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From: Robin King on 22 Aug 2008 17:35 "Always Learning" <noPublicEmail(a)this.time> wrote in message news:t67ua49h84tpfavds0u78ldouh13ot3crf(a)zzz.com... > On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 06:50:41 -0700 (PDT), Ragnar > <Ragnarsghost(a)hotmail.com> wrote this stuff here : > > >Even though > >it is an Australian study, think 400,000 deaths yearly from the CDC. > >It's just propaganda as usual. > > Yes the CDC is a propaganda machine and has been for years. > Many people fall for those CDC statistics like the one that says > smoking causes lung cancer. I've smoked 3.5 packs per day for more > than 22 years and have never even as much as coughed before. What has one got to do with the other? That's your trouble - it's the Always - you believe that either the CDC does everything right or everything wrong. You should read about Katherine Flegal's debunking of this grossly inflated statistic from the CDC. There's a fascinating synopsis of it in _Rethinking Thin_, by Gina Kolata. Robin
From: John A. Weeks III on 22 Aug 2008 18:15 In article <g8mtk90152k(a)news5.newsguy.com>, Pramesh Rutaji <p297tongue6221(a)newsguy.com> wrote: > Weight is an issue because the diet is probably full of modern processed > foods and eating options introduced at and since the advent of > agriculture along with chemical exposure from multiple sources including > air quality. Lack of regular vigorous exercise (running and prey, etc.) > and food constantly available (never any fasting) I think plays a large > role in the disease and aging process. Yeah, just look at what exercise did for Isaac Hays. Killed him before he had a chance to turn off the treadmill. And maybe eat some natural foods, like Herb-a-life founder Mark Hughes, who died at age 44. Might want to start running, too, so you can be like running guru Jim Fixx, who died at age 52 of a massive heart attack. If there was a quick fix for the weight problem, the problem would go away quickly. All that we have proven so far is that diet does not help the problem. Millions of people have spent millions of accumulated years on diets, and the result is that nearly all end up gaining weight within a year of the diet. > And, I haven't looked at it recently but anyone have any good URLs that > graph the estimated percentage oxygen content in the atmosphere over the > past million years or so? I hope you are not one of those crazy MLM'ers who are selling oxygen drinks claiming to cure all ills because the earth is running out of oxygen in the air. I had thought I had heard it all until I ran into that group. -john- -- ====================================================================== John A. Weeks III � � � � � 612-720-2854 � � � � � �john(a)johnweeks.com Newave Communications � � � � � � � � � � � � http://www.johnweeks.com ======================================================================
From: Rod Speed on 22 Aug 2008 19:58 John A. Weeks III <john(a)johnweeks.com> wrote: > In article <g8mtk90152k(a)news5.newsguy.com>, > Pramesh Rutaji <p297tongue6221(a)newsguy.com> wrote: > >> Weight is an issue because the diet is probably full of modern >> processed foods and eating options introduced at and since the >> advent of agriculture along with chemical exposure from multiple >> sources including air quality. Lack of regular vigorous exercise >> (running and prey, etc.) and food constantly available (never any >> fasting) I think plays a large role in the disease and aging process. > > Yeah, just look at what exercise did for Isaac Hays. Killed him > before he had a chance to turn off the treadmill. And maybe eat > some natural foods, like Herb-a-life founder Mark Hughes, who died > at age 44. Might want to start running, too, so you can be like > running guru Jim Fixx, who died at age 52 of a massive heart attack. > If there was a quick fix for the weight problem, There always has been. Dont put anymore into your mouth than you burn. > the problem would go away quickly. Nope, but it does go away at the same speed that the problem developed. > All that we have proven so far is that diet does not help the problem. Havent proven anything of the sort. You dont get any fat people coming out of concentration camps except the guards. There might just be a reason for that. > Millions of people have spent millions of accumulated years on diets, and > the result is that nearly all end up gaining weight within a year of the diet. Because they are too stupid to shovel less into their mouths than they burn. >> And, I haven't looked at it recently but anyone have any good URLs >> that graph the estimated percentage oxygen content in the atmosphere >> over the past million years or so? > > I hope you are not one of those crazy MLM'ers who are selling > oxygen drinks claiming to cure all ills because the earth is > running out of oxygen in the air. I had thought I had heard > it all until I ran into that group. > > -john-
