From: Sdores on
What's the matter Jan, don't like people who have diseases or is it you
don't like me having one and haveing people here who I email with and you
don't like them? Get over yourself. I have as much of a right to post what
ever I want whenever I want which isn't that often unlike your mass nasty
postings. UM MOM Susan
"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Sdores" <sdores(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:MVTXg.27038$zF5.9881(a)bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>> You keep bring up Revici, do you get money from it or something? You
>> have said if I remember correctly that you have his stuff patented in
>> your name. I just think you have beaten this to death already. Just my
>> opinion but the archives will show you bring this up a lot. UM MOM Susan
>
> The archives show YOU bring up *I am having another flare up* Email me.
> OT. OT, OT. Mark Probert
> was nice to me in email. Cathyb is not Rosalind. I email her and she
> said so, blah, blah, blah.
> This is NOT a support group.
>> <awthrawthr(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1160743295.866023.177070(a)m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>>> Once again scientists are stunned to see compounds "melt" into a larger
>>> compound. Some day, they'll realize what is going on, but right now,
>>> they just don't know what to make of this unexpected result.
>>>
>>> http://www.world-science.net/othernews/061012_tiny-genome.htm
>>>
>>> When they do figure it out, they'll get another Nobel Prize, just like
>>> two scientists were awarded one this year for discovering that bacteria
>>> have the ability to shut off genes.
>>>
>>> The next Nobel can be added to the leukotriene discovery by Bengt
>>> Samuelsen's 1982 Nobel...something Revici identified prior to 1950.
>>>
>>> And let us not forget John Clement's discovery of a lipoprotein
>>> "surfactant" that earned him the Lasker Award. It was the first
>>> recognized application of surface tension in human biology. Revici had
>>> used surface tension prior to 1938 in the diagnosis and treatment for a
>>> variety of diseases, conducting more than 100,000 tests on human
>>> subjects by 1961, and received a patent for his urotensiometer.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>


From: Jeff on

<awthrawthr(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1160743295.866023.177070(a)m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> Once again scientists are stunned to see compounds "melt" into a larger
> compound. Some day, they'll realize what is going on, but right now,
> they just don't know what to make of this unexpected result.
>
> http://www.world-science.net/othernews/061012_tiny-genome.htm
>
> When they do figure it out, they'll get another Nobel Prize, just like
> two scientists were awarded one this year for discovering that bacteria
> have the ability to shut off genes.

Actually, it is worms that shut off genes, although other eukaryotic
species, like animals and plants, do it too.

> The next Nobel can be added to the leukotriene discovery by Bengt
> Samuelsen's 1982 Nobel...something Revici identified prior to 1950.
>
> And let us not forget John Clement's discovery of a lipoprotein
> "surfactant" that earned him the Lasker Award. It was the first
> recognized application of surface tension in human biology. Revici had
> used surface tension prior to 1938 in the diagnosis and treatment for a
> variety of diseases, conducting more than 100,000 tests on human
> subjects by 1961, and received a patent for his urotensiometer.

Can you please provide references that they Revici used surface tension
before 1938? And discovered leukotrienes before 1960?

http://www.cancer.org/docroot/ETO/content/ETO_5_3X_Revicis_Guided_Chemotherapy.asp?sitearea=ETO

Jeff


From: awthrawthr on

Jeff wrote:
> <awthrawthr(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1160743295.866023.177070(a)m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> > Once again scientists are stunned to see compounds "melt" into a larger
> > compound. Some day, they'll realize what is going on, but right now,
> > they just don't know what to make of this unexpected result.
> >
> > http://www.world-science.net/othernews/061012_tiny-genome.htm
> >
> > When they do figure it out, they'll get another Nobel Prize, just like
> > two scientists were awarded one this year for discovering that bacteria
> > have the ability to shut off genes.
>
> Actually, it is worms that shut off genes, although other eukaryotic
> species, like animals and plants, do it too.

The worms shut off genes when the were fed bacteria. without the
bacteria, no genes were shut off.

