From: Mark Probert on
On Dec 10, 8:16 pm, PeterB - Original <p...(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 10, 3:49 pm, Mark Thorson <nos...(a)sonic.net> wrote:
>
> > Quoting from:
>
> >http://www.naturalproductsinsider.com/news/2009/12/diamond-herpanacin...
>
> > "Dr. Diamond placed a strong emphasis on patient education
> > and his holistic practice concentrated on comprehensive safe
> > and effective natural medicine such as vitamin and herbal
> > therapy, nutritional programs, weight control and biochemical
> > balancing (to combat disease)."
>
> > Sure didn't do him much good, did it?  
>
> Maybe it did.  His rare disease might have killed him years earlier
> had he also been a smoker, for example.
>
> > He died at 64.
> > My maternal grandmother died at 65, and she was a smoker.
>
> Yet smokers die 10 years earlier than non smokers, meaning  your
> grandmother's life was
> shortened by up to a decade.   Sounds like your logic is seriously
> flawed on all points.

Nope, dope, it is your logic. why did a Naturopath develop such a
serious condition? Doesn't living by those rules protect against such
things? Sounds like his stuff was useless.

Another Hulda.

From: PeterB - Original on
On Dec 10, 8:52 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 10, 8:16 pm, PeterB - Original <p...(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 10, 3:49 pm, Mark Thorson <nos...(a)sonic.net> wrote:
>
> > > Quoting from:
>
> > >http://www.naturalproductsinsider.com/news/2009/12/diamond-herpanacin....
>
> > > "Dr. Diamond placed a strong emphasis on patient education
> > > and his holistic practice concentrated on comprehensive safe
> > > and effective natural medicine such as vitamin and herbal
> > > therapy, nutritional programs, weight control and biochemical
> > > balancing (to combat disease)."
>
> > > Sure didn't do him much good, did it?  
>
> > Maybe it did.  His rare disease might have killed him years earlier
> > had he also been a smoker, for example.
>
> > > He died at 64.
> > > My maternal grandmother died at 65, and she was a smoker.
>
> > Yet smokers die 10 years earlier than non smokers, meaning  your
> > grandmother's life was
> > shortened by up to a decade.   Sounds like your logic is seriously
> > flawed on all points.
>
> Nope, dope, it is your logic. why did a Naturopath develop such a
> serious condition?

We are all subject to our individual genetics, markey. Being a non
smoker, for instance, doesn't mean you'll never get lung cancer, but
it lowers the odds that you will.

> Doesn't living by those rules protect against such
> things?

It can, but there are no guarantees in life. You really do need to
read a book now and then.

> Sounds like his stuff was useless.
>
> Another Hulda.

From: trigonometry1972 on
On Dec 10, 5:52 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 10, 8:16 pm, PeterB - Original <p...(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 10, 3:49 pm, Mark Thorson <nos...(a)sonic.net> wrote:
>
> > > Quoting from:
>
> > >http://www.naturalproductsinsider.com/news/2009/12/diamond-herpanacin....
>
> > > "Dr. Diamond placed a strong emphasis on patient education
> > > and his holistic practice concentrated on comprehensive safe
> > > and effective natural medicine such as vitamin and herbal
> > > therapy, nutritional programs, weight control and biochemical
> > > balancing (to combat disease)."
>
> > > Sure didn't do him much good, did it?  
>
> > Maybe it did.  His rare disease might have killed him years earlier
> > had he also been a smoker, for example.
>
> > > He died at 64.
> > > My maternal grandmother died at 65, and she was a smoker.
>
> > Yet smokers die 10 years earlier than non smokers, meaning  your
> > grandmother's life was
> > shortened by up to a decade.   Sounds like your logic is seriously
> > flawed on all points.
>
> Nope, dope, it is your logic. why did a Naturopath develop such a
> serious condition? Doesn't living by those rules protect against such
> things? Sounds like his stuff was useless.
>
> Another Hulda.

There is an element of the random walk in life. We can
bump the odds at times in one direction or the other
depending on our choices.

Sometimes people ignore or are unaware of some rather large
risk factors. Some carry genetic defects that make them
prone to a relatively early death i.e. 64. Well water
is often contaminated. Neighborhoods have different
cancer rates due to nearby industrial plants.

There were those who mocked Linus Pauling for dying
at age 93. Here was a man who had smoked into his
late middle age and who loved to charcoal grill beef steak until
he was too old to do it. Whereas Herbert an opponent
didn't make it age 70 as I recall.

Then of course, we have to ask what really was his
regimen? Some don't apply what they know or think
they know.

Just living results in aging and disease.
Every year our cosmic ray
exposure climb. Pilots and flight attendants seem to
age more rapidly, I'll add. Teleomeres shorten with
the years.
The extracellular matrix become gradually stiffer
at varying rates. The chances of autoimmune
disease tend to climb with age. Fat soluble
long biological half lived toxics accumulate.
due to work, consumer, environment, and
accidentally exposures.

There are things one can to do to increase
ones odds of living to age 90 but there is
no certainty even of that modest goal.

Off to swallow my rutin, quercetin, benfotiamine,
thiamine, assorted quniones, anthocyanins
and vitamin D3.......................Trig
From: Jan Drew on
On Dec 11, 2:42�am, "John Hasenkam" <jo...(a)goawayplease.com> wrote:
> Hey Mark, let's start selling supplements, there be a fortune in them thar
> hills me boy but first we gotta find some snake oil ....

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.life-extension/msg/d4ebef9038609f25

Newsgroups: sci.life-extension, sci.med.nutrition
From: "John Hasenkam" <jo...(a)goawayplease.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:38:09 +1000
Local: Fri, Dec 11 2009 2:38 am

The need of reforms in medicine