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From: Hawki63 on 6 Oct 2005 16:21

"Jason" <jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-0610051235290001(a)pm4-broad-25.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
> In article <1wd1f.1520$we3.1059(a)newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
> <Hawki63(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> "Jason" <jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:jason-0510051241560001(a)pm1-broad-107.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
>> > In article <hOCdndzsZtWqiNneRVn-iA(a)got.net>, "Robert"
>> > <RobertsSong(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Flycaster" <adam999forgetit(a)adelphia.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:2uOdnV88rZTQNt7eRVn-hQ(a)adelphia.com...
>> >> > I'm 66 yo, 6' tall and weigh 164, play 1.5-3 hours tennis (doubles
>> >> > at
>> >> > 3.5 level) 5-7 days/wk, lift weights every other day for 1 hour,
>> >> > with
>> >> > an
>> >> > overall muscular and slender build and have always been active and
>> >> > in
>> >> > good shape and good health. My mother also was in great shape and
>> >> > active, but with high cholesterol (controlled by diet and statin),
>> >> > when
>> >> > she suddenly died at 83 (no documented cause) while in apparently
>> >> > good
>> >> > health. My last two cholesterol tests (9/03 and 2/05) gave the
>> >> > following values respectively:
>> >> >
>> >> > Total: 205 220
>> >> > HDL: 56 65
>> >> > LDL: 139 139
>> >> > Ratio: 3.7 3.4
>> >> > Trigly: 52 82
>> >> >
>> >> > Although my cholesterol levels have always been in the 200-230
>> >> > range,
>> >> > none of my internists have opted for me to go on statins. They have
>> >> > said that my "fat" profiles looked good and precluded the use of
>> >> > statins. However, reading about the overall value of statins (I was
>> >> > in
>> >> > the pharmaceutical industry for 32 years and know something about
>> >> > how
>> >> > to
>> >> > evaluate medical research) and their potential for
>> >> > cardio-protectiveness,
>> >>
>> >> Statins reduce lipids and therefore antiarthrogenic and are
>> >> cardio-protective during AMI.
>> >> At your age I would take fish oils for cardio protection.
>> >> Depending on the individual they may be hard to tolerate. I have
>> >> always
>> >> had
>> >> GI problems before statins and they certainly don't help me with that.
>> >
>> > Robert,
>> > Another great post. I hope that Sharon responds to the OP. I seem to
>> > recall a study mentioned in her report that stated that elderly people
>> > have more serious side effects when they take statins. I don't recall
>> > the
>> > reason. I just checked Dr. Cohen's book and he has a section on page
>> > 76-78
>> > labelled "Seniors and Statins". The first sentence in that section
>> > states:
>> > "Side effects hit seniors the hardest...the overall incidents of
>> > adverse
>> > drug reactions in the elderly is two to three times that found in young
>> > adults."
>> > Jason
>> >
>>
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> elderly?? senior citizens??
>>
>> yikes the guy says he is 66....hardly elderly...senior citizen??
>> well...maybe by definition that gives one discounts at IHOP and the
>> movies...
>>
>> this "senior" is playing tennis hours almost daily...
>>
>> please consider this before calling him "elderly"
>>
>
>
> Great point. What's the newest term for people over the age of 65? I want
> to be polit. correct. However, I have a difficult time keeping track of
> the newest labels for members of various races of people and other groups
> of people.
> I was in a store the other day and I seem to recall a label saying that
> people above the age of 60 were able to get the senior citizen's discount.
> Perhaps you also have a problem with that chain store.
>



nah...I take ALL the over 60 discounts myself

perhaps my intent was that at age 66...this guy is unlikely to be in
whatever "elderly" subset described as being a problem in drugs...

what is PC?? depends upon ONE"S own age I presume...at 52 you are not far
from joining US

again...at 66...and a vibrant active tennis playing 66...the OP is NOT to be
considered "elderly" by any stretch...

discounts at the movies is not equated with diminishing organ
function...(which is what is intended in discussing probs with certain meds
and the OLDER folks)....