>
> > The next Nobel can be added to the leukotriene discovery by Bengt
> > Samuelsen's 1982 Nobel...something Revici identified prior to 1950.
> >
> > And let us not forget John Clement's discovery of a lipoprotein
> > "surfactant" that earned him the Lasker Award. It was the first
> > recognized application of surface tension in human biology. Revici had
> > used surface tension prior to 1938 in the diagnosis and treatment for a
> > variety of diseases, conducting more than 100,000 tests on human
> > subjects by 1961, and received a patent for his urotensiometer.
>
> Can you please provide references that they Revici used surface tension
> before 1938?

I may have made an error in the year. In Revici's book, he states that
he conducted over 100,000 tests with the Urotensiometer in the previous
12 years, which would put it at between 1943 and1948, rather than 1938,
since it took him five years to write the book, and was published in
early 1961.

>And discovered leukotrienes before 1960?

In 1950, Revici presented a paper: "Revici, E.: The influence of
irradiation upon unsaturated fatty acids. Presented at the 6th
International Congress of Radiology, London, July, 1950."

In that paper he describes what he called ""trienically conjugated
fatty acids." These are "one and the same" to the leukotrienes,
according to Dr. A. R. Salman, M.D. and others. Dr. Salman has that
Revici's description was clearer and in more detail than was
Samuellson's.

Furthermore, Revici developed treatments for the condition, much like
Clemens developed a surfactant for the surface tension discovery he
made.

Revici was surprised by the Nobel Prize being given for Samuelsson's
discovery, because to him it was small discovery.

From: Jeff on

<awthrawthr(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1160852426.661751.12100(a)h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Jeff wrote:
>> <awthrawthr(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1160743295.866023.177070(a)m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>> > Once again scientists are stunned to see compounds "melt" into a larger
>> > compound. Some day, they'll realize what is going on, but right now,
>> > they just don't know what to make of this unexpected result.
>> >
>> > http://www.world-science.net/othernews/061012_tiny-genome.htm
>> >
>> > When they do figure it out, they'll get another Nobel Prize, just like
>> > two scientists were awarded one this year for discovering that bacteria
>> > have the ability to shut off genes.
>>
>> Actually, it is worms that shut off genes, although other eukaryotic
>> species, like animals and plants, do it too.
>
> The worms shut off genes when the were fed bacteria. without the
> bacteria, no genes were shut off.

It is not the bacteria that shut off genes, however. It is the response of
the eukaryotic cells to the bacteria. The bacteria, themselves, do not shut
off the genes.

>
>>
>> > The next Nobel can be added to the leukotriene discovery by Bengt
>> > Samuelsen's 1982 Nobel...something Revici identified prior to 1950.
>> >
>> > And let us not forget John Clement's discovery of a lipoprotein
>> > "surfactant" that earned him the Lasker Award. It was the first
>> > recognized application of surface tension in human biology. Revici had
>> > used surface tension prior to 1938 in the diagnosis and treatment for a
>> > variety of diseases, conducting more than 100,000 tests on human
>> > subjects by 1961, and received a patent for his urotensiometer.
>>
>> Can you please provide references that they Revici used surface tension
>> before 1938?
>
> I may have made an error in the year. In Revici's book, he states that
> he conducted over 100,000 tests with the Urotensiometer in the previous
> 12 years, which would put it at between 1943 and1948, rather than 1938,
> since it took him five years to write the book, and was published in
> early 1961.
>
>>And discovered leukotrienes before 1960?
>
> In 1950, Revici presented a paper: "Revici, E.: The influence of
> irradiation upon unsaturated fatty acids. Presented at the 6th
> International Congress of Radiology, London, July, 1950."
>
> In that paper he describes what he called ""trienically conjugated
> fatty acids." These are "one and the same" to the leukotrienes,
> according to Dr. A. R. Salman, M.D. and others. Dr. Salman has that
> Revici's description was clearer and in more detail than was
> Samuellson's.
>
> Furthermore, Revici developed treatments for the condition, much like
> Clemens developed a surfactant for the surface tension discovery he
> made.
>
> Revici was surprised by the Nobel Prize being given for Samuelsson's
> discovery, because to him it was small discovery.

Thanks. A quick search of the internet shows you are correct on both the
leukotrienes and the urotensiometer, which is used to detect kidney stones.

