From: Linda on
On Oct 5, 10:23 am, Raving <raving.loo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 5, 11:04 am, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...(a)yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 5, 8:13 am, Mark Probert <markprob...(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote:
>
> > > Twittering One wrote:
> > > > The New York Times
> > > > October 4, 2007
>
> > > > Motherly Act Began Events That Led to Gotbaum Death
> > > > By JOHN SULLIVAN
>
> > > > Carol A. Gotbaum was supposed to fly directly to Tucson last Friday to
> > > > enter an alcohol rehabilitation program, but she delayed her departure
> > > > to see her children off to school, her family said. The delay and the
> > > > resulting nondirect flight were part of a series of circumstances that
> > > > led to Ms. Gotbaum's confrontation with the police at the Phoenix
> > > > airport, and to her subsequent death in police custody.
>
> > > > The events surrounding her arrest are now under investigation, and the
> > > > Phoenix Police Department said yesterday that it had a videotape of
> > > > the arrest itself. But according to her family members and their
> > > > lawyer, if the day had gone as planned, Ms. Gotbaum would not have
> > > > been there at all.
>
> > > > Ms. Gotbaum, 45, the stepdaughter-in-law of New York City's public
> > > > advocate, Betsy Gotbaum, was originally scheduled to fly directly to
> > > > Tucson for an alcohol rehabilitation program. But Ms. Gotbaum, who
> > > > lived on the Upper West Side, delayed her flight because she wanted to
> > > > say goodbye to her three children, two of whom were attending a new
> > > > grammar school.
>
> > > > The change meant a connection through the busy Phoenix Sky Harbor
> > > > International Airport. Her husband, Noah, was apparently comfortable
> > > > letting her fly alone because she was to meet a couple she knew at a
> > > > stopover in Phoenix, the family said.
>
> > > > But Ms. Gotbaum arrived too late to make the connecting flight to
> > > > Tucson, the family's lawyer, Michael C. Manning, said.
>
> > > > According to a spokesman for Mesa Airlines, which operates the flight
> > > > Ms. Gotbaum was to take, she arrived at the gate after boarding was
> > > > completed. The passageway to the airliner was closed, and the plane
> > > > was about to take off, said Paul Skellon, a spokesman for Mesa.
>
> > > > According to the Phoenix police, Ms. Gotbaum began arguing with the
> > > > ticket agents, insisting that she be allowed to board the plane. The
> > > > police were called, and officers saw Ms. Gotbaum "yelling and
> > > > screaming" and running through the concourse, said Sgt. Andy Hill of
> > > > the Phoenix police.
>
> > > > Sergeant Hill said that the officers tried unsuccessfully to calm Ms.
> > > > Gotbaum, finally handcuffing her and arresting her on charges of
> > > > disorderly conduct. But that account is now disputed by Mr. Manning.
>
> > > > Mr. Manning said yesterday that his office had interviewed three
> > > > witnesses to the confrontation.
>
> > > > "The police approached her, according to witnesses, made no effort to
> > > > speak to her, calm her or assess the situation," he said. "Two of them
> > > > immediately took her to the ground."
>
> > > > Mr. Manning said witnesses recounted that Ms. Gotbaum was not
> > > > threatening anyone, and instead was yelling, "I am not a terrorist, I
> > > > am not a criminal, I am just a sick mother, I need to get help."
>
> > > > Sergeant Hill said tersely yesterday that the account of Mr. Manning's
> > > > witnesses was "not true."
>
> > > > "The officers did try to calm her down," he said, adding that the
> > > > arrest followed police procedure. "When we release the video, everyone
> > > > will see." He did not say when the video would be released.
>
> > > > Ms. Gotbaum was placed in a police holding cell at the airport; her
> > > > hands were cuffed behind her, with a metal chain about two feet long
> > > > attaching the handcuffs to a bench, Sergeant Hill said. She continued
> > > > yelling in the cell, he said, and was left alone for 5 to 10 minutes.
> > > > After she stopped shouting, the officers looked in the cell, he said,
> > > > and found Ms. Gotbaum unconscious with the chain stretched across her
> > > > neck. Attempts by the police and medical workers to revive her were
> > > > unsuccessful.
>
> > > > Mr. Manning also criticized the officers' actions in the holding cell,
> > > > saying they should have obtained a medical evaluation for Ms. Gotbaum
> > > > and should not have left her alone.
>
> > > > "You don't leave an emotionally disturbed citizen shackled with that
> > > > kind of potential weapon or device they could use to hurt themselves,"
> > > > he said.
>
> > > > The cause of death is under investigation, and an autopsy was
> > > > performed on Tuesday evening by the Maricopa County medical examiner.
> > > > David Boyer, a spokesman for the medical examiner, said the results of
> > > > the autopsy would not be released until laboratory results were
> > > > completed in a few weeks.
>
> > > > A pathologist hired by the Gotbaum family, Dr. Cyril H. Wecht, was
> > > > allowed to perform a separate examination, Mr. Manning said. He said
> > > > yesterday that Dr. Wecht would wait for lab results before announcing
> > > > his conclusion. But he added that a private investigator who also
> > > > attended the exam said Ms. Gotbaum exhibited signs of "very serious
> > > > trauma," including bruises and a mark on her neck from the metal
> > > > chain.
>
> > > > Eric Konigsberg contributed reporting.
>
> > > >http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/04/nyregion/04gotbaum.html?ref=nyregion
>
> > > Why was she traveling alone? This family surely could have afforded a
> > > companion.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > Not a bad question...
> > It really is a shame. With a slight change of circumstances, this
> > woman would be in a treatment center. Its a senseless loss of life,
> > regardless of fault, liability, or blame.
>
> > Currently, the investigation is incomplete. How long do you think it
> > will be before some whack-job tries to blame it on the Pharmaceutical
> > Industry in particular or conventional medicine in general?
>
> Maybe after 'Koochers Kooks' get fingered for it explicitly, IMO.

