Perchlorate & Fireworks - Kitsap Peninsula & Dartmouth
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From: kgrhoads on 24 Jun 2008 08:24 Rod wrote: > In my regular finding of thing related to thyroid, I saw the story below > about fireworks. (I have made obvious edits to reduce its length - the > URL at the end should let you see it in full.) > > After reading that, I had a very quick look on the web and found the > Dartmouth paper - see further down for the MassDEP article - which > includes links to the full report and appendices. I don't think that > this particular paper has been mentioned here before now. > > Does anyone happen to know if perchlorates are used in fireworks around > the globe? Or are they restricted in some countries? > > I don't know about legal restrictions, but it is not necessary to use perchlorates in making fireworks. Certain kinds of fireworks don't need these at all. THis sounds a lot like the laws that ban disposing of a refrigerator unless the door is first removed -- even though refrigerators with real LATCHES on doors haven't been made for many decades. This is a call to ban all fireworks, just because some have perchlorates. And why do they have perchlorates? Because they are mostly manufactured in Asian countries, since trying to manufacture fireworks in the USofA is almost a certain recipe for bankruptcy these days. So let's ban fireworks for perchlorate, even those that don't contain any, but we'll let all the defense contractors who pollute the groundwater with perchlorate continue doing that. Bah, humbug. I don't know if this person is clueless, or a shill, or just nuts on the issue of fireworks -- but calling for a ban on fireworks for perchlorate while ignoring the industrial polluters is just plain useless. It does not solve the problem. It does create the illusion of doing something. It obscures the real issues (like perchlorate contamination -- from ALL sources). So it dissipates real drive to solve the total problem by concentrating on one trivial aspect. MHOO -- I don't believe trying to bandaid a minor part of the overall problem is a good thing.
From: Rod on 24 Jun 2008 08:44 kgrhoads(a)alum.mit.edu wrote: > > Rod wrote: >> In my regular finding of thing related to thyroid, I saw the story below >> about fireworks. (I have made obvious edits to reduce its length - the >> URL at the end should let you see it in full.) >> >> After reading that, I had a very quick look on the web and found the >> Dartmouth paper - see further down for the MassDEP article - which >> includes links to the full report and appendices. I don't think that >> this particular paper has been mentioned here before now. >> >> Does anyone happen to know if perchlorates are used in fireworks around >> the globe? Or are they restricted in some countries? >> >> > > I don't know about legal restrictions, but it is not necessary to use > perchlorates in making fireworks. Certain kinds of fireworks don't > need these at all. > > THis sounds a lot like the laws that ban disposing of a refrigerator > unless the door is first removed -- even though refrigerators with > real LATCHES on doors haven't been made for many decades. > This is a call to ban all fireworks, just because some have > perchlorates. And why do they have perchlorates? Because > they are mostly manufactured in Asian countries, since trying to > manufacture fireworks in the USofA is almost a certain recipe > for bankruptcy these days. > > So let's ban fireworks for perchlorate, even those that don't > contain any, but we'll let all the defense contractors who > pollute the groundwater with perchlorate continue doing > that. > > Bah, humbug. > > I don't know if this person is clueless, or a shill, or just nuts > on the issue of fireworks -- but calling for a ban on fireworks > for perchlorate while ignoring the industrial polluters is > just plain useless. > > It does not solve the problem. It does create the illusion of > doing something. It obscures the real issues (like perchlorate > contamination -- from ALL sources). So it dissipates real > drive to solve the total problem by concentrating on one > trivial aspect. > > MHOO -- I don't believe trying to bandaid a minor part of > the overall problem is a good thing. Like it! I did look back over a.s.t and saw your name several times - what, 1999 or so? So I expected a response sometime. She does appear to be concentrating on fireworks to the exclusion of all else. Mind, I have some sympathy - we seem to get them day after day at certain times of year (not just a few celebratory evenings/nights) and the noise and smell is deeply unpleasant. Funnily enough, several fridges initially appear to be made with latches - but they actually hide a wimpy magnetic devices. -- Rod Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious onset. Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed. <www.thyromind.info> <www.thyroiduk.org> <www.altsupportthyroid.org>
From: Alan B. Mac Farlane on 24 Jun 2008 13:08 in article 6cbnhqF3em79kU1(a)mid.individual.net, Rod at polygonum(a)ntlworld.com wrote on 6/24/08 12:54 AM: > Does anyone happen to know if perchlorates are used in fireworks around > the globe? rocket fuel ... pretty hot stuff ... expensive as well. I would not put them in fireworks when there is bigger bang for the burned buck elsewhere. With the Bush economy magic finally kicking in ... people will be less inclined to burn money on the 4th of July as they have to buy gas to burn. sumbuddie on da watchtower :(
From: Alan B. Mac Farlane on 24 Jun 2008 13:15 in article 6cbnhqF3em79kU1(a)mid.individual.net, Rod at polygonum(a)ntlworld.com wrote on 6/24/08 12:54 AM: > Or are they restricted in some countries? when the rocket fuel squirts out some 200 miles down wind ... metric tons of it mind you ... there are no restrictions, no fences or walls or laws that can be built to keep it out ... as it goes round the world. Mostly stays in the upper hemisphere ... and what squirts out downunder mostly stays there. Ocean currents squirt all over the place eventually ... so it helps kill the oceans along with Agent Orange, Dioxin, Zkylon B, DDT, Paraquat, Yard Guard, anything that kills a green thing on land, kills green things in the water. Kill all the evil green things God made, then people start to die as well. The toddler tantrum not properly handled makes for such judgement, expectation, justification, invalidation and magical thinking. It is Jonestown on a global scale, squirt your koolaid and eat it. Ancient Rome was built on lead pipes ... and lead poisoning after a few baby generations being born ... twists the mind it does. History follows with its stinking thinking ... all hail Moses and his Serpent Staff of dark powers called good. sumbuddie wear blind sea NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency may have read this email without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the current President.
From: bje on 24 Jun 2008 17:06
<kgrhoads(a)alum.mit.edu> wrote in message news:1eace0cf-79fc-4e55-9b4f-5cd015d29348(a)2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com... > > > THis sounds a lot like the laws that ban disposing of a refrigerator > unless the door is first removed -- even though refrigerators with > real LATCHES on doors haven't been made for many decades. > Be fair. Some of the kids & pets who somehow got stuck in them don't have the strength or know-how to open even the doors that are on there now. And there are decades-old fridges still in use! bj |