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From: pinecone on 10 Oct 2005 23:02

Dreamteam,

I had these same symptoms in my own experience. I was lucky mine was
caught relatively early, as are you.

For me, eating a big pasta meal with bread like that would send my
blood sugar sky-rocketing, even with a low fasting number. In fact,
mine probably wouldn't go quite that high, and I'm definitely diabetic.
I can get away with a limited serving of pasta if I surround it with a
lot of green leafy veggies and some lowfat protein, like chicken, with
no bread--but that's the only way I can do it without sending my sugar
up.

I used to be hypoglycemic when I went too long between meals, just like
you. The information furnished by Jenny and Old Al is priceless. If
you can get it under control early, you can really improve the rest of
your life.

pc

From: dream7939 on 11 Oct 2005 03:51

Hello,
I would like to thank all that responded to this post. I looked at the
link Old Al list on his post http://www.rajeun.net/gtt.html#Diabetes
and decided to take an "at home" glucose test. I ate the 150 grams of
white bread, nothing to drink but a few sips of water to wash it down,
and here are the results. (Please let me know what you think):
Starting glucose level before eating: 85
30 minutes later: 147
1 hour: 151
90 minutes : 112
2 Hours: 119 (strange why it would go up 7 points)
2 1/2 hours: 106
3 hours: 102
3 1/2 hours: 94
I stopped taking it at that. Usually when I get up in the morning it
is anywhere from 82-97 fasting.
I also forgot to state in my original post that when I went into a
panic attack 30 minutes before I ate, I did take a Xanax which gets rid
of the panic since it's a beta blocker.Could it be possible since it
slows down the brain, heart rate, etc. that it keeps blood glocuse
levels high allowing for a higher reading than normal? Now that
coupled with what I ate: Large plate of pasta, 2 rols of bread, and the
2 slices of chocolate cake( they were big slices). I know this meal
sounds like a nightmare, I do regret it. It makes me wonder since I
have never seen this number before. Have there ever been instances
where a blood sugar has been this high without diabetes possiby due to
severe trauma, stress or sickness? Tom

From: Slap on 11 Oct 2005 05:59

From: Julie Bove on 11 Oct 2005 11:12

<dream7939(a)aol.com> wrote in message
news:1129017071.294477.13730(a)g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Hello,
> I would like to thank all that responded to this post. I looked at the
> link Old Al list on his post http://www.rajeun.net/gtt.html#Diabetes
> and decided to take an "at home" glucose test. I ate the 150 grams of
> white bread, nothing to drink but a few sips of water to wash it down,
> and here are the results. (Please let me know what you think):
> Starting glucose level before eating: 85
> 30 minutes later: 147
> 1 hour: 151
> 90 minutes : 112
> 2 Hours: 119 (strange why it would go up 7 points)
> 2 1/2 hours: 106
> 3 hours: 102
> 3 1/2 hours: 94
> I stopped taking it at that. Usually when I get up in the morning it
> is anywhere from 82-97 fasting.
> I also forgot to state in my original post that when I went into a
> panic attack 30 minutes before I ate, I did take a Xanax which gets rid
> of the panic since it's a beta blocker.Could it be possible since it
> slows down the brain, heart rate, etc. that it keeps blood glocuse
> levels high allowing for a higher reading than normal? Now that
> coupled with what I ate: Large plate of pasta, 2 rols of bread, and the
> 2 slices of chocolate cake( they were big slices). I know this meal
> sounds like a nightmare, I do regret it. It makes me wonder since I
> have never seen this number before. Have there ever been instances
> where a blood sugar has been this high without diabetes possiby due to
> severe trauma, stress or sickness? Tom

Please stop fooling around and see the Dr. There is no test that I know of
that involves eating white bread. The OGTT is what you need and it has to
be done by a Dr. Reason being, you could have a hypo or get sick while the
test is being done. You are also supposed to sit or lie down quietly during
the 2-3 hours it takes to do the test.

Your numbers following the bread indicate that there is a problem. People
without blood sugar problems do not see such numbers. Stop trying to find
excuses and get to the Dr. so you'll know what you're dealing with for sure.

