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From: Ilif on 14 Jun 2008 01:37
My doctor recently put me on Diovan for my high blood pressure, but
that medication is really very expensive and not a drug my insurance
company will pay for; does anyone know of a cheaper high blood
pressure medicine that the insurance won't balk at that I might
suggest to him? Thanks.

Ilif
From: fran on 14 Jun 2008 09:53
On Jun 14, 1:37 am, Ilif <r...(a)quik.com> wrote:
> My doctor recently put me on Diovan for my high blood pressure, but
> that medication is really very expensive and not a drug my insurance
> company will pay for; does anyone know of a cheaper high blood
> pressure medicine that the insurance won't balk at that I might
> suggest to him? Thanks.
>
> Ilif

It's really not for us to recommend any particular drug. BUT what I
do recommend, as a nurse, is that you tell your doctor that
financially you are not able to afford the Diovan and ask what s/he
recommends. That's the safest. There are thousands of hypotensives
for the doctor to choose from and I'm sure that changing to a lesser
expensive medication will be no problem-fran
From: ironjustice on 14 Jun 2008 11:34
On Jun 13, 10:37 pm, Ilif <r...(a)quik.com> wrote:that medication is
really very expensive <<

http://tinyurl.com/ypatx8

Herbals & Supplements
Phosphatidylcholine
What is it?
Phosphatidylcholine is found in soy lecithin. It can be taken as
dietary lecithin or as a supplement for high cholesterol,
atherosclerosis (fat deposits on arteries), high blood pressure,
liver
problems, bipolar depression, dementia, dyskinesias (difficulty
making
movements), gallbladder disease, headache, and multiple sclerosis. It
is used on the skin for acne and psoriasis.


Other names for Phosphatidylcholine include: Lecithin,
Phosphatidylethanolamine, Phosphatidyl, Phosphatidylinositol, PC-55,
Ethanolamine, and Serine.

-------------------------

"Lecithin applied topically to the skin decreased blood cholesterol in
people with normal and high blood cholesterol levels."

http://www.foodsafetynetwork.ca/en/news-details.php?a=4&c=30&sc=218&i...


