From: The One True Zhen Jue on
On Oct 5, 8:13 am, Mark Probert <markprob...(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote:
> Twittering One wrote:
> > The New York Times
> > October 4, 2007
>
> > Motherly Act Began Events That Led to Gotbaum Death
> > By JOHN SULLIVAN
>
> > Carol A. Gotbaum was supposed to fly directly to Tucson last Friday to
> > enter an alcohol rehabilitation program, but she delayed her departure
> > to see her children off to school, her family said. The delay and the
> > resulting nondirect flight were part of a series of circumstances that
> > led to Ms. Gotbaum's confrontation with the police at the Phoenix
> > airport, and to her subsequent death in police custody.
>
> > The events surrounding her arrest are now under investigation, and the
> > Phoenix Police Department said yesterday that it had a videotape of
> > the arrest itself. But according to her family members and their
> > lawyer, if the day had gone as planned, Ms. Gotbaum would not have
> > been there at all.
>
> > Ms. Gotbaum, 45, the stepdaughter-in-law of New York City's public
> > advocate, Betsy Gotbaum, was originally scheduled to fly directly to
> > Tucson for an alcohol rehabilitation program. But Ms. Gotbaum, who
> > lived on the Upper West Side, delayed her flight because she wanted to
> > say goodbye to her three children, two of whom were attending a new
> > grammar school.
>
> > The change meant a connection through the busy Phoenix Sky Harbor
> > International Airport. Her husband, Noah, was apparently comfortable
> > letting her fly alone because she was to meet a couple she knew at a
> > stopover in Phoenix, the family said.
>
> > But Ms. Gotbaum arrived too late to make the connecting flight to
> > Tucson, the family's lawyer, Michael C. Manning, said.
>
> > According to a spokesman for Mesa Airlines, which operates the flight
> > Ms. Gotbaum was to take, she arrived at the gate after boarding was
> > completed. The passageway to the airliner was closed, and the plane
> > was about to take off, said Paul Skellon, a spokesman for Mesa.
>
> > According to the Phoenix police, Ms. Gotbaum began arguing with the
> > ticket agents, insisting that she be allowed to board the plane. The
> > police were called, and officers saw Ms. Gotbaum "yelling and
> > screaming" and running through the concourse, said Sgt. Andy Hill of
> > the Phoenix police.
>
> > Sergeant Hill said that the officers tried unsuccessfully to calm Ms.
> > Gotbaum, finally handcuffing her and arresting her on charges of
> > disorderly conduct. But that account is now disputed by Mr. Manning.
>
> > Mr. Manning said yesterday that his office had interviewed three
> > witnesses to the confrontation.
>
> > "The police approached her, according to witnesses, made no effort to
> > speak to her, calm her or assess the situation," he said. "Two of them
> > immediately took her to the ground."
>
> > Mr. Manning said witnesses recounted that Ms. Gotbaum was not
> > threatening anyone, and instead was yelling, "I am not a terrorist, I
> > am not a criminal, I am just a sick mother, I need to get help."
>
> > Sergeant Hill said tersely yesterday that the account of Mr. Manning's
> > witnesses was "not true."
>
> > "The officers did try to calm her down," he said, adding that the
> > arrest followed police procedure. "When we release the video, everyone
> > will see." He did not say when the video would be released.
>
> > Ms. Gotbaum was placed in a police holding cell at the airport; her
> > hands were cuffed behind her, with a metal chain about two feet long
> > attaching the handcuffs to a bench, Sergeant Hill said. She continued
> > yelling in the cell, he said, and was left alone for 5 to 10 minutes.
> > After she stopped shouting, the officers looked in the cell, he said,
> > and found Ms. Gotbaum unconscious with the chain stretched across her
> > neck. Attempts by the police and medical workers to revive her were
> > unsuccessful.
>
> > Mr. Manning also criticized the officers' actions in the holding cell,
> > saying they should have obtained a medical evaluation for Ms. Gotbaum
> > and should not have left her alone.
>
> > "You don't leave an emotionally disturbed citizen shackled with that
> > kind of potential weapon or device they could use to hurt themselves,"
> > he said.
>
> > The cause of death is under investigation, and an autopsy was
> > performed on Tuesday evening by the Maricopa County medical examiner.
> > David Boyer, a spokesman for the medical examiner, said the results of
> > the autopsy would not be released until laboratory results were
> > completed in a few weeks.
>
> > A pathologist hired by the Gotbaum family, Dr. Cyril H. Wecht, was
> > allowed to perform a separate examination, Mr. Manning said. He said
> > yesterday that Dr. Wecht would wait for lab results before announcing
> > his conclusion. But he added that a private investigator who also
> > attended the exam said Ms. Gotbaum exhibited signs of "very serious
> > trauma," including bruises and a mark on her neck from the metal
> > chain.
>
> > Eric Konigsberg contributed reporting.
>
> >http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/04/nyregion/04gotbaum.html?ref=nyregion
>
> Why was she traveling alone? This family surely could have afforded a
> companion.- Hide quoted text -

Not a bad question...
It really is a shame. With a slight change of circumstances, this
woman would be in a treatment center. Its a senseless loss of life,
regardless of fault, liability, or blame.

