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From: Jure Sah on 15 Dec 2005 18:58
Hello,

I have a friend (15), who asked me to look into this for him...

He menitioned that durring his sleep, he will sometimes wake up, the
muscles of his body shaking in a vibrating manner as well as times
durring the day when things start to look somewhat dreamlike for no
apparent reason.

Worried about it, I first told him to talk to a doctor about it, which
he did, they did some generic perliminary tests and found nothing wrong,
so that didn't continue there then. However he still says he experiences
the same problems relatively often.

Normally I wouldn't look for answers for this in sleep disorders,
however I got this article [
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis ] and while describing
something that is not very evident in this case, there are some common
points, so I thought I'd give it a try.

Does anyone in this group recgotnize those symptoms and/or has any idea
what could be the cause to them? What should we be doing about it? Is it
dangerous or will it pass away in time?

Now of course I'd like to think the whole thing is just a side-effect of
puberty or normal for teenagers or something, but I'd really rather be
on the safe side. I'd also like to have something to say to the kid
about it so he doesn't have to worry.

Help?

Thanks for anything there!


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From: farmgirl on 16 Dec 2005 02:49
Greetings:

Do the episodes wake him up and then continue after he is awake. Can
he see or hear if they continue in a concious/semi-concious awakened
state? Does he remember them in the morning? How often does he have
them? Does he have any 'triggers' that he is aware of? Lots of
questions I know but I may have a suggestion.

farmgirl

From: Jure Sah on 16 Dec 2005 18:25
Thanks for the answer, I will answer from what he told me...

farmgirl wrote:
> Do the episodes wake him up and then continue after he is awake. Can
> he see or hear if they continue in a concious/semi-concious awakened
> state?

Yes, it's short periods. They happen durring sleep and wake him up and
then as he says they continue until he places himself in such a position
that all the muscles are stretched and cannot vibrate.

> Does he remember them in the morning?

Yes, apparently he remembers them clearly.

> How often does he have them?

I'd have to ask, but as I understood this it was at least a couple times
a week, if not daily.

> Does he have any 'triggers' that he is aware of?

He mentioned that the vibrating session typically follows a dream, so
dreaming may be a trigger. I think if it were anything more specific, he
would have mentioned it.

> Lots of questions I know but I may have a suggestion.

Please, anything would be great!

Thanks!

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and without hope, no apparently
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From: farmgirl on 16 Dec 2005 19:15
Greetings again:

I would suggest that he be seen by a neurologist and see if he can
arrange to have a sleep study done as well. I would be taking a
serious look a PHD or paroxsysmal hypnogenic dyskinesia. Look on the
WE MOVE website. It is not a sleep disorder but rather a very rare
movement disorder but he needs to rule out epileptic activity. He
could pose a danger to himself falling asleep in situations where he is
not in his comefy bed such as on planes, trains, buses, beaches or on
the table in a massage or physio clinic to name a few. I believe I
suffer from this condition although that has not been conclusively
confirmed. Please keep in touch I will continue to check this thread
about weekly so if you don't get a reply keep looking. You can also
contact me by private email should you wish.

Good luck.

From: Jure Sah on 17 Dec 2005 21:33
Hello,

Mind me while I'm a little skeptical at this immediate conclusion.

Now, I'm willing to understand it is something neurological, but I'm
puzzled as to where the connection to something akin to necrolepsy is
from. I don't remember myself saying he had a tendency to fall asleep
invoulantarily. "Sleep" is not what I meant with "dreamlike state".

Anyhow, at this point, as much as I'd like to see it happen, I don't
quite see how I could get him to a neurologist directly. I guess I will
have to look into this unique medical system of ours.

Thanks anyway.

farmgirl wrote:
> Greetings again:
>
> I would suggest that he be seen by a neurologist and see if he can
> arrange to have a sleep study done as well. I would be taking a
> serious look a PHD or paroxsysmal hypnogenic dyskinesia. Look on the
> WE MOVE website. It is not a sleep disorder but rather a very rare
> movement disorder but he needs to rule out epileptic activity. He
> could pose a danger to himself falling asleep in situations where he is
> not in his comefy bed such as on planes, trains, buses, beaches or on
> the table in a massage or physio clinic to name a few. I believe I
> suffer from this condition although that has not been conclusively
> confirmed. Please keep in touch I will continue to check this thread
> about weekly so if you don't get a reply keep looking. You can also
> contact me by private email should you wish.
>
> Good luck.

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