:-)

But, no....

Koochers Lying Kooks (except Canadians mercenaries like Jack Lazaik
who apparently report to the exec branch) take their orders from the
US Military and Intelligence Agencies.

Criminalization of US Law Enforcement Agencies was occaisioned by
their centralization via FALCON which all take their orders from the
US Marshall---therefore the psychotic (supposedly dry) drunk in the
oval office.

Two different and distinct armies of defenders, supporters, and
aplogists for criminally insane American rightwing.

All discouraged from breaking ranks by Bush's very own personal
criminally insane 20,000 strong Praetorian Guard aka Blackwater, Inc.

Welcome to the NEW Dark Age.


..

From: Raving ( Virgin Sturgeon ) on
On Oct 5, 9:58 pm, Linda <Indomitab...(a)netzero.com> wrote:
> On Oct 5, 10:23 am, Raving <raving.loo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 5, 11:04 am, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...(a)yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 5, 8:13 am, Mark Probert <markprob...(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Twittering One wrote:
> > > > > The New York Times
> > > > > October 4, 2007
>
> > > > > Motherly Act Began Events That Led to Gotbaum Death
> > > > > By JOHN SULLIVAN
>
> > > > > Carol A. Gotbaum was supposed to fly directly to Tucson last Friday to
> > > > > enter an alcohol rehabilitation program, but she delayed her departure
> > > > > to see her children off to school, her family said. The delay and the
> > > > > resulting nondirect flight were part of a series of circumstances that
> > > > > led to Ms. Gotbaum's confrontation with the police at the Phoenix
> > > > > airport, and to her subsequent death in police custody.
>
> > > > > The events surrounding her arrest are now under investigation, and the
> > > > > Phoenix Police Department said yesterday that it had a videotape of
> > > > > the arrest itself. But according to her family members and their
> > > > > lawyer, if the day had gone as planned, Ms. Gotbaum would not have
> > > > > been there at all.
>
> > > > > Ms. Gotbaum, 45, the stepdaughter-in-law of New York City's public
> > > > > advocate, Betsy Gotbaum, was originally scheduled to fly directly to
> > > > > Tucson for an alcohol rehabilitation program. But Ms. Gotbaum, who
> > > > > lived on the Upper West Side, delayed her flight because she wanted to
> > > > > say goodbye to her three children, two of whom were attending a new
> > > > > grammar school.
>
> > > > > The change meant a connection through the busy Phoenix Sky Harbor
> > > > > International Airport. Her husband, Noah, was apparently comfortable
> > > > > letting her fly alone because she was to meet a couple she knew at a
> > > > > stopover in Phoenix, the family said.
>
> > > > > But Ms. Gotbaum arrived too late to make the connecting flight to
> > > > > Tucson, the family's lawyer, Michael C. Manning, said.
>
> > > > > According to a spokesman for Mesa Airlines, which operates the flight
> > > > > Ms. Gotbaum was to take, she arrived at the gate after boarding was
> > > > > completed. The passageway to the airliner was closed, and the plane
> > > > > was about to take off, said Paul Skellon, a spokesman for Mesa.
>
> > > > > According to the Phoenix police, Ms. Gotbaum began arguing with the
> > > > > ticket agents, insisting that she be allowed to board the plane. The
> > > > > police were called, and officers saw Ms. Gotbaum "yelling and
> > > > > screaming" and running through the concourse, said Sgt. Andy Hill of
> > > > > the Phoenix police.
>
> > > > > Sergeant Hill said that the officers tried unsuccessfully to calm Ms.
> > > > > Gotbaum, finally handcuffing her and arresting her on charges of
> > > > > disorderly conduct. But that account is now disputed by Mr. Manning.