my h.o. of course


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From: Jason on 6 Oct 2005 20:13
In article <8Hf1f.867$B14.11(a)newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>,
<Hawki63(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> "Jason" <jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:jason-0610051235290001(a)pm4-broad-25.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
> > In article <1wd1f.1520$we3.1059(a)newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
> > <Hawki63(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> >> "Jason" <jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
> >> news:jason-0510051241560001(a)pm1-broad-107.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
> >> > In article <hOCdndzsZtWqiNneRVn-iA(a)got.net>, "Robert"
> >> > <RobertsSong(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Flycaster" <adam999forgetit(a)adelphia.net> wrote in message
> >> >> news:2uOdnV88rZTQNt7eRVn-hQ(a)adelphia.com...
> >> >> > I'm 66 yo, 6' tall and weigh 164, play 1.5-3 hours tennis (doubles
> >> >> > at
> >> >> > 3.5 level) 5-7 days/wk, lift weights every other day for 1 hour,
> >> >> > with
> >> >> > an
> >> >> > overall muscular and slender build and have always been active and
> >> >> > in
> >> >> > good shape and good health. My mother also was in great shape and
> >> >> > active, but with high cholesterol (controlled by diet and statin),
> >> >> > when
> >> >> > she suddenly died at 83 (no documented cause) while in apparently
> >> >> > good
> >> >> > health. My last two cholesterol tests (9/03 and 2/05) gave the
> >> >> > following values respectively:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Total: 205 220
> >> >> > HDL: 56 65
> >> >> > LDL: 139 139
> >> >> > Ratio: 3.7 3.4
> >> >> > Trigly: 52 82
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Although my cholesterol levels have always been in the 200-230
> >> >> > range,
> >> >> > none of my internists have opted for me to go on statins. They have
> >> >> > said that my "fat" profiles looked good and precluded the use of
> >> >> > statins. However, reading about the overall value of statins (I was
> >> >> > in
> >> >> > the pharmaceutical industry for 32 years and know something about
> >> >> > how
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > evaluate medical research) and their potential for
> >> >> > cardio-protectiveness,
> >> >>
> >> >> Statins reduce lipids and therefore antiarthrogenic and are
> >> >> cardio-protective during AMI.
> >> >> At your age I would take fish oils for cardio protection.
> >> >> Depending on the individual they may be hard to tolerate. I have
> >> >> always
> >> >> had
> >> >> GI problems before statins and they certainly don't help me with that.
> >> >
> >> > Robert,
> >> > Another great post. I hope that Sharon responds to the OP. I seem to
> >> > recall a study mentioned in her report that stated that elderly people
> >> > have more serious side effects when they take statins. I don't recall
> >> > the
> >> > reason. I just checked Dr. Cohen's book and he has a section on page
> >> > 76-78
> >> > labelled "Seniors and Statins". The first sentence in that section
> >> > states:
> >> > "Side effects hit seniors the hardest...the overall incidents of
> >> > adverse
> >> > drug reactions in the elderly is two to three times that found in young
> >> > adults."
> >> > Jason
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Jason
> >>
> >> elderly?? senior citizens??
> >>
> >> yikes the guy says he is 66....hardly elderly...senior citizen??
> >> well...maybe by definition that gives one discounts at IHOP and the
> >> movies...
> >>
> >> this "senior" is playing tennis hours almost daily...
> >>
> >> please consider this before calling him "elderly"
> >>
> >
> >
> > Great point. What's the newest term for people over the age of 65? I want
> > to be polit. correct. However, I have a difficult time keeping track of
> > the newest labels for members of various races of people and other groups
> > of people.
> > I was in a store the other day and I seem to recall a label saying that
> > people above the age of 60 were able to get the senior citizen's discount.
> > Perhaps you also have a problem with that chain store.
> >
>
>
>
> nah...I take ALL the over 60 discounts myself
>
> perhaps my intent was that at age 66...this guy is unlikely to be in
> whatever "elderly" subset described as being a problem in drugs...
>
> what is PC?? depends upon ONE"S own age I presume...at 52 you are not far
> from joining US
>
> again...at 66...and a vibrant active tennis playing 66...the OP is NOT to be
> considered "elderly" by any stretch...
>
> discounts at the movies is not equated with diminishing organ
> function...(which is what is intended in discussing probs with certain meds
> and the OLDER folks)....
>
> my h.o. of course

Hello,
I disagree with you related to this subject. I once played on a baseball
team while in high school. I am now 54 and my former coach is about 75
years old. He is in great shape and still plays tennis several times per
week. However, all of his organs are in much worse shape than the organs
in the body of a 25 year old man that is a couch potatoe. If both of the
above people were killed in a car accident today, do you think the heart
surgean would prefer to use the heart of my former coach or the healthy 25
year old man? If I had to guess, I don't think that hardly any heart
surgean in America would transplant the heart of a 75 year old person into
the body of a young man or young woman. Do you really believe that the
organs in a 66 year old man work as well as the organs in a healthy 25
year old man or woman? You should visit a rest home and talk to some of
the residents about their health problems. Also, visit the local college
and I doubt that any student you talk to will complain about their health
problems.
Jason