From: Rod Speed on 22 Aug 2008 20:06 Robin King <mapletree(a)worldnet.att.net> wrote > Caleb <calebb(a)teleport.com> wrote >> Rod Speed <rod.speed....(a)gmail.com> wrote >>> And have fun explaining how their weight problem goes away >>> with the most aggressive weight control like lap banding etc. > Does it really? Yep. > Do they get healthier from the removal of a non-diseased organ? There is no removal of anything except stomach capacity. > What's the rate of regain? Zero. > It must be high, if many go in for a second surgery. Wrong again. Some do get a botched job redone. > You don't hear a lot about the downside of the surgery, Thats because you dont listen/read in the right places. > (somebody's making a lot of $$$ off it), but it's most definitely there. Corse it is, just like with most surgery. >> There's a Reuter's report of July 2008 which noted that the average >> calorie intake for Americans is 3,770 calories a day. Aside from >> whatever health problems people may have, a huge surplus in calories >> explains almost all (if not all) of the increase in obesity over the >> last few decades. > I am genuinely curious as to how this study was conducted. Usual way, you calculate the calories they shovel into their mouths. > Everybody seems to have an explanation for the so-called obesity epidemic > of which they're dead certain, and meanwhile nobody really knows. Anyone with a clue knows that its shoveling more calories into your mouth than you burn over time. > As The Master said in another post, you can't tell what obesity causes > until you eliminate confounding factors like shoddy medical treatment. Different matter entirely to the cause of obesity. > You folks out there, fat and thin, should be fighting for better medical treatment, Makes a hell of a lot more sense to not shovel more food into your mouth than you burn. > since this would save us all some health care bux. Wouldnt save me a cent.
From: Pramesh Rutaji on 23 Aug 2008 10:23
John A. Weeks III wrote: > In article <g8mtk90152k(a)news5.newsguy.com>, > Pramesh Rutaji <p297tongue6221(a)newsguy.com> wrote: > >> Weight is an issue because the diet is probably full of modern processed >> foods and eating options introduced at and since the advent of >> agriculture along with chemical exposure from multiple sources including >> air quality. Lack of regular vigorous exercise (running and prey, etc.) >> and food constantly available (never any fasting) I think plays a large >> role in the disease and aging process. > > Yeah, just look at what exercise did for Isaac Hays. Killed him > before he had a chance to turn off the treadmill. And maybe eat > some natural foods, like Herb-a-life founder Mark Hughes, who died > at age 44. Might want to start running, too, so you can be like > running guru Jim Fixx, who died at age 52 of a massive heart attack. If one avoided everything that claims to kill someone, somehow, somewhere, one might as well slit their wrist. If you think fitness is worse than couchpotatoness, then have had it. > If there was a quick fix for the weight problem, the problem would > go away quickly. All that we have proven so far is that diet does > not help the problem. Millions of people have spent millions of > accumulated years on diets, and the result is that nearly all end > up gaining weight within a year of the diet. I didn't say there was a 'quick fix'. Reread while your downing your processed carbs and watching TV reruns and claiming that lack of exercise and poor nutrition have nothing to do with obesity and in fact will kill you. >> And, I haven't looked at it recently but anyone have any good URLs that >> graph the estimated percentage oxygen content in the atmosphere over the >> past million years or so? > > I hope you are not one of those crazy MLM'ers who are selling > oxygen drinks claiming to cure all ills because the earth is > running out of oxygen in the air. I had thought I had heard > it all until I ran into that group. > > -john- I sell nothing. I found what I was looking for. There are "some" that claim that the oxygen content has changed dramatically in the recent past but it appears that science currently estimates that over the past several million years during the time period of man's most recently evolution, the oxygen content is relatively unchanged. So, I made no claim about oxygen content, only a query for a good graph. I found one. -- Pramesh Rutaji p297tongue6221(a)newsguy.com - remove tongue to reply |