>
> > > > > Mr. Manning said yesterday that his office had interviewed three
> > > > > witnesses to the confrontation.
>
> > > > > "The police approached her, according to witnesses, made no effort to
> > > > > speak to her, calm her or assess the situation," he said. "Two of them
> > > > > immediately took her to the ground."
>
> > > > > Mr. Manning said witnesses recounted that Ms. Gotbaum was not
> > > > > threatening anyone, and instead was yelling, "I am not a terrorist, I
> > > > > am not a criminal, I am just a sick mother, I need to get help."
>
> > > > > Sergeant Hill said tersely yesterday that the account of Mr. Manning's
> > > > > witnesses was "not true."
>
> > > > > "The officers did try to calm her down," he said, adding that the
> > > > > arrest followed police procedure. "When we release the video, everyone
> > > > > will see." He did not say when the video would be released.
>
> > > > > Ms. Gotbaum was placed in a police holding cell at the airport; her
> > > > > hands were cuffed behind her, with a metal chain about two feet long
> > > > > attaching the handcuffs to a bench, Sergeant Hill said. She continued
> > > > > yelling in the cell, he said, and was left alone for 5 to 10 minutes.
> > > > > After she stopped shouting, the officers looked in the cell, he said,
> > > > > and found Ms. Gotbaum unconscious with the chain stretched across her
> > > > > neck. Attempts by the police and medical workers to revive her were
> > > > > unsuccessful.
>
> > > > > Mr. Manning also criticized the officers' actions in the holding cell,
> > > > > saying they should have obtained a medical evaluation for Ms. Gotbaum
> > > > > and should not have left her alone.
>
> > > > > "You don't leave an emotionally disturbed citizen shackled with that
> > > > > kind of potential weapon or device they could use to hurt themselves,"
> > > > > he said.
>
> > > > > The cause of death is under investigation, and an autopsy was
> > > > > performed on Tuesday evening by the Maricopa County medical examiner.
> > > > > David Boyer, a spokesman for the medical examiner, said the results of
> > > > > the autopsy would not be released until laboratory results were
> > > > > completed in a few weeks.
>
> > > > > A pathologist hired by the Gotbaum family, Dr. Cyril H. Wecht, was
> > > > > allowed to perform a separate examination, Mr. Manning said. He said
> > > > > yesterday that Dr. Wecht would wait for lab results before announcing
> > > > > his conclusion. But he added that a private investigator who also
> > > > > attended the exam said Ms. Gotbaum exhibited signs of "very serious
> > > > > trauma," including bruises and a mark on her neck from the metal
> > > > > chain.
>
> > > > > Eric Konigsberg contributed reporting.
>
> > > > >http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/04/nyregion/04gotbaum.html?ref=nyregion
>
> > > > Why was she traveling alone? This family surely could have afforded a
> > > > companion.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > Not a bad question...
> > > It really is a shame. With a slight change of circumstances, this
> > > woman would be in a treatment center. Its a senseless loss of life,
> > > regardless of fault, liability, or blame.
>
> > > Currently, the investigation is incomplete. How long do you think it
> > > will be before some whack-job tries to blame it on the Pharmaceutical
> > > Industry in particular or conventional medicine in general?
>
> > Maybe after 'Koochers Kooks' get fingered for it explicitly, IMO.
>
> :-)
>
> But, no....
>
> Koochers Lying Kooks (except Canadians mercenaries like Jack Lazaik
> who apparently report to the exec branch) take their orders from the
> US Military and Intelligence Agencies.
Millitary Intelligence - oxymoron.

