Obesity risks higher than thought
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From: Rod Speed on 25 Aug 2008 17:22 Dee Flint <deeflint01(a)comcast.net> wrote > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa(a)gmail.com> wrote >> Dee Flint <deeflint01(a)comcast.net> wrote >>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa(a)gmail.com> wrote >>>> Dee Flint <deeflint01(a)comcast.net> wrote >>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa(a)gmail.com> wrote >>>>>> Robin King <mapletree(a)worldnet.att.net> wrote >>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa(a)gmail.com> wrote >>>>>>>> Dee Flint <deeflint01(a)comcast.net> wrote >>>>>>>>>> Robin King <mapletree(a)worldnet.att.net> wrote >>>>>>>>>>> What's the rate of regain? >>>>>>>>>> Zero. >>>>>>>>> That is incorrect. >>>>>>>> Nope, the whole point of that approach is that they cant eat too much because their stomach has been crippled >>>>>>>> so they cant. >>>>>>>>> People do regain sometimes if they don't correct their eating habits. >>>>>>>> Wrong. the whole point of that approach is that they cant eat too much because their stomach has been crippled >>>>>>>> so they cant. >>>>>>>>> Some eventually learn to and adapt to eating >>>>>>>>> too much even with a reduced stomach capacity. >>>>>>>> Not even possible. >>>>>>>> The main problem with that approach is that the malnutrition can kill you. But then so can continuing to be grossly obese too. >>>>>>> About 70% if patients regain half the weight they lost with WLS. >>>>>> Then they clearly did get a significant reduction in their weight. >>>>>>> Also, weight loss surgery is considered a success if the >>>>>>> patient keeps off 10% or more of her starting weight. >>>>>>> Rather modest expectations, don't you think? >>>>>> Irrelevant to that previous data you quoted. >>>>>>> - and a far cry from zero. >>>>>> I didnt say it was zero from the lowest, just that its zero from the weight before the surgery. >>>>> It is not a successful result if they cannot maintain a healthy weight. >>>> Depends on how you define success. Even just a significant weight reduction in >>>> those that are too stupid to be able to get that any other way is useful progress. >>>>> That their weight is less than before isn't a very good measure of success. >>>> Wrong. >>> That is opinion. >> Nope, thats a fact, there has been a significant reduction in their weight prior to the surgery. >> I didnt even use the word success. >>> Yours seems to be that any loss is a success no matter how small >> I didnt say anything even remotely resembling anything like that either. >> The numbers YOU quoted are nothing like a small loss. >>> and no matter whether they can maintain it. >> The numbers YOU quoted show that 70% did maintain a weight loss from pre surgery. > I didn't quote any percentages. You are mixing up my post with another. Correct. >>> Mine is that success is reaching and maintaining a healthy weight. >> Irrelevant to whether WLS does achieve a significant weight loss with those too stupid to lose weight any other way. >>> Given the risks of complications, the standard of success needs to be high to make it worth the risks. >> Nope, not with those who are too stupid to lose weight without it. >>> We are each entitled to our own opinions as to what constitutes success. >> I didnt even mention success, YOU did. > Why bother to do something like this unless there is a standard of success? What matters is whether there is a significant loss of weight. We know that if the grossly obese dont reduce their weight significantly, that that has significant medical downsides. So if particular grossly obese individuals are too stupid to stop shovelling more calories into their mouths than they burn, its worth considering surgery. > Whether it should be a high standard or low standard is a > matter of personal opinion but there does need to be a standard. Nope. > The risks are too high to undertake if there is no goal of success. Wrong. Because the risks of continuing to be grossly obese are even higher.
From: Rod Speed on 26 Aug 2008 14:28 Some gutless fuckwit hippo desperately cowering behind Ragnar <Ragnarsghost(a)hotmail.com> desperately attempted to bullshit and lie its way out of its predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.
From: DB on 26 Aug 2008 14:52 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:6hj0ahFm7ts4U1(a)mid.individual.net... > Some gutless fuckwit hippo desperately cowering behind > Ragnar <Ragnarsghost(a)hotmail.com> desperately attempted to bullshit and > lie its way out of its predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as > always. Put down the purses girls and lets get on with the topic at hand!
From: Dee Flint on 26 Aug 2008 16:14
"DB" <DeeBee(a)netscape.net> wrote in message news:WhYsk.20826$uE5.18092(a)flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com... > > "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:6hj0ahFm7ts4U1(a)mid.individual.net... >> Some gutless fuckwit hippo desperately cowering behind >> Ragnar <Ragnarsghost(a)hotmail.com> desperately attempted to bullshit and >> lie its way out of its predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, >> as always. > > > Put down the purses girls and lets get on with the topic at hand! Actually it looks more like a bunch of men trying to out macho each other. |