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From: Hawki63 on 7 Oct 2005 01:29

"Jason" <jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
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> In article <8Hf1f.867$B14.11(a)newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>,
> <Hawki63(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> "Jason" <jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:jason-0610051235290001(a)pm4-broad-25.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
>> > In article <1wd1f.1520$we3.1059(a)newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
>> > <Hawki63(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Jason" <jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:jason-0510051241560001(a)pm1-broad-107.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
>> >> > In article <hOCdndzsZtWqiNneRVn-iA(a)got.net>, "Robert"
>> >> > <RobertsSong(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "Flycaster" <adam999forgetit(a)adelphia.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:2uOdnV88rZTQNt7eRVn-hQ(a)adelphia.com...
>> >> >> > I'm 66 yo, 6' tall and weigh 164, play 1.5-3 hours tennis
>> >> >> > (doubles
>> >> >> > at
>> >> >> > 3.5 level) 5-7 days/wk, lift weights every other day for 1 hour,
>> >> >> > with
>> >> >> > an
>> >> >> > overall muscular and slender build and have always been active
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> > good shape and good health. My mother also was in great shape
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > active, but with high cholesterol (controlled by diet and
>> >> >> > statin),
>> >> >> > when
>> >> >> > she suddenly died at 83 (no documented cause) while in apparently
>> >> >> > good
>> >> >> > health. My last two cholesterol tests (9/03 and 2/05) gave the
>> >> >> > following values respectively:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Total: 205 220
>> >> >> > HDL: 56 65
>> >> >> > LDL: 139 139
>> >> >> > Ratio: 3.7 3.4
>> >> >> > Trigly: 52 82
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Although my cholesterol levels have always been in the 200-230
>> >> >> > range,
>> >> >> > none of my internists have opted for me to go on statins. They
>> >> >> > have
>> >> >> > said that my "fat" profiles looked good and precluded the use of
>> >> >> > statins. However, reading about the overall value of statins (I
>> >> >> > was
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> > the pharmaceutical industry for 32 years and know something about
>> >> >> > how
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > evaluate medical research) and their potential for
>> >> >> > cardio-protectiveness,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Statins reduce lipids and therefore antiarthrogenic and are
>> >> >> cardio-protective during AMI.
>> >> >> At your age I would take fish oils for cardio protection.
>> >> >> Depending on the individual they may be hard to tolerate. I have
>> >> >> always
>> >> >> had
>> >> >> GI problems before statins and they certainly don't help me with
>> >> >> that.
>> >> >
>> >> > Robert,
>> >> > Another great post. I hope that Sharon responds to the OP. I seem to
>> >> > recall a study mentioned in her report that stated that elderly
>> >> > people
>> >> > have more serious side effects when they take statins. I don't
>> >> > recall
>> >> > the
>> >> > reason. I just checked Dr. Cohen's book and he has a section on page
>> >> > 76-78
>> >> > labelled "Seniors and Statins". The first sentence in that section
>> >> > states:
>> >> > "Side effects hit seniors the hardest...the overall incidents of
>> >> > adverse
>> >> > drug reactions in the elderly is two to three times that found in
>> >> > young
>> >> > adults."
>> >> > Jason
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Jason
>> >>
>> >> elderly?? senior citizens??
>> >>
>> >> yikes the guy says he is 66....hardly elderly...senior citizen??
>> >> well...maybe by definition that gives one discounts at IHOP and the
>> >> movies...
>> >>
>> >> this "senior" is playing tennis hours almost daily...
>> >>
>> >> please consider this before calling him "elderly"
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > Great point. What's the newest term for people over the age of 65? I
>> > want
>> > to be polit. correct. However, I have a difficult time keeping track of
>> > the newest labels for members of various races of people and other
>> > groups
>> > of people.
>> > I was in a store the other day and I seem to recall a label saying that
>> > people above the age of 60 were able to get the senior citizen's
>> > discount.
>> > Perhaps you also have a problem with that chain store.
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> nah...I take ALL the over 60 discounts myself
>>
>> perhaps my intent was that at age 66...this guy is unlikely to be in
>> whatever "elderly" subset described as being a problem in drugs...
>>
>> what is PC?? depends upon ONE"S own age I presume...at 52 you are not
>> far
>> from joining US
>>
>> again...at 66...and a vibrant active tennis playing 66...the OP is NOT to
>> be
>> considered "elderly" by any stretch...
>>
>> discounts at the movies is not equated with diminishing organ
>> function...(which is what is intended in discussing probs with certain
>> meds
>> and the OLDER folks)....
>>
>> my h.o. of course
>
> Hello,
> I disagree with you related to this subject. I once played on a baseball
> team while in high school. I am now 54 and my former coach is about 75
> years old. He is in great shape and still plays tennis several times per
> week. However, all of his organs are in much worse shape than the organs
> in the body of a 25 year old man that is a couch potatoe. If both of the
> above people were killed in a car accident today, do you think the heart
> surgean would prefer to use the heart of my former coach or the healthy 25
> year old man? If I had to guess, I don't think that hardly any heart
> surgean in America would transplant the heart of a 75 year old person into
> the body of a young man or young woman. Do you really believe that the
> organs in a 66 year old man work as well as the organs in a healthy 25
> year old man or woman? You should visit a rest home and talk to some of
> the residents about their health problems. Also, visit the local college
> and I doubt that any student you talk to will complain about their health
> problems.
> Jason