NEW RESEARCH SUPPORTS LECITHIN AND CHOLINE AS ESSENTIAL NUTRIENTS
30.nov.99
Sources


Sept. 10/96


(from a central Central Soya Company, Inc. press release) BRUSSELS,
Belgium PRNewswire/ -- In a two-day international meeting that ended
today, scientists discussed mounting evidence showing that the
nutrients choline and lecithin, available in foods and as
supplements,
serve a number of essential roles in promoting health and preventing
disease. Findings from the meeting, the "7th International Congress
on
Phospholipids," along with other recent research, may lead to the
designation of a recommended dietary allowance (RDA) for choline.
Choline is a key component of lecithin, known chemically as
phosphatidylcholine, a member of a family of fatty substances known
as
phospholipids. The conference, sponsored by the AOCS Phospholipid
Division (ILPS) and a number of companies, focused on the role of
choline, lecithin and other phospholipids in brain development and
memory, decreasing the risks of heart disease and cancer, and cell
functioning. Brain Development and Memory Past studies have shown
that
choline supplements improve memory and brain development in animals
and
humans. Warren Meck, Ph.D., Associate Professor of Psychology, Duke
University, North Carolina, reported that when choline was fed to
pregnant rats, their offspring showed significantly better memory in
maze tests than rats whose mothers were not fed choline. The improved
memory was maintained even after the rats grew old, and was
comparable
to that of much younger rats. Steven Zeisel, MD, Ph.D., Professor and
Chair, Department of Nutrition, University of North Carolina, and
Technical Chairperson of the conference, presented complimentary
findings showing that choline requirements are especially high in
rats
during pregnancy and lactation. "Taken together, these findings
suggest
that adequate choline intake by pregnant women may be important for
their children's optimal mental development," he said. He noted that
choline is recognized as important in human development, and is
included in all infant formulas approved by the U.S. Food and Drug
Administration. Christina Williams, Ph.D., Associate Professor of
Psychology at Duke and a colleague of Dr. Meck, reported that the
benefits of choline on memory were more pronounced in male compared
to
female rats, probably due to a positive interaction between choline
and
male sex hormones. Other rat studies presented here showed that
choline-induced memory improvement is associated with short- and
long-term changes in certain brain nerve cells and substances, and
that
choline positively affects brain development. Heart Benefits Recently
reported studies have shown that the amino acid homocysteine
increases
cardiovascular disease risk, and that the vitamin folic acid helps
metabolize homocysteine, decreasing risk. High protein intake,
typical
of western diets, was discussed as a possible contributor to high
homocysteine levels. The man credited with discovering the
homocysteine-heart disease link in the 1960s, Kilmer McCully, MD from
the Veterans Administration Medical Center, Providence, Rhode Island,
spoke about the possible protective role of choline. "Like folic
acid,
choline is involved in metabolizing homocysteine, and has been shown
to
be partially effective in lowering homocysteine levels in humans," he
said. "A fair amount of recent research has focused on folic acid,
but
I believe choline deserves further study." Other research suggests
lecithin protects the heart because it favorably affects the way the
body handles cholesterol. One of the more unusual presentations
described how lecithin applied topically to the skin decreased blood
cholesterol in people with normal and high blood cholesterol levels.
Liver Function and Cancer Protection Lecithin and choline have long
been recognized as essential to liver function in both humans and
animals. Dr. Zeisel described how choline deficiency leads to
dramatically increased death of liver cells grown in the test tube.
He
said that other studies in his lab found higher rates of liver cancer
in choline-deficient rats, and signs of abnormal liver function in
healthy humans after only a few weeks on a choline deficient diet. He
also noted that other researchers have shown lecithin may protect the
liver from damage due to alcohol. Lecithin and other phospholipids
are
key players in cell signaling, a critical process needed for many
aspects of normal cell function. A number of talks focused on the
role
of phospholipids in normal and abnormal signaling pathways involved
in
cancer, inflammation, blood coagulation, tissue injury, and the
adverse
effects of a stroke. Recommended Dietary Allowance These and other
findings on lecithin and choline may lead to the designation of an
RDA
for choline. RDAs are set in the U.S. by the Food and Nutrition Board
for a number of vitamins and minerals, and are the basis for food and
nutrient supplement labels and surveys measuring dietary adequacy.
"The
Food and Nutrition Board recognizes that there are a number of
nutrients important to health with no currently designated RDAs, such
as choline and fiber," said Bernadette M. Marriott, Ph.D., Director,
Office of Dietary Supplements at the National Institutes of Health
and
a former member of the Board who attended the conference. "The Board
will consider choline as a possibly essential nutrient that works in
concert with other recognized essential nutrients such as folic acid.
Food Sources and Supplements Most of the choline in the diet is in
the
form of lecithin. Though lecithin occurs in a wide variety of foods,
the richest sources tend to also be high in fat and cholesterol, such
as eggs and organ meats. With the trend to cut back on fatty foods,
people are probably also cutting down their lecithin intake.
"Decreasing fat intake can decrease cardiovascular disease risk; but
lecithin also appears beneficial for heart health, not to mention all
of its other functions discussed here," said Bernard Szuhaj, Ph.D.,
General Chairperson of the meeting and Director of Research at
Central
Soya, Inc., a soybean processing company based in Fort Wayne,
Indiana,
and one of the sponsors of the meeting. "If we decrease our lecithin
intake by cutting high-fat foods, we need to deal with the issue of
how
to add lecithin back." Lecithin supplements are available in health
food and drug stores. Granular lecithin, the most common form, has a
mild, nutty flavor and can be sprinkled on cereal, combined with
other
foods or used in various recipes. Gel capsules are also available.
One
tablespoon of the granules or 10 capsules provides about the same
amount of phosphatidylcholine as one egg, but without cholesterol.
Two
times this amount would be reasonable to take each day, and would
provide about as much phosphatidylcholine as a diet containing
lecithin-rich foods.



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Tom


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> My doctor recently put me on Diovan for my high blood pressure, but
> that medication is really very expensive and not a drug my insurance
> company will pay for; does anyone know of a cheaper high blood
> pressure medicine that the insurance won't balk at that I might
> suggest to him? Thanks.
>
> Ilif

From: Maija Haavisto on 15 Jun 2008 06:53
Ilif <ryon(a)quik.com> kirjoitti Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:37:40 +0300:

> My doctor recently put me on Diovan for my high blood pressure, but
> that medication is really very expensive and not a drug my insurance
> company will pay for; does anyone know of a cheaper high blood
> pressure medicine that the insurance won't balk at that I might
> suggest to him? Thanks.

