From: brightwinger on
On Aug 24, 11:24 pm, Mark Probert <markprob...(a)lumbercartel.com>
wrote:
> brightwinger wrote:
> > On Aug 23, 10:28 pm, Mark Probert <markprob...(a)lumbercartel.com>
> > wrote:
> >> brightwinger wrote:
> >>> On Aug 20, 7:08 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Aug 20, 12:46 pm, brightwinger <awthraw...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Aug 20, 3:02 am, "Peter Moran" <pmoranATinternode.on.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> "brightwinger" <awthraw...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>news:1187570092.415260.160670(a)r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>>>> There are new images up demonstrating more amazing results achieved by
> >>>>>>> Dr. Emanuel Revici.
> >>>>>>>http://snipurl.com/cancerbeforeandafter
> >>>>>>> I hope to get more images downloaded with the help of a friend in the
> >>>>>>> next week or so. Those images have two set of x-rays of two different
> >>>>>>> patients with multiple osteolytic lesions on the skull that are
> >>>>>>> treated with favorable results.
> >>>>>>> The traffic is increasing daily. With the new programs that I'm just
> >>>>>>> starting to use, those images could be viewed by millions of
> >>>>>>> interested parties in the next year or two.
> >>>>>> And then what? Who does anyone see if they decided to pursue this
> >>>>>> treatment? Why cannot those persons produce cases that can be examined in
> >>>>>> the necessary detail?
> >>>>> People with cancer or in their families are more motivated than you
> >>>>> might be. They'll find Dr. Radu Kramer's Manhattan office if that is
> >>>>> their choice, just like they found the website.
> >>>> If they find his office in New York, then THAT would be a miracle.
> >>>>> Dr. Kramer runs a clinical practice, working extremely long hours.
> >>>> How long are they? His website is silent on that. And, how would you
> >>>> know?
> >>> Just last week he told me he had worked until midnight the night
> >>> before and that unfortunately it was happening more than he would
> >>> like.
> >> Did he tell you that from his NY office?
>
> > It was in the evening, and I called him on his cell phone, so I don't
> > know where he was at the time. He has two offices: one for the Revici
> > work and another that pays the bills.
>
> If he does have a NY office, then he does not accept Medicare, Medicaid,
> Child Health Plus, etc....sounds like a money grubber to me.

The Revici office had a tradition that may still be in effect of not
sending out bills to the patients. When I knew Revici, they did not
process any insurance, public or private. No patient was turned away
if he or she was unable to pay. He practically donates his time two
days a week.

Before you were disbarred, how many days did you donate to the poor?

Thus your quickdraw attack of being a money grubber is unfounded and
reckless.

Kramer has a separate internal medicine, nephrology practice that he
runs which I would guess does accept insurance. Which types I don't
know.

>
>
>
> >>>http://snipurl.com/cancerbeforeandafter
> >>>> As
> >>>>> a physician you are already aware that clinical practice and research
> >>>>> are on two different tracks.
> >>>>> Persuading you is a trivial goal. Exposing millions on interested
> >>>>> people to the visual evidence is far more important.
> >>>>> Someday Kramer might put forth some additional cases. Meanwhile,
> >>>>> anyone with decent vision can see with their own eyes the astounding
> >>>>> results that have been achieved.
> >>>>> Some of that evidence can be seen here:
> >>>>>http://snipurl.com/cancerbeforeandafter-Hidequotedtext -
> >>>>> - Show quoted text -


From: brightwinger on
On Aug 24, 11:21 pm, Mark Probert <markprob...(a)lumbercartel.com>
wrote:
> brightwinger wrote:
> > On Aug 23, 10:28 pm, Mark Probert <markprob...(a)lumbercartel.com>
> > wrote:
> >> brightwinger wrote:
> >>> On Aug 20, 7:08 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Aug 20, 12:46 pm, brightwinger <awthraw...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Aug 20, 3:02 am, "Peter Moran" <pmoranATinternode.on.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> "brightwinger" <awthraw...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>news:1187570092.415260.160670(a)r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>>>> There are new images up demonstrating more amazing results achieved by
> >>>>>>> Dr. Emanuel Revici.
> >>>>>>>http://snipurl.com/cancerbeforeandafter
> >>>>>>> I hope to get more images downloaded with the help of a friend in the
> >>>>>>> next week or so. Those images have two set of x-rays of two different
> >>>>>>> patients with multiple osteolytic lesions on the skull that are
> >>>>>>> treated with favorable results.
> >>>>>>> The traffic is increasing daily. With the new programs that I'm just
> >>>>>>> starting to use, those images could be viewed by millions of
> >>>>>>> interested parties in the next year or two.
> >>>>>> And then what? Who does anyone see if they decided to pursue this
> >>>>>> treatment? Why cannot those persons produce cases that can be examined in
> >>>>>> the necessary detail?
> >>>>> People with cancer or in their families are more motivated than you
> >>>>> might be. They'll find Dr. Radu Kramer's Manhattan office if that is
> >>>>> their choice, just like they found the website.
> >>>> If they find his office in New York, then THAT would be a miracle.
> >>>>> Dr. Kramer runs a clinical practice, working extremely long hours.
> >>>> How long are they? His website is silent on that. And, how would you
> >>>> know?
> >>> Just last week he told me he had worked until midnight the night
> >>> before and that unfortunately it was happening more than he would
> >>> like.
> >> Did he tell you that from his NY office?
>
> > It was in the evening, and I called him on his cell phone, so I don't
> > know where he was at the time. He has two offices: one for the Revici
> > work and another that pays the bills.
>
> But none in NY....

