From: Mark Probert on
mainframetech wrote:
> On Aug 26, 12:23 am, Mark Probert <markprob...(a)lumbercartel.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Mark Probert,
> It appears you have fouled up on this one. Dr. Kramer is my
> nephrologist whom I visit regularly, and he takes insurance, namely
> Horizon BC/BS. I can't speak to NY one way or the other, but you
> certainly made up baloney about the NJ office.
>
> Chris
>
Hi Chirs, I was referring to the NY office where he practices quackery.
According to NY doctor profiles, he does not accept insurance in NY.

http://www.nydoctorprofile.com/results_medinfo.jsp

Now, I ask myself why he does not accept insurance in Long Island City,
which is located in the Borough of Queens?

Well, for one thing, insurance does not cover wacko treatments. For
another thing, insurance companies, etc. examine claims and make
decisions to pay them based on reasonably acceptable medical standards.
The system is NOT perfect, and I have had some serious situations with
them. However, they do tend to avoid payment for useless treatments.

Avoiding examination of billing practices by Medicaid, Medicare,
ChildHealth Plus, is an excellent way to avoid having people poking around.

He is probably an excellent nephrologist. However, it is his NY
practices I am addressing. Please read all my words before you knee jerk.
From: mainframetech on
On Sep 2, 10:42 pm, Mark Probert <markprob...(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote:


Mark Probert,
You had said:
> Dr. Moran is a retired cancer surgeon. Are you calling him a clown?

The suggestion is that you think a "retired cancer surgeon"
shouldn''t be called a clown. It also smacks of your believing that
your rhetorical question applies to all physicians. In any event, no
matter what your purpose, my comment DOES cover all physicians as far
as their being 'clowns' in the derogatory meaning of the word. As to
whether Peter Moran is a clown of this type, I can't say yet, but he
certainly seems to keep attitudes and company with some clowns.

Chris

From: mainframetech on

>He is probably an excellent nephrologist. However, it is his NY
>practices I am addressing. Please read all my words before you knee jerk.

Mark Probert,
For a doctor that you have spent time running down as a 'quack',
I'm surprised you would allow as how he might be an excellent
nephrologist. My personal impression of him is that he is that and
more. However, we must consider that the insurance companies are in
business to avoid payments where possible. Just look at their efforts
after hurricane Katrina. If people use a treatment that works, but is
somewhat out of the mainstream, the insurance company can avoid
payment by saying the treatment is not accepted by the medical
community. The company uses all the gimmicks available to maximize
profits for the investors, which is their one and only goal. It is of
great use to them to have a nice mainstream medical community that
lists what is good and bad in medicine, and I know from experience
that even a treatment that proves itself to be efficacious will not be
paid for where it can possibly be avoided.

It is a sorry state of affairs that medicine in many countries has
not come to their senses. While I do not generally think treatment in
China is laudable, I do think they have used some common sense in one
area. They put modern doctors familiar with current technology
together with rural herbalists and local healers with only their
unsanctioned training. They put them into a hospital and ordered
everyone to give credence to each others methods. After a while, many
new and useful treatrments came out of it, and a respect for the
'local healers' who had only been derided by the more technical types
previously (sound familiar?).

Chris

From: Mark Probert on
mainframetech wrote:
> On Sep 2, 10:42 pm, Mark Probert <markprob...(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote:
>
>
> Mark Probert,
> You had said:
>> Dr. Moran is a retired cancer surgeon. Are you calling him a clown?
>
> The suggestion is that you think a "retired cancer surgeon"
> shouldn''t be called a clown.

No, I did not say that. My remarks were specific to Dr. Moran, not "a"
retired cancer surgeon. There are clowns who are treating people for
cancer that should retire....Clark, Burzynski, et al.

It also smacks of your believing that
> your rhetorical question applies to all physicians.

Not if you are skilled at reading comprehension.

In any event, no
> matter what your purpose, my comment DOES cover all physicians as far
> as their being 'clowns' in the derogatory meaning of the word.

Well, then your comment is asinine.

As to
> whether Peter Moran is a clown of this type, I can't say yet, but he
> certainly seems to keep attitudes and company with some clowns.

Keep an open mind. I did. Like I said, which is removed, I have read his
well written and documented posts for years. If anything, they are from
a person who truly cared about his patients.



From: Mark Probert on
brightwinger wrote:
> On Sep 2, 9:33 pm, Mark Probert <markprob...(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote:
>> mainframetech wrote:
>>> On Aug 26, 12:23 am, Mark Probert <markprob...(a)lumbercartel.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> Mark Probert,
>>> It appears you have fouled up on this one. Dr. Kramer is my
>>> nephrologist whom I visit regularly, and he takes insurance, namely
>>> Horizon BC/BS. I can't speak to NY one way or the other, but you
>>> certainly made up baloney about the NJ office.
>>> Chris
>> Hi Chirs, I was referring to the NY office where he practices quackery.
>> According to NY doctor profiles, he does not accept insurance in NY.
>>
>> http://www.nydoctorprofile.com/results_medinfo.jsp
>>
>> Now, I ask myself why he does not accept insurance in Long Island City,
>> which is located in the Borough of Queens?
>>
>> Well, for one thing, insurance does not cover wacko treatments. For
>> another thing, insurance companies, etc. examine claims and make
>> decisions to pay them based on reasonably acceptable medical standards.
>> The system is NOT perfect, and I have had some serious situations with
>> them. However, they do tend to avoid payment for useless treatments.
>>
>> Avoiding examination of billing practices by Medicaid, Medicare,
>> ChildHealth Plus, is an excellent way to avoid having people poking around.

Ad hominem deleted.

I guess you ran out of intelligent things to say.