There are numerous very inexpensive blood pressure medications. Many of
them can also help fibromyalgia, such as clonidine, pindolol and
verapamil (actually Diovan could also help fibromyalgia due to its
anti-inflammatory properties). Ask your doctor about any alternatives.
Even if your insurance doesn't cover these drugs, they should be very
inexpensive to pay out of pocket (a few bucks a month).

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From: amangargptl on 15 Jun 2008 12:40
On Jun 14, 8:34 pm, "ironjust...(a)aol.com" <ironjust...(a)aol.com> wrote:
> On Jun 13, 10:37 pm, Ilif <r...(a)quik.com> wrote:that medication is
> really very expensive <<
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ypatx8
>
> Herbals & Supplements
> Phosphatidylcholine
> What is it?
> Phosphatidylcholine is found in soy lecithin. It can be taken as
> dietary lecithin or as a supplement for high cholesterol,
> atherosclerosis (fat deposits on arteries), high blood pressure,
> liver
> problems, bipolar depression, dementia, dyskinesias (difficulty
> making
> movements), gallbladder disease, headache, and multiple sclerosis. It
> is used on the skin for acne and psoriasis.
>
> Other names for Phosphatidylcholine include: Lecithin,
> Phosphatidylethanolamine, Phosphatidyl, Phosphatidylinositol, PC-55,
> Ethanolamine, and Serine.
>
> -------------------------
>
> "Lecithin applied topically to the skin decreased blood cholesterol in
> people with normal and high blood cholesterol levels."
>
> http://www.foodsafetynetwork.ca/en/news-details.php?a=4&c=30&sc=218&i...
>
> NEW RESEARCH SUPPORTS LECITHIN AND CHOLINE AS ESSENTIAL NUTRIENTS
> 30.nov.99
> Sources
>
> Sept. 10/96
>
> (from a central Central Soya Company, Inc. press release) BRUSSELS,
> Belgium PRNewswire/ -- In a two-day international meeting that ended
> today, scientists discussed mounting evidence showing that the
> nutrients choline and lecithin, available in foods and as
> supplements,
> serve a number of essential roles in promoting health and preventing
> disease. Findings from the meeting, the "7th International Congress
> on
> Phospholipids," along with other recent research, may lead to the
> designation of a recommended dietary allowance (RDA) for choline.
> Choline is a key component of lecithin, known chemically as
> phosphatidylcholine, a member of a family of fatty substances known
> as
> phospholipids. The conference, sponsored by the AOCS Phospholipid
> Division (ILPS) and a number of companies, focused on the role of
> choline, lecithin and other phospholipids inbraindevelopmentand
> memory, decreasing the risks of heart disease and cancer, and cell
> functioning.BrainDevelopmentand Memory Past studies have shown
> that
> choline supplements improve memory andbraindevelopmentin animals
> and
> humans. Warren Meck, Ph.D., Associate Professor of Psychology, Duke
> University, North Carolina, reported that when choline was fed to
> pregnant rats, their offspring showed significantly better memory in
> maze tests than rats whose mothers were not fed choline. The improved
> memory was maintained even after the rats grew old, and was
> comparable
> to that of much younger rats. Steven Zeisel, MD, Ph.D., Professor and
> Chair, Department of Nutrition, University of North Carolina, and
> Technical Chairperson of the conference, presented complimentary
> findings showing that choline requirements are especially high in
> rats
> during pregnancy and lactation. "Taken together, these findings
> suggest
> that adequate choline intake by pregnant women may be important for
> their children's optimal mentaldevelopment," he said. He noted that
> choline is recognized as important in humandevelopment, and is
> included in all infant formulas approved by the U.S. Food and Drug
> Administration. Christina Williams, Ph.D., Associate Professor of
> Psychology at Duke and a colleague of Dr. Meck, reported that the
> benefits of choline on memory were more pronounced in male compared
> to
> female rats, probably due to a positive interaction between choline
> and
> male sex hormones. Other rat studies presented here showed that
> choline-induced memory improvement is associated with short- and
> long-term changes in certainbrainnerve cells and substances, and
> that
> choline positively affectsbraindevelopment. Heart Benefits Recently
> reported studies have shown that the amino acid homocysteine
> increases
> cardiovascular disease risk, and that the vitamin folic acid helps
> metabolize homocysteine, decreasing risk. High protein intake,
> typical
> of western diets, was discussed as a possible contributor to high
> homocysteine levels. The man credited with discovering the