Wrong. I'm not sure how you get a 5 star rating for being completely
wrong, but it does seem to be a regular occurrence around these parts.

>
>
>
> >>>http://snipurl.com/cancerbeforeandafter
> >>>> As
> >>>>> a physician you are already aware that clinical practice and research
> >>>>> are on two different tracks.
> >>>>> Persuading you is a trivial goal. Exposing millions on interested
> >>>>> people to the visual evidence is far more important.
> >>>>> Someday Kramer might put forth some additional cases. Meanwhile,
> >>>>> anyone with decent vision can see with their own eyes the astounding
> >>>>> results that have been achieved.
> >>>>> Some of that evidence can be seen here:
> >>>>>http://snipurl.com/cancerbeforeandafter-Hidequotedtext -
> >>>>> - Show quoted text -


From: Mark Probert on
brightwinger wrote:
> On Aug 24, 11:24 pm, Mark Probert <markprob...(a)lumbercartel.com>
> wrote:
>> brightwinger wrote:
>>> On Aug 23, 10:28 pm, Mark Probert <markprob...(a)lumbercartel.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> brightwinger wrote:
>>>>> On Aug 20, 7:08 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Aug 20, 12:46 pm, brightwinger <awthraw...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Aug 20, 3:02 am, "Peter Moran" <pmoranATinternode.on.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "brightwinger" <awthraw...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:1187570092.415260.160670(a)r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>> There are new images up demonstrating more amazing results achieved by
>>>>>>>>> Dr. Emanuel Revici.
>>>>>>>>> http://snipurl.com/cancerbeforeandafter
>>>>>>>>> I hope to get more images downloaded with the help of a friend in the
>>>>>>>>> next week or so. Those images have two set of x-rays of two different
>>>>>>>>> patients with multiple osteolytic lesions on the skull that are
>>>>>>>>> treated with favorable results.
>>>>>>>>> The traffic is increasing daily. With the new programs that I'm just
>>>>>>>>> starting to use, those images could be viewed by millions of
>>>>>>>>> interested parties in the next year or two.
>>>>>>>> And then what? Who does anyone see if they decided to pursue this
>>>>>>>> treatment? Why cannot those persons produce cases that can be examined in
>>>>>>>> the necessary detail?
>>>>>>> People with cancer or in their families are more motivated than you
>>>>>>> might be. They'll find Dr. Radu Kramer's Manhattan office if that is
>>>>>>> their choice, just like they found the website.
>>>>>> If they find his office in New York, then THAT would be a miracle.
>>>>>>> Dr. Kramer runs a clinical practice, working extremely long hours.
>>>>>> How long are they? His website is silent on that. And, how would you
>>>>>> know?
>>>>> Just last week he told me he had worked until midnight the night
>>>>> before and that unfortunately it was happening more than he would
>>>>> like.
>>>> Did he tell you that from his NY office?
>>> It was in the evening, and I called him on his cell phone, so I don't
>>> know where he was at the time. He has two offices: one for the Revici
>>> work and another that pays the bills.
>> If he does have a NY office, then he does not accept Medicare, Medicaid,
>> Child Health Plus, etc....sounds like a money grubber to me.
>
> The Revici office had a tradition that may still be in effect of not
> sending out bills to the patients. When I knew Revici, they did not
> process any insurance, public or private. No patient was turned away
> if he or she was unable to pay. He practically donates his time two
> days a week.
>
Personal attack/diversion deleted. We are talking about Revici.

