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From: Andy Hall on 8 Jul 2008 20:27 On 2008-07-09 01:16:50 +0100, DaveT <justask(a)private.org> said: > On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:57:54 +0100, Andy Hall wrote: > >> On 2008-07-08 16:08:13 +0100, DaveT <justask(a)private.org> said: >> > snip >> >> The actual wasters of the taxpayers funds are the large number of non >> productive public sector employees in NHS management and administration. >> Unfortunately, many are probably unemployable in the real world so >> would otherwise be consuming tax payers money even less productively. > > The proper job title they have is the PCTs. The NHS has no management > now, in the way you are talking about. The outcome is disappointingly the same so I would lump them in together > Wait till these 4 major companies get their feet under the table. They > already are involved in advising how the contracts should be awarded and > it was admitted they could give the contracts to themselves. One of the > four companies is due in court in America and has already lost a case or > two. These are not claims about neglect or dodgy services to patient but > are cases brought by different states about their behaviour with funds > and insurance lapses. Rip off Britain again! Should have said England > because only we are to be honoured with this setup. > It will be nothing like what I understand you are expecting. We shall see. It certainly will be a positive move to reduce the involvement of the public sector in healthcare delivery.
From: alf on 9 Jul 2008 01:25 DaveT wrote: > Did anyone see Panorama last night? They were on about the private run > surgeries. I think my feelings on the subject were right this, could be > the end for the NHS as we open the doors to have the American big 4 to > run it. So I guess even the shareholders will not be British. It will be > a waste of tax payers money. > If you missed it, it is worth looking out for a repeat if they have one. > The Panorama programme "NHS for sale" is repeated here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00cjsk6 -- Alf Alc 11/5.9/<6 T2 DX 01/2001 200ug Levothyroxine 75mg Aspirin 20mg Enalapril Maleate 400mg Ibuprofen 105/95/90kg
From: Dave A on 9 Jul 2008 02:37 On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 01:27:37 +0100, Andy Hall <andyh(a)hall.nospam> wrote: >On 2008-07-09 01:16:50 +0100, DaveT <justask(a)private.org> said: > >> On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:57:54 +0100, Andy Hall wrote: >> >>> On 2008-07-08 16:08:13 +0100, DaveT <justask(a)private.org> said: >>> >> snip >>> >>> The actual wasters of the taxpayers funds are the large number of non >>> productive public sector employees in NHS management and administration. >>> Unfortunately, many are probably unemployable in the real world so >>> would otherwise be consuming tax payers money even less productively. >> >> The proper job title they have is the PCTs. The NHS has no management >> now, in the way you are talking about. > >The outcome is disappointingly the same so I would lump them in together > > >> Wait till these 4 major companies get their feet under the table. They >> already are involved in advising how the contracts should be awarded and >> it was admitted they could give the contracts to themselves. One of the >> four companies is due in court in America and has already lost a case or >> two. These are not claims about neglect or dodgy services to patient but >> are cases brought by different states about their behaviour with funds >> and insurance lapses. Rip off Britain again! Should have said England >> because only we are to be honoured with this setup. >> It will be nothing like what I understand you are expecting. > >We shall see. It certainly will be a positive move to reduce the >involvement of the public sector in healthcare delivery. > Sure, just like it was a positive move to reduce the involvement of the public sector on the railways - for the fat cats running the railway companies. The public sector isn't very good or efficient at running complex expensive health services, but the private sector is much, much worse. And there is at least some slim chance that public services can be held to account for their mistakes and forced to change their ways.
From: Trinkwasser on 9 Jul 2008 13:36 On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 06:25:12 +0100, alf <alfsemail(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >DaveT wrote: >> Did anyone see Panorama last night? They were on about the private run >> surgeries. I think my feelings on the subject were right this, could be >> the end for the NHS as we open the doors to have the American big 4 to >> run it. So I guess even the shareholders will not be British. It will be >> a waste of tax payers money. >> If you missed it, it is worth looking out for a repeat if they have one. >> > >The Panorama programme "NHS for sale" is repeated here: > >http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00cjsk6 Repeated (with handwaving) Frifday 0025 BBC1 (ie after midnight on thursday <G>)
From: Trinkwasser on 9 Jul 2008 13:41
On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 21:57:54 +0100, Andy Hall <andyh(a)hall.nospam> wrote: >The actual wasters of the taxpayers funds are the large number of non >productive public sector employees in NHS management and >administration. Unfortunately, many are probably unemployable in the >real world so would otherwise be consuming tax payers money even less >productively. The only thing you got right. There are more managers than nurses and more clerical than medical staff, this has been true since the 80s or 90s, can't exactly remember when. The New System simply means that on top of them, government money (ie. our taxes) will also be handed to US companies to inflate their profits so will not be spent on actual healthcare for entirely different similar reasons than it isn't today. |