what ARE you talking about?? who except YOU threw in a 25 year old??

the studies relating statins and the "elderly" did NOT mean to imply that 66
is elderly....perhaps you missed the part where the OP said his mother died
suddenly at 83...(it was she who was being referred to as elderly)



THAT is what I was getting at..

also..the "organs" of a 66 year old who plays tennis daily is NOT comparable
to those of an 85 year old...who MAY well have "elderly" type organs thus
statins may do more risk than benefit..

the OP was NOT asking who wanted his heart,,kidney or liver...

it was YOU who suddenly decided to argue about this 66 year old being in the
"elderly" category..thus he should jump and buy your book and read up on
statins and elderly

and YOU who jumps into a discussion of chelating agents and PAD and offering
ANOTHER ridiculous book about calcium...when no where no one has yet proven
that chelation can remove calcium...

sheesh Jason...you read WAYYY too many books that you cannot fully
understand


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From: Jason on 7 Oct 2005 12:28
In article <7Jn1f.1273$B14.8(a)newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>,
<Hawki63(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> "Jason" <jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:jason-0610051713280001(a)pm4-broad-0.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
> > In article <8Hf1f.867$B14.11(a)newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>,
> > <Hawki63(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> >> "Jason" <jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
> >> news:jason-0610051235290001(a)pm4-broad-25.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
> >> > In article <1wd1f.1520$we3.1059(a)newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
> >> > <Hawki63(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Jason" <jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:jason-0510051241560001(a)pm1-broad-107.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
> >> >> > In article <hOCdndzsZtWqiNneRVn-iA(a)got.net>, "Robert"
> >> >> > <RobertsSong(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> "Flycaster" <adam999forgetit(a)adelphia.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:2uOdnV88rZTQNt7eRVn-hQ(a)adelphia.com...
> >> >> >> > I'm 66 yo, 6' tall and weigh 164, play 1.5-3 hours tennis
> >> >> >> > (doubles
> >> >> >> > at
> >> >> >> > 3.5 level) 5-7 days/wk, lift weights every other day for 1 hour,
> >> >> >> > with
> >> >> >> > an
> >> >> >> > overall muscular and slender build and have always been active
> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> > in
> >> >> >> > good shape and good health. My mother also was in great shape
> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> > active, but with high cholesterol (controlled by diet and
> >> >> >> > statin),
> >> >> >> > when
> >> >> >> > she suddenly died at 83 (no documented cause) while in apparently
> >> >> >> > good
> >> >> >> > health. My last two cholesterol tests (9/03 and 2/05) gave the
> >> >> >> > following values respectively:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Total: 205 220
> >> >> >> > HDL: 56 65
> >> >> >> > LDL: 139 139
> >> >> >> > Ratio: 3.7 3.4
> >> >> >> > Trigly: 52 82
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Although my cholesterol levels have always been in the 200-230
> >> >> >> > range,
> >> >> >> > none of my internists have opted for me to go on statins. They
> >> >> >> > have
> >> >> >> > said that my "fat" profiles looked good and precluded the use of
> >> >> >> > statins. However, reading about the overall value of statins (I
> >> >> >> > was
> >> >> >> > in
> >> >> >> > the pharmaceutical industry for 32 years and know something about
> >> >> >> > how
> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> > evaluate medical research) and their potential for
> >> >> >> > cardio-protectiveness,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Statins reduce lipids and therefore antiarthrogenic and are
> >> >> >> cardio-protective during AMI.
> >> >> >> At your age I would take fish oils for cardio protection.
> >> >> >> Depending on the individual they may be hard to tolerate. I have
> >> >> >> always
> >> >> >> had
> >> >> >> GI problems before statins and they certainly don't help me with
> >> >> >> that.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Robert,
> >> >> > Another great post. I hope that Sharon responds to the OP. I seem to
