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From: MacKenzie on 21 Aug 2008 23:03 http://www.smh.com.au/news/health/obesity-risks-higher-than-thought/2008/08 /21/1219262472405.html Obesity risks higher than thought Mark Metherell August 22, 2008 AUSTRALIANS with obesity are at significantly higher risk than previously thought of suffering illness, including diabetes, heart attack, stroke and osteoarthritis, a new study has found. The reassessment of obesity's impact in Australia found that 600,000 more patients are suffering these diseases because of obesity than was estimated in 2006. Gary Deed, the president of Diabetes Australia, said yesterday he was "alarmed" by the increase and said it highlighted the urgent need to implement the counter-measures planned by the Federal Government. The consulting firm Access Economics, which prepared the report for Diabetes Australia, adjusted its 2006 estimates of obesity's link to diseases on the basis of revised methods of estimation by the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare. As a result of the adjustments, Access estimates that 23.8 per cent of type 2 diabetes cases are caused by obesity, more than double the 2006 estimate of 10.8 per cent; obesity accounts for 21.8 per cent of cardiovascular diseases, up from about 13 per cent; and 24.5 per cent of osteoarthritis cases, up from 14 per cent. Dr Deed said he was reassured the Federal Government was responding with preventive campaigns but said there was a need for more urgency to promote children's activity and healthier food promotion. The report is to be launched at an obesity forum in Hobart today staged by the anti-obesity campaigner and Liberal Senator, Guy Barnett. The latest findings were "deeply disturbing", Senator Barnett said. "It highlights just how serious this issue is for people with these diseases." There have also been rises, albeit lower, in the proportion of certain types of cancer, including colorectal, breast, uterine and kidney cancers, about 20 per cent of which are attributed to obesity, up from about 15 per cent estimated in 2006. There is also good news on the cancer front, with a separate report being released today showing significant improvements in survival rates in Australia. The Australian Institute of Health and Welfare's figures show between the mid-1980s and the early 2000s, the relative chances of surviving five years after a cancer diagnosis have risen from 41 per cent to 58 per cent for men and from 53 per cent to 64 per cent for women. The biggest increases in survival were for those aged in their 50s and 60s. The best improvements were in prostate, kidney and breast cancers and non-Hodgkin lymphoma.
From: The Master on 22 Aug 2008 09:04 On Fri, 22 Aug 2008, MacKenzie wrote: > AUSTRALIANS with obesity are at significantly higher risk than previously > thought of suffering illness, including diabetes, heart attack, stroke and > osteoarthritis, a new study has found. That's because Doctors believe every problem a fat person has is due to their weight. So when we have a legitimate problem, it is ignored by medical professionals. Once it becomes obvious that there is a major problem, it is too late since the Doctor ignored the early warning signs.
From: The Master on 22 Aug 2008 10:36 On Fri, 22 Aug 2008, Caleb wrote: > From my perspective, the basic study makes sense. That obesity is a > cause of many (but not all) of the health problems facing overweight > populations. I couldn't disagree more. From my perspective, Doctor's insistance that obesity is the cause of most health problems causes them to ignore "early warning signs" of legitimate health concerns. Once it becomes obvious that weight is NOT the cause, it is too late. As such, fat people don't get the preventative treatments that their skinny counterparts got. This translates into a higher mortality rate for the obese, and medical professionals shout "see, it's because they were fat" rather then admit that the original doctor screwed up. Studies like this are nothing more then a smoke screen to justify the poor medical treatment obese people regularly get.
From: Caleb on 22 Aug 2008 11:49 On Aug 22, 7:36 am, The Master <tar...(a)nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote: > On Fri, 22 Aug 2008, Caleb wrote: > > From my perspective, the basic study makes sense. That obesity is a > > cause of many (but not all) of the health problems facing overweight > > populations. > > I couldn't disagree more. From my perspective, Doctor's insistance that > obesity is the cause of most health problems causes them to ignore "early > warning signs" of legitimate health concerns. Once it becomes obvious > that weight is NOT the cause, it is too late. > > As such, fat people don't get the preventative treatments that their > skinny counterparts got. This translates into a higher mortality rate for > the obese, and medical professionals shout "see, it's because they were > fat" rather then admit that the original doctor screwed up. > > Studies like this are nothing more then a smoke screen to justify the poor > medical treatment obese people regularly get. I think that my statement you quoted is correct: > ... That obesity is a > cause of many (but not all) of the health problems facing overweight > populations. It sure is a factor that has to be considered in looking at the overall health of a person, including risks of strokes, heart attacks, hypertension, etc. Seems to me you may be saying several things: 1. That some medical providers look at an obese person and attribute all of his or her health problems to obesity. (No additional medical tests are done, no additional diagnoses are attempted, etc.) I agree that this happens to some people, even as they have other underlying conditions. 2. You also appear to be saying that there is NO relationship between obesity and health problems and I think this is demonstrably false. Obesity is clearly implicated in many health problems, often not the only cause but a major contributor. Are you saying that obesity is NOT related to many health problems, that it would make no difference whatsoever if a person was morbidly obese, everything else being equal? That cancer risks would not be higher? etc. Yours, Caleb
From: The Master on 22 Aug 2008 12:28
On Fri, 22 Aug 2008, Caleb wrote: > 2. You also appear to be saying that there is NO relationship between > obesity and health problems and I think this is demonstrably false. I am saying that there are common problems between skinny and fat people, who both exhibit "early warning signs". However, while skinny people are taken seriously, fat people are brushed off as having to lose weight. This DOES happen, as any fat person who has gone to the doctor will tell you. As such, those common problems that affect both groups are left untreated in fat people. Once it becomes a serious problem, THEN AND ONLY THEN are they taken seriously, greatly increasing the chance of mortality. Statistics of the mortality rates of obese people are skewed due to the above fact of life. The deaths from non-weight related problems that are left untreated due to poor medical care are included, making it impossible to correctly calculate what affect just obesity has on mortality. In other words, there are at least two variables, not just one. > Obesity is clearly implicated in many health problems, often not the > only cause but a major contributor. That's the thing though. You can't tell how much of the problem really is just because of weight, and how much of it is caused by idiot doctors not taking fat people seriously until it's too late. > Are you saying that obesity is NOT related to many health problems, > that it would make no difference whatsoever if a person was morbidly > obese, everything else being equal? I'm saying I don't know, because everything else is NOT equal. Can you quantify the affect the different medical care has on the two groups? I can't... Imagine a study, where people who drink coke and don't smoke are tested against people who drink water and do smoke. After the study is finished, it is found that the smoking water drinkers have a higher risk of lung cancer. So, is the lung cancer caused by the smoke, or the water? We know it was the smoke, because we have other studies where smoke was the ONLY variable. However, in my above hypothetical study, there were two... I can just as easily say the cancer was caused by the water. |