I did not get a proper diagnosis. As a result, I now have neuropathy in my
feet and legs. It's painful at times and very troublesome. Now I do have
other medical problems involving my legs. But my activities are very
limited now. I can't walk very far or very fast. Nor can I stand up for
long. And driving a car can be difficult when you can't distinguish between
the gas and brake pedals.

--
See my webpage:
http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm

From: oldal4865 on 11 Oct 2005 14:32

dream7939(a)aol.com wrote in message
<1129017071.294477.13730(a)g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>...
>Hello,
> I would like to thank all that responded to this post. I looked at the
>link Old Al list on his post http://www.rajeun.net/gtt.html#Diabetes
>and decided to take an "at home" glucose test. I ate the 150 grams of
>white bread, nothing to drink but a few sips of water to wash it down,
>and here are the results. (Please let me know what you think):
> Starting glucose level before eating: 85
> 30 minutes later: 147
> 1 hour: 151
> 90 minutes : 112
> 2 Hours: 119 (strange why it would go up 7 points)
> 2 1/2 hours: 106
> 3 hours: 102
> 3 1/2 hours: 94
> I stopped taking it at that. Usually when I get up in the morning it
>is anywhere from 82-97 fasting.
> I also forgot to state in my original post that when I went into a
>panic attack 30 minutes before I ate, I did take a Xanax which gets rid
>of the panic since it's a beta blocker.Could it be possible since it
>slows down the brain, heart rate, etc. that it keeps blood glocuse
>levels high allowing for a higher reading than normal? Now that
>coupled with what I ate: Large plate of pasta, 2 rols of bread, and the
>2 slices of chocolate cake( they were big slices). I know this meal
>sounds like a nightmare, I do regret it. It makes me wonder since I
>have never seen this number before. Have there ever been instances
>where a blood sugar has been this high without diabetes possiby due to
>severe trauma, stress or sickness? Tom
>

The Rajeun site has a few peculiarities. He offers good medical
citations in the raw numbers from OGTT tests, then goes a bit awry with his
very personal (and unsupported) recommendations to use starch-based carbs in
a home-grown OGTT. I repeat: many if not most non-diabetics could eat
150 gram of bread and test at 100 or less in one hour. FWIW, bread is
about half as powerful as pure glucose in raising blood sugar.

The rules for qualification as a Type 2 diabetes are very arbitrary. It is
a progressive disease which develops slowly. The current standards for
diagnosis merely pick an arbitrary point in the slow deterioration of blood
sugar control experienced by diabetics as the disease progresses.

A few more arbitrary points in the slow deterioration: a fasting blood
sugar above 87 indicates that you are in the Standard T2 Diabetic
Progression. A fasting blood sugar of 125 means you have breeched current
target levels. Ten years ago, you had to breech 140 to be diagnosed as
"full blown"

Twenty years ago, this discussion would not have taken place. The
standards were so loose that you would not be regarded as diabetic.

Twenty years from now, this discussion might also not take place since in
all likelihood, the progressive tightening of standards might have caught
you 5 years earlier.

As others have posted, two readings above 200 on different days FOR ANY
REASON are sufficient to diagnose diabetes. It is in your best interest
to start an intensive anti-diabetic endpoint campaign right now.

(diabetic endpoint = crippling diabetic injury or premature death)

The principal cause of Type 2 diabetes is the death of beta cells.
Working to fight diabetes slows the beta cell death rate. That's good.
Working to fight diabetes allows you to live longer. That's also good.

Being sloppy or lazy increases the beta cell death rate. That's why some
teenagers have experienced so much beta cell death that they lose control
of blood sugars at age 15. (and I don't think anybody will be willing to
sell them life insurance either)

You are lucky. You noticed the alarm bells early. There are many folks
in these newsgroups who were ambushed and consequently suffered serious
organ damage before anybody noticed they had a problem. Now they are
working desperately to preserve their eyes, kidneys and remaining nerve
function.

Regards
Old Al

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