> >> >> > recall a study mentioned in her report that stated that elderly
> >> >> > people
> >> >> > have more serious side effects when they take statins. I don't
> >> >> > recall
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > reason. I just checked Dr. Cohen's book and he has a section on page
> >> >> > 76-78
> >> >> > labelled "Seniors and Statins". The first sentence in that section
> >> >> > states:
> >> >> > "Side effects hit seniors the hardest...the overall incidents of
> >> >> > adverse
> >> >> > drug reactions in the elderly is two to three times that found in
> >> >> > young
> >> >> > adults."
> >> >> > Jason
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Jason
> >> >>
> >> >> elderly?? senior citizens??
> >> >>
> >> >> yikes the guy says he is 66....hardly elderly...senior citizen??
> >> >> well...maybe by definition that gives one discounts at IHOP and the
> >> >> movies...
> >> >>
> >> >> this "senior" is playing tennis hours almost daily...
> >> >>
> >> >> please consider this before calling him "elderly"
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Great point. What's the newest term for people over the age of 65? I
> >> > want
> >> > to be polit. correct. However, I have a difficult time keeping track of
> >> > the newest labels for members of various races of people and other
> >> > groups
> >> > of people.
> >> > I was in a store the other day and I seem to recall a label saying that
> >> > people above the age of 60 were able to get the senior citizen's
> >> > discount.
> >> > Perhaps you also have a problem with that chain store.
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> nah...I take ALL the over 60 discounts myself
> >>
> >> perhaps my intent was that at age 66...this guy is unlikely to be in
> >> whatever "elderly" subset described as being a problem in drugs...
> >>
> >> what is PC?? depends upon ONE"S own age I presume...at 52 you are not
> >> far
> >> from joining US
> >>
> >> again...at 66...and a vibrant active tennis playing 66...the OP is NOT to
> >> be
> >> considered "elderly" by any stretch...
> >>
> >> discounts at the movies is not equated with diminishing organ
> >> function...(which is what is intended in discussing probs with certain
> >> meds
> >> and the OLDER folks)....
> >>
> >> my h.o. of course
> >
> > Hello,
> > I disagree with you related to this subject. I once played on a baseball
> > team while in high school. I am now 54 and my former coach is about 75
> > years old. He is in great shape and still plays tennis several times per
> > week. However, all of his organs are in much worse shape than the organs
> > in the body of a 25 year old man that is a couch potatoe. If both of the
> > above people were killed in a car accident today, do you think the heart
> > surgean would prefer to use the heart of my former coach or the healthy 25
> > year old man? If I had to guess, I don't think that hardly any heart
> > surgean in America would transplant the heart of a 75 year old person into
> > the body of a young man or young woman. Do you really believe that the
> > organs in a 66 year old man work as well as the organs in a healthy 25
> > year old man or woman? You should visit a rest home and talk to some of
> > the residents about their health problems. Also, visit the local college
> > and I doubt that any student you talk to will complain about their health
> > problems.
> > Jason
>
> what ARE you talking about?? who except YOU threw in a 25 year old??
>
> the studies relating statins and the "elderly" did NOT mean to imply that 66
> is elderly....perhaps you missed the part where the OP said his mother died
> suddenly at 83...(it was she who was being referred to as elderly)
>
>
>
> THAT is what I was getting at..
>
> also..the "organs" of a 66 year old who plays tennis daily is NOT comparable
> to those of an 85 year old...who MAY well have "elderly" type organs thus
> statins may do more risk than benefit..
>
> the OP was NOT asking who wanted his heart,,kidney or liver...
>
> it was YOU who suddenly decided to argue about this 66 year old being in the
> "elderly" category..thus he should jump and buy your book and read up on
> statins and elderly
>
> and YOU who jumps into a discussion of chelating agents and PAD and offering
> ANOTHER ridiculous book about calcium...when no where no one has yet proven
> that chelation can remove calcium...
>
> sheesh Jason...you read WAYYY too many books that you cannot fully
> understand