[snip]

> Welcome to the NEW Dark Age.
Welcome to the new gmail account.

Cordially,

Raving

From: Mark Probert on
The One True Zhen Jue wrote:
> On Oct 5, 8:13 am, Mark Probert <markprob...(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote:
>> Twittering One wrote:
>>> The New York Times
>>> October 4, 2007
>>> Motherly Act Began Events That Led to Gotbaum Death
>>> By JOHN SULLIVAN
>>> Carol A. Gotbaum was supposed to fly directly to Tucson last Friday to
>>> enter an alcohol rehabilitation program, but she delayed her departure
>>> to see her children off to school, her family said. The delay and the
>>> resulting nondirect flight were part of a series of circumstances that
>>> led to Ms. Gotbaum's confrontation with the police at the Phoenix
>>> airport, and to her subsequent death in police custody.
>>> The events surrounding her arrest are now under investigation, and the
>>> Phoenix Police Department said yesterday that it had a videotape of
>>> the arrest itself. But according to her family members and their
>>> lawyer, if the day had gone as planned, Ms. Gotbaum would not have
>>> been there at all.
>>> Ms. Gotbaum, 45, the stepdaughter-in-law of New York City's public
>>> advocate, Betsy Gotbaum, was originally scheduled to fly directly to
>>> Tucson for an alcohol rehabilitation program. But Ms. Gotbaum, who
>>> lived on the Upper West Side, delayed her flight because she wanted to
>>> say goodbye to her three children, two of whom were attending a new
>>> grammar school.
>>> The change meant a connection through the busy Phoenix Sky Harbor
>>> International Airport. Her husband, Noah, was apparently comfortable
>>> letting her fly alone because she was to meet a couple she knew at a
>>> stopover in Phoenix, the family said.
>>> But Ms. Gotbaum arrived too late to make the connecting flight to
>>> Tucson, the family's lawyer, Michael C. Manning, said.
>>> According to a spokesman for Mesa Airlines, which operates the flight
>>> Ms. Gotbaum was to take, she arrived at the gate after boarding was
>>> completed. The passageway to the airliner was closed, and the plane
>>> was about to take off, said Paul Skellon, a spokesman for Mesa.
>>> According to the Phoenix police, Ms. Gotbaum began arguing with the
>>> ticket agents, insisting that she be allowed to board the plane. The
>>> police were called, and officers saw Ms. Gotbaum "yelling and
>>> screaming" and running through the concourse, said Sgt. Andy Hill of
>>> the Phoenix police.
>>> Sergeant Hill said that the officers tried unsuccessfully to calm Ms.
>>> Gotbaum, finally handcuffing her and arresting her on charges of
>>> disorderly conduct. But that account is now disputed by Mr. Manning.
>>> Mr. Manning said yesterday that his office had interviewed three
>>> witnesses to the confrontation.
>>> "The police approached her, according to witnesses, made no effort to
>>> speak to her, calm her or assess the situation," he said. "Two of them
>>> immediately took her to the ground."
>>> Mr. Manning said witnesses recounted that Ms. Gotbaum was not
>>> threatening anyone, and instead was yelling, "I am not a terrorist, I
>>> am not a criminal, I am just a sick mother, I need to get help."
>>> Sergeant Hill said tersely yesterday that the account of Mr. Manning's
>>> witnesses was "not true."
>>> "The officers did try to calm her down," he said, adding that the
