>> prescription visit than for spending 45 minutes on psychotherapy.
>>
>> That commercial bias toward drugs--no matter how severe the harm caused
>> to
>> patients--is what "distinguishes" psychiatry from other medical
>> specialties.
>>
>> Psychiatry's most prescribed drugs, the second generation antidepressants
>> (SSRIs), antipsychotics (so-called atypicals), and anti-seizure drugs
>> have
>> failed to demonstrate a sustained clinical benefit. However, the
>> debilitating adverse effects of these drugs are amply documented in
>> controlled clinical trials and patient outcome studies.
>>
>> Whatever the failures and abuses documented when psychotherapy was
>> psychiatry's rage--patients' physical health was not undermined by 100lb
>> weight gain, by drug-induced diabetes and hyperglycemia, or drug-induced
>> suicide. Little children were not prescribed drugs that caused lethal
>> drug
>> toxicity--as four year old, Rebecca Riley was.
>>
>> Contact: Vera Hassner Sharav
>> veracare(a)ahrp.org
>> 212-595-8974
>>
>> http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=5511707
>> Move Over, Couch: Psych Pills Take Over
>> In Era of Pills, Fewer Shrinks Doing Talk Therapy
>> By CARLA K. JOHNSON
>> Associated Press Writer
>>
>> Aug. 4, 2008-
>>
>> CHICAGO (AP) - Cartoons about the psychiatrist's couch were recently the
>> subject of a museum exhibition. Now, the couch itself may be headed for a
>> museum.
>>
>> A new study finds a significant decline in psychotherapy practiced by
>> U.S.
>> psychiatrists.
>>
>> The expanded use of pills and insurance policies that favor short office
>> visits are among the reasons, said lead author Dr. Ramin Mojtabai of
>> Johns
>> Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore.
>>
>> "The 'couch,' or, more generally, long-term psychoanalytic psychotherapy,
>> was for so long a hallmark of the practice of psychiatry. It no longer
>> is,"
>> Mojtabai said.
>>
>> Today's psychiatrists get reimbursed by insurance companies at a lower
>> rate
>> for a 45-minute psychotherapy visit than for three 15-minute medication
>> visits, he explained.
>>
>> His study found that the percentage of patients' visits to psychiatrists
>> for
>> psychotherapy, or talk therapy, fell from 44 percent in 1996-97 to 29
>> percent in 2004-05. The percentage of psychiatrists using psychotherapy
>> with
>> all their patients also dropped, from about 19 percent to 11 percent.
>>
>> Psychiatrists who provided talk therapy to everyone had more patients who
>> paid out of pocket compared to those doctors who provided talk therapy
>> less
>> often. And they prescribed fewer pills.
>>
>> As talk therapy declined, TV ads contributed to an "aura of
>> invincibility"
>> around drugs for depression and anxiety, said Charles Barber, a lecturer
>> in
>> psychiatry at Yale University and author of "Comfortably Numb: How
>> Psychiatry is Medicating a Nation."
>>
>> "By contrast, there's almost no marketing for psychotherapy, which has
>> comparable if not better outcomes," said Barber, who was not involved in
>> the
>> study.
>>
>> The findings, published in Monday's Archives of General Psychiatry, are
>> based on an annual survey of office visits to U.S. doctors. Of more than
>> 246,000 visits sampled during the 10 years, more than 14,000 were to
>> psychiatrists. The researchers analyzed those psychiatrist visits.
>>
>> The study did not survey visits to psychologists or other mental health
>> counselors who are not medical doctors, but who also practice talk
>> therapy.
>>
>> Psychotherapy uses verbal methods to get patients to explore their
>> emotional
>> life, thoughts or behavior. The goal is to ease symptoms, sometimes
>> through
>> getting the patient to change behavior or mental habits.
>>
>> Its benefits can be seen in brain imaging studies, said Dr. Eric Plakun,
>> who
>> leads an American Psychiatric Association committee working to restore
>> interest in psychotherapy by psychiatrists.
>>
>> "The couch is far from dead," Plakun said. "The couch turns out to be an
>> effective 21st century treatment."
>>
>> Talk therapy can be done by psychiatrists less expensively than split
>> treatment, where a patient sees a doctor for pills and a counselor for
>> talk
>> therapy, Plakun said, citing two prior studies.
>>
>> It also works better than drugs for some patients, such as those with
>> chronic major depression and a history of childhood trauma, he said.
>>
>> Accreditation requirements for psychiatric residency programs are putting
>> more emphasis on talk therapy, Plakun said. That may slow the decline of
>> the
>> couch.
>>
>> The new study doesn't answer an important question: whether other
>> professionals are picking up the slack, said psychologist David Mohr of
>> Northwestern University's Feinberg School of Medicine. Psychologists and
>> social workers provide counseling but most cannot prescribe drugs, so
>> it's
>> possible that for patients who require both talk and pills, some
>> coordination in care may be lost, Mohr said.
>>
>> ---
>>
>> On the Net: Archives of General Psychiatry: http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/
>> American Psychiatric Association: http://www.psych.org/
>>
>> (Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
>>
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>>
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From: stanw on 6 Aug 2008 18:39