Hello,
You made the same mistake that someone else made. You assume that you know
the details related to the medical treatment program discussed in the "The
Calcium Bomb". You should read the book before you assume that you know
everything that is in the book. The procedure must be done by a medical
doctor. It has a 80 per cent success rate. Hundreds of doctors perform the
procedure every day.
Related to elderly people:
At what age do people have "elderly" type organs?
My opinion is that most people start having "elderly" type organs between
the ages of 50 to 60. Of course, exercise, diet and genes play a role.
Jason

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From: listener on 7 Oct 2005 12:34
jason(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:jason-0710050928470001(a)pm1-broad-89.snlo.dialup.fix.net:

> In article <7Jn1f.1273$B14.8(a)newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>,
> <Hawki63(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> "Jason" <jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:jason-0610051713280001(a)pm4-broad-0.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
>> > In article <8Hf1f.867$B14.11(a)newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>,
>> > <Hawki63(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Jason" <jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:jason-0610051235290001(a)pm4-broad-25.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
>> >> > In article <1wd1f.1520$we3.1059(a)newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
>> >> > <Hawki63(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "Jason" <jason(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:jason-0510051241560001(a)pm1-broad-107.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
>> >> >> > In article <hOCdndzsZtWqiNneRVn-iA(a)got.net>, "Robert"
>> >> >> > <RobertsSong(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> "Flycaster" <adam999forgetit(a)adelphia.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:2uOdnV88rZTQNt7eRVn-hQ(a)adelphia.com...
>> >> >> >> > I'm 66 yo, 6' tall and weigh 164, play 1.5-3 hours tennis
>> >> >> >> > (doubles
>> >> >> >> > at
>> >> >> >> > 3.5 level) 5-7 days/wk, lift weights every other day for 1
>> >> >> >> > hour, with
>> >> >> >> > an
>> >> >> >> > overall muscular and slender build and have always been
>> >> >> >> > active and
>> >> >> >> > in
>> >> >> >> > good shape and good health. My mother also was in great
>> >> >> >> > shape and
>> >> >> >> > active, but with high cholesterol (controlled by diet and
>> >> >> >> > statin),
>> >> >> >> > when
>> >> >> >> > she suddenly died at 83 (no documented cause) while in
>> >> >> >> > apparently good
>> >> >> >> > health. My last two cholesterol tests (9/03 and 2/05)
>> >> >> >> > gave the following values respectively:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Total: 205 220
>> >> >> >> > HDL: 56 65
>> >> >> >> > LDL: 139 139
>> >> >> >> > Ratio: 3.7 3.4
>> >> >> >> > Trigly: 52 82
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Although my cholesterol levels have always been in the
>> >> >> >> > 200-230 range,
>> >> >> >> > none of my internists have opted for me to go on statins.
>> >> >> >> > They have
>> >> >> >> > said that my "fat" profiles looked good and precluded the
>> >> >> >> > use of statins. However, reading about the overall value
>> >> >> >> > of statins (I was
>> >> >> >> > in
>> >> >> >> > the pharmaceutical industry for 32 years and know
>> >> >> >> > something about how
>> >> >> >> > to
>> >> >> >> > evaluate medical research) and their potential for
>> >> >> >> > cardio-protectiveness,
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Statins reduce lipids and therefore antiarthrogenic and are
>> >> >> >> cardio-protective during AMI.
>> >> >> >> At your age I would take fish oils for cardio protection.
>> >> >> >> Depending on the individual they may be hard to tolerate. I
>> >> >> >> have always
>> >> >> >> had
>> >> >> >> GI problems before statins and they certainly don't help me
>> >> >> >> with that.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Robert,
>> >> >> > Another great post. I hope that Sharon responds to the OP. I
>> >> >> > seem to recall a study mentioned in her report that stated
>> >> >> > that elderly people
>> >> >> > have more serious side effects when they take statins. I
>> >> >> > don't recall
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > reason. I just checked Dr. Cohen's book and he has a section
>> >> >> > on page 76-78
>> >> >> > labelled "Seniors and Statins". The first sentence in that
>> >> >> > section states:
>> >> >> > "Side effects hit seniors the hardest...the overall incidents
>> >> >> > of adverse
>> >> >> > drug reactions in the elderly is two to three times that
>> >> >> > found in young