Where are the legions of those who he cured? Why are they not singing
his praises? Why have they not sainted him?

> Thus your quickdraw attack of being a money grubber is unfounded and
> reckless.

Hardly, We only have your word and you are clearly his sycophant.

> Kramer has a separate internal medicine, nephrology practice that he
> runs which I would guess does accept insurance. Which types I don't
> know.

Where are the two offices? I could only find one.

>
>>
>>
>>>>> http://snipurl.com/cancerbeforeandafter
>>>>>> As
>>>>>>> a physician you are already aware that clinical practice and research
>>>>>>> are on two different tracks.
>>>>>>> Persuading you is a trivial goal. Exposing millions on interested
>>>>>>> people to the visual evidence is far more important.
>>>>>>> Someday Kramer might put forth some additional cases. Meanwhile,
>>>>>>> anyone with decent vision can see with their own eyes the astounding
>>>>>>> results that have been achieved.
>>>>>>> Some of that evidence can be seen here:
>>>>>>> http://snipurl.com/cancerbeforeandafter-Hidequotedtext -
>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>
>
From: Mark Probert on
brightwinger wrote:
> On Aug 24, 11:21 pm, Mark Probert <markprob...(a)lumbercartel.com>
> wrote:
>> brightwinger wrote:
>>> On Aug 23, 10:28 pm, Mark Probert <markprob...(a)lumbercartel.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> brightwinger wrote:
>>>>> On Aug 20, 7:08 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Aug 20, 12:46 pm, brightwinger <awthraw...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Aug 20, 3:02 am, "Peter Moran" <pmoranATinternode.on.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "brightwinger" <awthraw...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:1187570092.415260.160670(a)r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>> There are new images up demonstrating more amazing results achieved by
>>>>>>>>> Dr. Emanuel Revici.
>>>>>>>>> http://snipurl.com/cancerbeforeandafter
>>>>>>>>> I hope to get more images downloaded with the help of a friend in the
>>>>>>>>> next week or so. Those images have two set of x-rays of two different
>>>>>>>>> patients with multiple osteolytic lesions on the skull that are
>>>>>>>>> treated with favorable results.
>>>>>>>>> The traffic is increasing daily. With the new programs that I'm just
>>>>>>>>> starting to use, those images could be viewed by millions of
>>>>>>>>> interested parties in the next year or two.
>>>>>>>> And then what? Who does anyone see if they decided to pursue this
>>>>>>>> treatment? Why cannot those persons produce cases that can be examined in
>>>>>>>> the necessary detail?
>>>>>>> People with cancer or in their families are more motivated than you
>>>>>>> might be. They'll find Dr. Radu Kramer's Manhattan office if that is
>>>>>>> their choice, just like they found the website.
>>>>>> If they find his office in New York, then THAT would be a miracle.
>>>>>>> Dr. Kramer runs a clinical practice, working extremely long hours.
>>>>>> How long are they? His website is silent on that. And, how would you
>>>>>> know?
>>>>> Just last week he told me he had worked until midnight the night
>>>>> before and that unfortunately it was happening more than he would
>>>>> like.
>>>> Did he tell you that from his NY office?
>>> It was in the evening, and I called him on his cell phone, so I don't
>>> know where he was at the time. He has two offices: one for the Revici
>>> work and another that pays the bills.
>> But none in NY....
>
> Wrong. I'm not sure how you get a 5 star rating for being completely
> wrong, but it does seem to be a regular occurrence around these parts.

Oh, I am not so sure of that...I find doctors in my business....

Kramer's AIM center is located at One Sears Drive, Paramus, NJ. I happen
to be familiar with this area, and this is quite upscale. Hardly that of
some poor altruistic alternative medicine practitioner.

As for a NY location...non-existent. I conducted several searches,
including phone data bases, MANTA, etc. and found nothing. The AMA lists
him in NJ. Google and Yahoo only find him in NJ. Granted that he has an
active NY license. However, there is NO indication whatsoever, that he
has a NY office.

You may recall that I previously proved that he does not have a NY
office around a year or so ago.

Do not merely disagree, post an address, phone number, etc. I can
readily check it out. e
BTW, the reason he does not accept insurance, Medicaid and Medicare is
not as you claimed. If he did, his billing would undergo scrutiny by
people who look for unorthodox treatment and that would call attention
to his activities. Furthermore, his treatments would not be covered.
Your spin was funny.