Jeff


From: awthrawthr on

Jeff wrote:
> <awthrawthr(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1160852426.661751.12100(a)h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Jeff wrote:
> >> <awthrawthr(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1160743295.866023.177070(a)m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> >> > Once again scientists are stunned to see compounds "melt" into a larger
> >> > compound. Some day, they'll realize what is going on, but right now,
> >> > they just don't know what to make of this unexpected result.
> >> >
> >> > http://www.world-science.net/othernews/061012_tiny-genome.htm
> >> >
> >> > When they do figure it out, they'll get another Nobel Prize, just like
> >> > two scientists were awarded one this year for discovering that bacteria
> >> > have the ability to shut off genes.
> >>
> >> Actually, it is worms that shut off genes, although other eukaryotic
> >> species, like animals and plants, do it too.
> >
> > The worms shut off genes when the were fed bacteria. without the
> > bacteria, no genes were shut off.
>
> It is not the bacteria that shut off genes, however. It is the response of
> the eukaryotic cells to the bacteria. The bacteria, themselves, do not shut
> off the genes.

Not the entire bacteria, rather the fatty acids which are a part of the
bacteria. It might be akin to saying an orange, lemon or lime doesn't
protect us from scurvy, but the Vitamin C that is in the fruit that
does it. Remember that when the bacteria was introduced, viral gene was
turned off.

The research points to a possibility of a confirmation of Revici's
theory that (a) bacteria have in them a natural anti-viral component,
and (b) is consistent with his theory of Hierarchic Organization (a
competing explanation of evolution.) From what was revealed in the
Nobel Award, the 2006 Prize isn't a smoking gun for Revici's
work...it's just another indicator because the discovery fits into
Revici's theories without any contradiction.

> >> > The next Nobel can be added to the leukotriene discovery by Bengt
> >> > Samuelsen's 1982 Nobel...something Revici identified prior to 1950.
> >> >
> >> > And let us not forget John Clement's discovery of a lipoprotein
> >> > "surfactant" that earned him the Lasker Award. It was the first
> >> > recognized application of surface tension in human biology. Revici had
> >> > used surface tension prior to 1938 in the diagnosis and treatment for a
> >> > variety of diseases, conducting more than 100,000 tests on human
> >> > subjects by 1961, and received a patent for his urotensiometer.
> >>
> >> Can you please provide references that they Revici used surface tension
> >> before 1938?
> >
> > I may have made an error in the year. In Revici's book, he states that
> > he conducted over 100,000 tests with the Urotensiometer in the previous
> > 12 years, which would put it at between 1943 and1948, rather than 1938,
> > since it took him five years to write the book, and was published in
> > early 1961.
> >
> >>And discovered leukotrienes before 1960?
> >
> > In 1950, Revici presented a paper: "Revici, E.: The influence of
> > irradiation upon unsaturated fatty acids. Presented at the 6th
> > International Congress of Radiology, London, July, 1950."
> >
> > In that paper he describes what he called ""trienically conjugated
> > fatty acids." These are "one and the same" to the leukotrienes,
> > according to Dr. A. R. Salman, M.D. and others. Dr. Salman has that
> > Revici's description was clearer and in more detail than was
> > Samuellson's.
> >
> > Furthermore, Revici developed treatments for the condition, much like
> > Clemens developed a surfactant for the surface tension discovery he
> > made.
> >
> > Revici was surprised by the Nobel Prize being given for Samuelsson's
> > discovery, because to him it was small discovery.
>
> Thanks. A quick search of the internet shows you are correct on both the
> leukotrienes and the urotensiometer, which is used to detect kidney stones.

Revici used surface tension, along with other indicators, to help
monitor the metabolic imbalance of cancer patients. In my
understanding, according to Revici's theory of Hierarchic Organization,
surface tension has a role in evolution for organisms more complex than
the fungal/yeast/mold level. In other words, beginning at the
interstitial level and beyond.

In a mostly unrelated topic...Note that a 16 to 1 ratio of sodium
concentration to potassium concentration in the interstitial level is
the same as the sodium/potassium concentration ratio in the Pacific
Ocean. This is but one of several ratios that point to the development
of the interstitial level in the ocean.

Another set of uncanny ratios of potassium concentrations in both the
cytoplasm and the earth's crust point to the theory that the cytoplasm
developed on the earth's surface. This would have occurred prior to the
interstitial evolvement, thereby indicating that earlier evolution took
place on land rather than in the ocean. It's all very complicated, and
I don't trust my lousy typing skills to retype Revici's writings on
this.

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