> homocysteine-heart disease link in the 1960s, Kilmer McCully, MD from
> the Veterans Administration Medical Center, Providence, Rhode Island,
> spoke about the possible protective role of choline. "Like folic
> acid,
> choline is involved in metabolizing homocysteine, and has been shown
> to
> be partially effective in lowering homocysteine levels in humans," he
> said. "A fair amount of recent research has focused on folic acid,
> but
> I believe choline deserves further study." Other research suggests
> lecithin protects the heart because it favorably affects the way the
> body handles cholesterol. One of the more unusual presentations
> described how lecithin applied topically to the skin decreased blood
> cholesterol in people with normal and high blood cholesterol levels.
> Liver Function and Cancer Protection Lecithin and choline have long
> been recognized as essential to liver function in both humans and
> animals. Dr. Zeisel described how choline deficiency leads to
> dramatically increased death of liver cells grown in the test tube.
> He
> said that other studies in his lab found higher rates of liver cancer
> in choline-deficient rats, and signs of abnormal liver function in
> healthy humans after only a few weeks on a choline deficient diet. He
> also noted that other researchers have shown lecithin may protect the
> liver from damage due to alcohol. Lecithin and other phospholipids
> are
> key players in cell signaling, a critical process needed for many
> aspects of normal cell function. A number of talks focused on the
> role
> of phospholipids in normal and abnormal signaling pathways involved
> in
> cancer, inflammation, blood coagulation, tissue injury, and the
> adverse
> effects of a stroke. Recommended Dietary Allowance These and other
> findings on lecithin and choline may lead to the designation of an
> RDA
> for choline. RDAs are set in the U.S. by the Food and Nutrition Board
> for a number of vitamins and minerals, and are the basis for food and
> nutrient supplement labels and surveys measuring dietary adequacy.
> "The
> Food and Nutrition Board recognizes that there are a number of
> nutrients important to health with no currently designated RDAs, such
> as choline and fiber," said Bernadette M. Marriott, Ph.D., Director,
> Office of Dietary Supplements at the National Institutes of Health
> and
> a former member of the Board who attended the conference. "The Board
> will consider choline as a possibly essential nutrient that works in
> concert with other recognized essential nutrients such as folic acid.
> Food Sources and Supplements Most of the choline in the diet is in
> the
> form of lecithin. Though lecithin occurs in a wide variety of foods,
> the richest sources tend to also be high in fat and cholesterol, such
> as eggs and organ meats. With the trend to cut back on fatty foods,
> people are probably also cutting down their lecithin intake.
> "Decreasing fat intake can decrease cardiovascular disease risk; but
> lecithin also appears beneficial for heart health, not to mention all
> of its other functions discussed here," said Bernard Szuhaj, Ph.D.,
> General Chairperson of the meeting and Director of Research at
> Central
> Soya, Inc., a soybean processing company based in Fort Wayne,
> Indiana,
> and one of the sponsors of the meeting. "If we decrease our lecithin
> intake by cutting high-fat foods, we need to deal with the issue of
> how
> to add lecithin back." Lecithin supplements are available in health
> food and drug stores. Granular lecithin, the most common form, has a
> mild, nutty flavor and can be sprinkled on cereal, combined with
> other
> foods or used in various recipes. Gel capsules are also available.
> One
> tablespoon of the granules or 10 capsules provides about the same
> amount of phosphatidylcholine as one egg, but without cholesterol.
> Two
> times this amount would be reasonable to take each day, and would
> provide about as much phosphatidylcholine as a diet containing
> lecithin-rich foods.
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
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Modern Day ABACUS has a plastic frame with colorful beads on it that
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>
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>
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>
> > My doctor recently put me on Diovan for my high blood pressure, but
> > that medication is really very expensive and not a drug my insurance
> > company will pay for; does anyone know of a cheaper high blood
> > pressure medicine that the insurance won't balk at that I might
> > suggest to him? Thanks.
>
> > Ilif

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