>>> arrest followed police procedure. "When we release the video, everyone
>>> will see." He did not say when the video would be released.
>>> Ms. Gotbaum was placed in a police holding cell at the airport; her
>>> hands were cuffed behind her, with a metal chain about two feet long
>>> attaching the handcuffs to a bench, Sergeant Hill said. She continued
>>> yelling in the cell, he said, and was left alone for 5 to 10 minutes.
>>> After she stopped shouting, the officers looked in the cell, he said,
>>> and found Ms. Gotbaum unconscious with the chain stretched across her
>>> neck. Attempts by the police and medical workers to revive her were
>>> unsuccessful.
>>> Mr. Manning also criticized the officers' actions in the holding cell,
>>> saying they should have obtained a medical evaluation for Ms. Gotbaum
>>> and should not have left her alone.
>>> "You don't leave an emotionally disturbed citizen shackled with that
>>> kind of potential weapon or device they could use to hurt themselves,"
>>> he said.
>>> The cause of death is under investigation, and an autopsy was
>>> performed on Tuesday evening by the Maricopa County medical examiner.
>>> David Boyer, a spokesman for the medical examiner, said the results of
>>> the autopsy would not be released until laboratory results were
>>> completed in a few weeks.
>>> A pathologist hired by the Gotbaum family, Dr. Cyril H. Wecht, was
>>> allowed to perform a separate examination, Mr. Manning said. He said
>>> yesterday that Dr. Wecht would wait for lab results before announcing
>>> his conclusion. But he added that a private investigator who also
>>> attended the exam said Ms. Gotbaum exhibited signs of "very serious
>>> trauma," including bruises and a mark on her neck from the metal
>>> chain.
>>> Eric Konigsberg contributed reporting.
>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/04/nyregion/04gotbaum.html?ref=nyregion
>> Why was she traveling alone? This family surely could have afforded a
>> companion.- Hide quoted text -
>
> Not a bad question...
> It really is a shame. With a slight change of circumstances, this
> woman would be in a treatment center. Its a senseless loss of life,
> regardless of fault, liability, or blame.
>
> Currently, the investigation is incomplete. How long do you think it
> will be before some whack-job tries to blame it on the Pharmaceutical
> Industry in particular or conventional medicine in general?

Hopefully never.
From: Twittering One on
The New York Times

October 8, 2007
Op-Ed Columnist

Terror and Demons
By ROGER COHEN
History happens, but only just. The lives of individuals, as of
nations, may hinge on a millimeter's difference in the trajectory of a
bullet, a road not taken on a whim or the random spray of shrapnel.
But there is no undoing what is done.

Nothing, for example, can bring back the life of Carol Ann Gotbaum,
45, whose terrible end in a holding cell at the Phoenix airport was
chronicled in a Times report by Eric Konigsberg. Depressive and
fighting alcoholism, Carol missed a connection by minutes. She became
hysterical and was subdued, handcuffed, shackled, abandoned and found
dead with the shackle across her neck.

All this happened fast. We can hear her cry: "I'm not a terrorist. I'm
a sick mother."

We can see the heavy-handed police officers, their sense of mission
redoubled by the alcohol on her breath, muscling Carol to the ground.