Currently, the investigation is incomplete. How long do you think it
will be before some whack-job tries to blame it on the Pharmaceutical
Industry in particular or conventional medicine in general?

>
> - Show quoted text -


From: Raving on
On Oct 5, 11:04 am, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...(a)yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On Oct 5, 8:13 am, Mark Probert <markprob...(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Twittering One wrote:
> > > The New York Times
> > > October 4, 2007
>
> > > Motherly Act Began Events That Led to Gotbaum Death
> > > By JOHN SULLIVAN
>
> > > Carol A. Gotbaum was supposed to fly directly to Tucson last Friday to
> > > enter an alcohol rehabilitation program, but she delayed her departure
> > > to see her children off to school, her family said. The delay and the
> > > resulting nondirect flight were part of a series of circumstances that
> > > led to Ms. Gotbaum's confrontation with the police at the Phoenix
> > > airport, and to her subsequent death in police custody.
>
> > > The events surrounding her arrest are now under investigation, and the
> > > Phoenix Police Department said yesterday that it had a videotape of
> > > the arrest itself. But according to her family members and their
> > > lawyer, if the day had gone as planned, Ms. Gotbaum would not have
> > > been there at all.
>
> > > Ms. Gotbaum, 45, the stepdaughter-in-law of New York City's public
> > > advocate, Betsy Gotbaum, was originally scheduled to fly directly to
> > > Tucson for an alcohol rehabilitation program. But Ms. Gotbaum, who
> > > lived on the Upper West Side, delayed her flight because she wanted to
> > > say goodbye to her three children, two of whom were attending a new
> > > grammar school.
>
> > > The change meant a connection through the busy Phoenix Sky Harbor
> > > International Airport. Her husband, Noah, was apparently comfortable
> > > letting her fly alone because she was to meet a couple she knew at a
> > > stopover in Phoenix, the family said.
>
> > > But Ms. Gotbaum arrived too late to make the connecting flight to
> > > Tucson, the family's lawyer, Michael C. Manning, said.
>
> > > According to a spokesman for Mesa Airlines, which operates the flight
> > > Ms. Gotbaum was to take, she arrived at the gate after boarding was
> > > completed. The passageway to the airliner was closed, and the plane
> > > was about to take off, said Paul Skellon, a spokesman for Mesa.
>
> > > According to the Phoenix police, Ms. Gotbaum began arguing with the
> > > ticket agents, insisting that she be allowed to board the plane. The
> > > police were called, and officers saw Ms. Gotbaum "yelling and
> > > screaming" and running through the concourse, said Sgt. Andy Hill of
> > > the Phoenix police.
>
> > > Sergeant Hill said that the officers tried unsuccessfully to calm Ms.
> > > Gotbaum, finally handcuffing her and arresting her on charges of
> > > disorderly conduct. But that account is now disputed by Mr. Manning.
>
> > > Mr. Manning said yesterday that his office had interviewed three
> > > witnesses to the confrontation.
>
> > > "The police approached her, according to witnesses, made no effort to
> > > speak to her, calm her or assess the situation," he said. "Two of them
> > > immediately took her to the ground."
>
> > > Mr. Manning said witnesses recounted that Ms. Gotbaum was not
> > > threatening anyone, and instead was yelling, "I am not a terrorist, I
> > > am not a criminal, I am just a sick mother, I need to get help."
>
> > > Sergeant Hill said tersely yesterday that the account of Mr. Manning's
> > > witnesses was "not true."
>
> > > "The officers did try to calm her down," he said, adding that the
> > > arrest followed police procedure. "When we release the video, everyone
> > > will see." He did not say when the video would be released.
>
> > > Ms. Gotbaum was placed in a police holding cell at the airport; her
> > > hands were cuffed behind her, with a metal chain about two feet long
> > > attaching the handcuffs to a bench, Sergeant Hill said. She continued
> > > yelling in the cell, he said, and was left alone for 5 to 10 minutes.
> > > After she stopped shouting, the officers looked in the cell, he said,
> > > and found Ms. Gotbaum unconscious with the chain stretched across her
> > > neck. Attempts by the police and medical workers to revive her were
> > > unsuccessful.
>
> > > Mr. Manning also criticized the officers' actions in the holding cell,
> > > saying they should have obtained a medical evaluation for Ms. Gotbaum
> > > and should not have left her alone.
>
> > > "You don't leave an emotionally disturbed citizen shackled with that
> > > kind of potential weapon or device they could use to hurt themselves,"
> > > he said.
>
> > > The cause of death is under investigation, and an autopsy was
> > > performed on Tuesday evening by the Maricopa County medical examiner.
> > > David Boyer, a spokesman for the medical examiner, said the results of
> > > the autopsy would not be released until laboratory results were
> > > completed in a few weeks.
>
> > > A pathologist hired by the Gotbaum family, Dr. Cyril H. Wecht, was
> > > allowed to perform a separate examination, Mr. Manning said. He said
> > > yesterday that Dr. Wecht would wait for lab results before announcing
> > > his conclusion. But he added that a private investigator who also
> > > attended the exam said Ms. Gotbaum exhibited signs of "very serious
> > > trauma," including bruises and a mark on her neck from the metal
> > > chain.
>
> > > Eric Konigsberg contributed reporting.
>
> > >http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/04/nyregion/04gotbaum.html?ref=nyregion
>
> > Why was she traveling alone? This family surely could have afforded a
> > companion.- Hide quoted text -
>
> Not a bad question...
> It really is a shame. With a slight change of circumstances, this
> woman would be in a treatment center. Its a senseless loss of life,
> regardless of fault, liability, or blame.
>
> Currently, the investigation is incomplete. How long do you think it
> will be before some whack-job tries to blame it on the Pharmaceutical
> Industry in particular or conventional medicine in general?
Maybe after 'Koochers Kooks' get fingered for it explicitly, IMO.