>> >> >> > adults."
>> >> >> > Jason
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Jason
>> >> >>
>> >> >> elderly?? senior citizens??
>> >> >>
>> >> >> yikes the guy says he is 66....hardly elderly...senior
>> >> >> citizen?? well...maybe by definition that gives one discounts
>> >> >> at IHOP and the movies...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> this "senior" is playing tennis hours almost daily...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> please consider this before calling him "elderly"
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Great point. What's the newest term for people over the age of
>> >> > 65? I want
>> >> > to be polit. correct. However, I have a difficult time keeping
>> >> > track of the newest labels for members of various races of
>> >> > people and other groups
>> >> > of people.
>> >> > I was in a store the other day and I seem to recall a label
>> >> > saying that people above the age of 60 were able to get the
>> >> > senior citizen's discount.
>> >> > Perhaps you also have a problem with that chain store.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> nah...I take ALL the over 60 discounts myself
>> >>
>> >> perhaps my intent was that at age 66...this guy is unlikely to be
>> >> in whatever "elderly" subset described as being a problem in
>> >> drugs...
>> >>
>> >> what is PC?? depends upon ONE"S own age I presume...at 52 you are
>> >> not far
>> >> from joining US
>> >>
>> >> again...at 66...and a vibrant active tennis playing 66...the OP is
>> >> NOT to be
>> >> considered "elderly" by any stretch...
>> >>
>> >> discounts at the movies is not equated with diminishing organ
>> >> function...(which is what is intended in discussing probs with
>> >> certain meds
>> >> and the OLDER folks)....
>> >>
>> >> my h.o. of course
>> >
>> > Hello,
>> > I disagree with you related to this subject. I once played on a
>> > baseball team while in high school. I am now 54 and my former coach
>> > is about 75 years old. He is in great shape and still plays tennis
>> > several times per week. However, all of his organs are in much
>> > worse shape than the organs in the body of a 25 year old man that
>> > is a couch potatoe. If both of the above people were killed in a
>> > car accident today, do you think the heart surgean would prefer to
>> > use the heart of my former coach or the healthy 25 year old man? If
>> > I had to guess, I don't think that hardly any heart surgean in
>> > America would transplant the heart of a 75 year old person into
>> > the body of a young man or young woman. Do you really believe that
>> > the organs in a 66 year old man work as well as the organs in a
>> > healthy 25 year old man or woman? You should visit a rest home and
>> > talk to some of the residents about their health problems. Also,
>> > visit the local college and I doubt that any student you talk to
>> > will complain about their health problems.
>> > Jason
>>
>> what ARE you talking about?? who except YOU threw in a 25 year old??
>>
>> the studies relating statins and the "elderly" did NOT mean to imply
>> that 66 is elderly....perhaps you missed the part where the OP said
>> his mother died suddenly at 83...(it was she who was being referred
>> to as elderly)
>>
>>
>>
>> THAT is what I was getting at..
>>
>> also..the "organs" of a 66 year old who plays tennis daily is NOT
>> comparable to those of an 85 year old...who MAY well have "elderly"
>> type organs thus statins may do more risk than benefit..
>>
>> the OP was NOT asking who wanted his heart,,kidney or liver...
>>
>> it was YOU who suddenly decided to argue about this 66 year old being
>> in the "elderly" category..thus he should jump and buy your book and
>> read up on statins and elderly
>>
>> and YOU who jumps into a discussion of chelating agents and PAD and
>> offering ANOTHER ridiculous book about calcium...when no where no one
>> has yet proven that chelation can remove calcium...
>>
>> sheesh Jason...you read WAYYY too many books that you cannot fully
>> understand
>
> Hello,
> You made the same mistake that someone else made. You assume that you
> know the details related to the medical treatment program discussed in
> the "The Calcium Bomb". You should read the book before you assume
> that you know everything that is in the book. The procedure must be
> done by a medical doctor. It has a 80 per cent success rate. Hundreds
> of doctors perform the procedure every day.
> Related to elderly people:
> At what age do people have "elderly" type organs?
> My opinion is that most people start having "elderly" type organs
> between the ages of 50 to 60. Of course, exercise, diet and genes play
> a role. Jason
>

Jason,

I'm afraid your "elderly" type brain has gone senile.

L.
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