>> Although the failure of psychoactive drugs to provide clinically significant
>> benefits is documented in controlled trials, psychiatrists cling to these
>> drugs. But then, psychiatrists are paid far more for a patient's 15 minute
>> prescription visit than for spending 45 minutes on psychotherapy.

>> That commercial bias toward drugs--no matter how severe the harm caused to
>> patients--is what "distinguishes" psychiatry from other medical specialties.

>> Psychiatry's most prescribed drugs, the second generation antidepressants
>> (SSRIs), antipsychotics (so-called atypicals), and anti-seizure drugs have
>> failed to  demonstrate a sustained clinical benefit. However, the
>> debilitating adverse effects of these drugs are amply documented in
>> controlled clinical trials and patient outcome studies.


This just in: milk may be worse for you than it is
helpful!!! In an exhaustively researched and meticulously analyzed
clinlical trial, Dr. Bullshit asked his friend if he wanted milk in
his coffee. The friend, who is otherwise very fit and keenly sharp-
witted, reported that he is lactose intolerant!!!! The immediate,
instant, magically American NOW results of stronger bones and teeth
failed to be clinically verified as attributable to the consumption of
dairy products, and in a shockingly disturbing discovery, said dairy
was shown to cause excessive puking and crapping among a significanly
climbing population!!!

On learning that his friend was breast-fed as a child, Dr.
Bullshit recommended that his friend go forthwith to a lawyer friend
of his, Sue U. Forliving, and file charges against his own mother, for
child abuse, wreckless endangerment, and attempted murder.

Guess we public better get thee to those pastures and start cow-
tipping! Cause of this friend is lactose intolerant, then as Dr.
Kolnick....er...I mean....Dr. Bullshit!!!..tells us, ALL milk is bad,
has no benefits, and that dairy farmers make more money for 15 minutes
of milking than for 45 minutes of negotiating with the local butcher.

I guess Jerry...uhhhh...I mean, the good doctor, has performed
yet another noble public service! Cows be baaad!!!!

Stay tuned for more bull...
From: Peter Bowditch on 6 Aug 2008 20:55
"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>In the recent past there have been many research studies conducted regarding
>recalled drugs, and it was found that since 1993, there have been over 1,000
>deaths can be linked to pharmaceutical drugs.

That's 67 deaths per year. How does this fit with the well-known
alternaut "fact" that pharmaceutical drugs kill in excess of 100,000
people per year and are the first/second/third/take-your-pick cause of
death?

--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
From: Raving on 7 Aug 2008 11:08
On Aug 6, 1:07 pm, Jeff <jeff....(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 6, 12:34 pm, Raving <raving.loo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> In other words, you can define the words you use and can't support
> your argument that meds used by people are made in China.
>
> Thanks for the clarification.
Ok, there is no glaring indication, apart from whatever else you might
be presently, personally, privy or aware, that Chinese pharmaceuticals
are currently being dispensed by American pharmacists.

Hmm.... Ok. Curiously, narrow preoccupation, though.

>
> Jeff

From: MSmith on 7 Aug 2008 11:13
Raving wrote:
> On Aug 6, 1:07 pm, Jeff <jeff....(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 6, 12:34 pm, Raving <raving.loo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In other words, you can define the words you use and can't support
>> your argument that meds used by people are made in China.
>>
>> Thanks for the clarification.
> Ok, there is no glaring indication, apart from whatever else you might
> be presently, personally, privy or aware, that Chinese pharmaceuticals
> are currently being dispensed by American pharmacists.
>
> Hmm.... Ok. Curiously, narrow preoccupation, though.
>
>> Jeff
>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmaceutical_industry_in_China
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