From: Linda on
On Sep 29, 8:21 am, Twittering One <mournenwo...(a)aol.com> wrote:
> When will there be news of hopspiatls such as Bellevue Hospital, in
> NYC, being held accountable for similar physical brutality?
>
> Moreover, 3 weeks ago, I reported to a NYCPD officer by the East River
> that I was approached by 2 men who offered me money to touch me.
>
> The NYCPD officer I reported this offence to did not want to record
> the incident, was not interested in my name, and never asked me to
> sign an "incident report," even when I insisted he take my name and
> contact information.
>
> WHAT IS GOING ON HERE, or is it just me?


It isn't just you.

The same thing is taking place all over the USA since Bush
criminalized 961 local, state and federal Law Enforcement Agencies
under FALCON so most Law Enforcement agents in the US now report
directly to the US Marshalls office therefore George W. Bush.


From: Raving on
On Oct 5, 4:26 pm, Linda <Indomitab...(a)netzero.com> wrote:
> On Sep 29, 8:21 am, Twittering One <mournenwo...(a)aol.com> wrote:
>
> > When will there be news of hopspiatls such as Bellevue Hospital, in
> > NYC, being held accountable for similar physical brutality?
>
> > Moreover, 3 weeks ago, I reported to a NYCPD officer by the East River
> > that I was approached by 2 men who offered me money to touch me.
>
> > The NYCPD officer I reported this offence to did not want to record
> > the incident, was not interested in my name, and never asked me to
> > sign an "incident report," even when I insisted he take my name and
> > contact information.
>
> > WHAT IS GOING ON HERE, or is it just me?
>
> It isn't just you.
>
> The same thing is taking place all over the USA since Bush
> criminalized 961 local, state and federal Law Enforcement Agencies
> under FALCON so most Law Enforcement agents in the US now report
> directly to the US Marshalls office therefore George W. Bush.

You got one more star than me. :-P

From: Linda on
On Oct 5, 3:25 pm, Raving <raving.loo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 5, 4:26 pm, Linda <Indomitab...(a)netzero.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 29, 8:21 am, Twittering One <mournenwo...(a)aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > When will there be news of hopspiatls such as Bellevue Hospital, in
> > > NYC, being held accountable for similar physical brutality?
>
> > > Moreover, 3 weeks ago, I reported to a NYCPD officer by the East River
> > > that I was approached by 2 men who offered me money to touch me.
>
> > > The NYCPD officer I reported this offence to did not want to record
> > > the incident, was not interested in my name, and never asked me to
> > > sign an "incident report," even when I insisted he take my name and
> > > contact information.
>
> > > WHAT IS GOING ON HERE, or is it just me?
>
> > It isn't just you.
>
> > The same thing is taking place all over the USA since Bush
> > criminalized 961 local, state and federal Law Enforcement Agencies
> > under FALCON so most Law Enforcement agents in the US now report
> > directly to the US Marshalls office therefore George W. Bush.
>
> You got one more star than me. :-P-

usenets lying stalking filth believe there exists no need for them to
be good, valued and/or respectable people, only a need to "say"
they are good, valuable and respectable people.

Hence, usenets killers, child molesters, child kidnappers,
attorneys disbarred for fraud, expelled U students, banned TSA
members, APA resigners etc. always give themself and other
criminally insane liars 5 stars, whilst giving all the good,
valuable, respectible, and credible posters only one or two star.

Being criminals their ethos is one and the same as the ethos of the
ghetto....where bad = good and good = bad.

As a result, whoever posts the best posts---gets the least stars.

If you have the least stars---that's a good thing.

If usenets criminals ever begin consistently giving you 5 stars, it
just means they succeeded in brainwashing you so you begun repeating
their LIES as if gospel truth; therefore, it's time for you to talk
to someone who will help you sort your head out---unless, of course,
you are a wolf in sheeps clothing, and, being a lying sociopathic
criminal is your BAG.