Obesity risks higher than thought
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From: Rod Speed on 25 Aug 2008 14:14 John A. Weeks III <john(a)johnweeks.com> wrote: > In article <6hevp6Fkq6bnU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> John A. Weeks III <john(a)johnweeks.com> wrote: >>> In article >>> <3wnsk.13874$Mh5.10212(a)bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "Robin >>> King" <mapletree(a)worldnet.att.net> wrote: >>> >>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:6hdnd9Fl19v0U1(a)mid.individual.net... >>>>> Dee Flint <deeflint01(a)comcast.net> wrote: >>>>>>> Robin King <mapletree(a)worldnet.att.net> wrote >>>> >>>>>>>> What's the rate of regain? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Zero. >>>>> >>>>>> That is incorrect. >>>>> >>>>> Nope, the whole point of that approach is that they cant eat >>>>> too much because their stomach has been crippled so they cant. >>>>> >>>>>> People do regain sometimes if they don't correct their eating >>>>>> habits. >>>>> >>>>> Wrong. the whole point of that approach is that they cant eat >>>>> too much because their stomach has been crippled so they cant. >>>>> >>>>>> Some eventually learn to and adapt to eating >>>>>> too much even with a reduced stomach capacity. >>>>> >>>>> Not even possible. >>>>> >>>>> The main problem with that approach is that the malnutrition can >>>>> kill you. >>>> >>>> About 70% if patients regain half the weight they lost with WLS. >>>> Also, weight loss surgery is considered a success if the patient >>>> keeps off 10% or more of her starting weight. Rather modest >>>> expectations, don't you think? - and a far cry from zero. >>> >>> Another statistic to add is that 25% of WLS patients reported >>> various kinds of mental impairments following the surgery. This >>> including being foggy to having serious problems with memory and >>> reasoning. Some reported that it cleared up over time, others >>> reported the problem as being permanent. >> Thats not a statistic produced by any operation that knows anything about rigorous science. > It was produced by the CDC and published on > the website of the MN state dept of Health. Bet you cant produce a cite for that. Google turns up nothing like that. > Note that this was a survey, not a study. That is why the word "reported" is key. Bet the fools are confusing the effects of not enough food with the effects of the surgery. And why was a 'survey' used instead of a study when memory and reasoning are so easy to measure ?
From: Dee Flint on 25 Aug 2008 14:56 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:6hdnd9Fl19v0U1(a)mid.individual.net... > Dee Flint <deeflint01(a)comcast.net> wrote: >> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:6h92kdFk2s9lU1(a)mid.individual.net... >>> Robin King <mapletree(a)worldnet.att.net> wrote >>>> Caleb <calebb(a)teleport.com> wrote >>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....(a)gmail.com> wrote >>> >> Some eventually learn to and adapt to eating >> too much even with a reduced stomach capacity. > > Not even possible. > > The main problem with that approach is that the malnutrition can kill you. > Search the internet, you will find that there are some who do regain weight. Of course the malnutrition is a serious issue too but it is not impossible to regain weight.
From: Dee Flint on 25 Aug 2008 14:59 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:6heevbFl12v6U1(a)mid.individual.net... > Robin King <mapletree(a)worldnet.att.net> wrote: >> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:6hdnd9Fl19v0U1(a)mid.individual.net... >>> Dee Flint <deeflint01(a)comcast.net> wrote: >>>>> Robin King <mapletree(a)worldnet.att.net> wrote >> >>>>>> What's the rate of regain? >>>>> >>>>> Zero. >>> >>>> That is incorrect. >>> >>> Nope, the whole point of that approach is that they cant eat >>> too much because their stomach has been crippled so they cant. >>> >>>> People do regain sometimes if they don't correct their eating >>>> habits. >>> >>> Wrong. the whole point of that approach is that they cant eat >>> too much because their stomach has been crippled so they cant. >>> >>>> Some eventually learn to and adapt to eating >>>> too much even with a reduced stomach capacity. >>> >>> Not even possible. >>> >>> The main problem with that approach is that the malnutrition can >>> kill you. > >> About 70% if patients regain half the weight they lost with WLS. > > Then they clearly did get a significant reduction in their weight. > >> Also, weight loss surgery is considered a success if the >> patient keeps off 10% or more of her starting weight. >> Rather modest expectations, don't you think? > > Irrelevant to that previous data you quoted. > >> - and a far cry from zero. > > I didnt say it was zero from the lowest, just that its zero from the > weight before the surgery. > > It is not a successful result if they cannot maintain a healthy weight. That their weight is less than before isn't a very good measure of success.
From: Rod Speed on 25 Aug 2008 15:18 Dee Flint <deeflint01(a)comcast.net> wrote: > "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:6heevbFl12v6U1(a)mid.individual.net... >> Robin King <mapletree(a)worldnet.att.net> wrote: >>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:6hdnd9Fl19v0U1(a)mid.individual.net... >>>> Dee Flint <deeflint01(a)comcast.net> wrote: >>>>>> Robin King <mapletree(a)worldnet.att.net> wrote >>> >>>>>>> What's the rate of regain? >>>>>> >>>>>> Zero. >>>> >>>>> That is incorrect. >>>> >>>> Nope, the whole point of that approach is that they cant eat >>>> too much because their stomach has been crippled so they cant. >>>> >>>>> People do regain sometimes if they don't correct their eating >>>>> habits. >>>> >>>> Wrong. the whole point of that approach is that they cant eat >>>> too much because their stomach has been crippled so they cant. >>>> >>>>> Some eventually learn to and adapt to eating >>>>> too much even with a reduced stomach capacity. >>>> >>>> Not even possible. >>>> >>>> The main problem with that approach is that the malnutrition can >>>> kill you. >> >>> About 70% if patients regain half the weight they lost with WLS. >> >> Then they clearly did get a significant reduction in their weight. >> >>> Also, weight loss surgery is considered a success if the >>> patient keeps off 10% or more of her starting weight. >>> Rather modest expectations, don't you think? >> >> Irrelevant to that previous data you quoted. >> >>> - and a far cry from zero. >> >> I didnt say it was zero from the lowest, just that its zero from the >> weight before the surgery. > It is not a successful result if they cannot maintain a healthy weight. Depends on how you define success. Even just a significant weight reduction in those that are too stupid to be able to get that any other way is useful progress. > That their weight is less than before isn't a very good measure of success. Wrong.
From: Rod Speed on 25 Aug 2008 15:20
Dee Flint <deeflint01(a)comcast.net> wrote > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa(a)gmail.com> wrote >> Dee Flint <deeflint01(a)comcast.net> wrote >>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa(a)gmail.com> wrote >>>> Robin King <mapletree(a)worldnet.att.net> wrote >>>>> Caleb <calebb(a)teleport.com> wrote >>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....(a)gmail.com> wrote >>> Some eventually learn to and adapt to eating >>> too much even with a reduced stomach capacity. >> Not even possible. >> The main problem with that approach is that the malnutrition can kill you. > Search the internet, you will find that there are some who do regain weight. What matters is whether they regain the pre surgery weight. They dont unless the surgery has been botched. > Of course the malnutrition is a serious issue too but it is not impossible to regain weight. What matters is whether they regain the pre surgery weight. They dont unless the surgery has been botched. |