In their zeal - for American airports are now temples of zealotry -
they would not have imagined her three young children, her distraught
husband, much less the dislocated life that had put her en route,
alone, to an Arizona addiction-treatment clinic.

As it happened, on another perfect New York morning redolent of the
endless summer of 2001 (a time when sunlight mocked pain), I was
particularly affected by Carol's story; and here I am writing about
her, rather than brave monks in Burma, because certain signals are too
powerful to ignore.

In many particulars - her South African upbringing, her uprooted life,
her acute postpartum depression after the birth of her last child, her
hard-working and often absent husband, her radiant smile overlying
pain and her powerlessness before her own self-destructive urges -
Carol resembled my mother.

So having read about Carol, my head filled with her disoriented rage
before punitive officialdom, I did something I rarely do. I went back
and read my mother's suicide note of July 25, 1978.

The note reads in part: "It's as though I've turned to stone. I can't
relate, I can't communicate and I can no longer bear the pain and
gloom I cause to those I love most. I feel I'll never completely throw
off this mood and hopelessness and depression. I know I have
everything to thank God for and be thankful for, which only makes my
ordeal worse and worse."

In conclusion, my mother asks if "my body - any part of it - can be
used for research." With that, she downed valium, antidepressant drugs
and gin.

That was almost the end of the story, or the start of a different tale
of anguish, but my father, a doctor, found her just in time. Her life
hung in the balance and was salvaged. Other suicide notes would follow
- one of June 15, 1982, says: "I'm just too tired to fight anymore" -
but never again was the attempt so serious.

Technology leaps forward. Medicine advances. Lives grow longer.
Diseases are vanquished. But the brain, and in particular the vagaries
of mental illness, present mysteries as deep as the elusive enigma of
life itself.

When Carol, raised in Cape Town, had her postpartum depression after
the birth of her now 3-year-old son, she was a relative newcomer in
New York. When my mother, raised in Johannesburg, had hers after the
birth of my sister in 1957, she was new to London, with its chill
postwar pall.

What happened to my mother in the 1950s - insulin shock therapy,
electric shock treatment, hospitalization in harrowing wards; things
about which she could never speak without a shudder - were of that
time. Nobody would have treated Carol's despair, or anybody's, like
that today.

But the riddle remains, etched in radiant mothers' faces clutching
laughing children, faces that seem to mock the very idea of panic,
delusion and suicidal self-hatred, but contain them nonetheless.

You can look at Carol's end in many ways: as an innocent's devastating
encounter with terror-obsessed police, as a ghastly but haphazard
event, as a death foretold.

In the days of the Irish Republican Army's terrorism in London, my
mother was thrown into what amounted to a holding cell at Fortnum and
Mason, the department store, after she left a bag unattended. Under
questioning, she became hysterical, confused, unhinged - and was
locked up. There was no shackle, however.

Thus do the affairs of the world intersect with individuals' pain. The
upshot then rests on a razor's edge. Lives veer into a vortex.

Carol Ann Gotbaum and June Bernice Cohen are dead. Cancer took my
mother in 1999; she viewed the illness as a trifle beside depression.
Her favorite book, unsurprisingly, was "Anna Karenina." Her favorite
line was from "Othello": "What wound did ever heal but by degrees?"

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/08/opinion/08cohen.html

From: Twittering One on
"The first couple of times you are shackled by hanfcuffs and
forcefully "taken down" is very, very traumatic, under ANY
circumstances.

For the most normal person, such an experience prompts the body and
mind to resist, helplessly ~ stupidly, too, as they are ALWAYS
stronger than you.

If it happened a few more times, you learn to relax.

That is a learned skill, however, over-riding the body's most basic
instinct to protect itself.

ANYONE who is cuffed and taken down should be treated and handled as
though fragile; if an individual is panicked beyond his/her normal
state, even moreso.

Let us not forget Hal Coyote,
A canine hound,
Who trotted elegantly into town
Merely to see Shakespeare in the round,
En Central Park, La Grande Pomme,
2006."
~ Twittering

"Heck, yeah."
~ Folly