>
>>
>>
>>>>> http://snipurl.com/cancerbeforeandafter
>>>>>> As
>>>>>>> a physician you are already aware that clinical practice and research
>>>>>>> are on two different tracks.
>>>>>>> Persuading you is a trivial goal. Exposing millions on interested
>>>>>>> people to the visual evidence is far more important.
>>>>>>> Someday Kramer might put forth some additional cases. Meanwhile,
>>>>>>> anyone with decent vision can see with their own eyes the astounding
>>>>>>> results that have been achieved.
>>>>>>> Some of that evidence can be seen here:
>>>>>>> http://snipurl.com/cancerbeforeandafter-Hidequotedtext -
>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>
>
From: brightwinger on
On Aug 25, 11:23 pm, Mark Probert <markprob...(a)lumbercartel.com>
wrote:
> brightwinger wrote:
> > On Aug 24, 11:21 pm, Mark Probert <markprob...(a)lumbercartel.com>
> > wrote:
> >> brightwinger wrote:
> >>> On Aug 23, 10:28 pm, Mark Probert <markprob...(a)lumbercartel.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> brightwinger wrote:
> >>>>> On Aug 20, 7:08 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> On Aug 20, 12:46 pm, brightwinger <awthraw...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Aug 20, 3:02 am, "Peter Moran" <pmoranATinternode.on.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> "brightwinger" <awthraw...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>news:1187570092.415260.160670(a)r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>>>>>> There are new images up demonstrating more amazing results achieved by
> >>>>>>>>> Dr. Emanuel Revici.
> >>>>>>>>>http://snipurl.com/cancerbeforeandafter
> >>>>>>>>> I hope to get more images downloaded with the help of a friend in the
> >>>>>>>>> next week or so. Those images have two set of x-rays of two different
> >>>>>>>>> patients with multiple osteolytic lesions on the skull that are
> >>>>>>>>> treated with favorable results.
> >>>>>>>>> The traffic is increasing daily. With the new programs that I'm just
> >>>>>>>>> starting to use, those images could be viewed by millions of
> >>>>>>>>> interested parties in the next year or two.
> >>>>>>>> And then what? Who does anyone see if they decided to pursue this
> >>>>>>>> treatment? Why cannot those persons produce cases that can be examined in
> >>>>>>>> the necessary detail?
> >>>>>>> People with cancer or in their families are more motivated than you
> >>>>>>> might be. They'll find Dr. Radu Kramer's Manhattan office if that is
> >>>>>>> their choice, just like they found the website.
> >>>>>> If they find his office in New York, then THAT would be a miracle.
> >>>>>>> Dr. Kramer runs a clinical practice, working extremely long hours.
> >>>>>> How long are they? His website is silent on that. And, how would you
> >>>>>> know?
> >>>>> Just last week he told me he had worked until midnight the night
> >>>>> before and that unfortunately it was happening more than he would
> >>>>> like.
> >>>> Did he tell you that from his NY office?
> >>> It was in the evening, and I called him on his cell phone, so I don't
> >>> know where he was at the time. He has two offices: one for the Revici
> >>> work and another that pays the bills.
> >> But none in NY....
>
> > Wrong. I'm not sure how you get a 5 star rating for being completely
> > wrong, but it does seem to be a regular occurrence around these parts.
>
> Oh, I am not so sure of that...I find doctors in my business....
>
> Kramer's AIM center is located at One Sears Drive, Paramus, NJ. I happen
> to be familiar with this area, and this is quite upscale. Hardly that of
> some poor altruistic alternative medicine practitioner.

He keeps hours there three days a week. Most doctors work in upscale
areas. Does that shock you? He's trained in internal medicine and
nephrology, so one would expect him to make more than a disbarred
lawyer such as yourself.

> As for a NY location...non-existent. I conducted several searches,
> including phone data bases, MANTA, etc. and found nothing. The AMA lists
> him in NJ. Google and Yahoo only find him in NJ. Granted that he has an
> active NY license. However, there is NO indication whatsoever, that he
> has a NY office.

If you think I'm going to assist a disbarred lawyer in finding the NYC
office, you'd better have another thought coming.

> You may recall that I previously proved that he does not have a NY
> office around a year or so ago.

At least you're consistent: you were wrong then, and you're wrong now.

>
> Do not merely disagree, post an address, phone number, etc. I can
> readily check it out. e
> BTW, the reason he does not accept insurance, Medicaid and Medicare is
> not as you claimed. If he did, his billing would undergo scrutiny by
> people who look for unorthodox treatment and that would call attention
> to his activities. Furthermore, his treatments would not be covered.
> Your spin was funny.

They don't accept insurance. At least they didn't when Revici was
alive. Nor did they send their patients a bill. Patients paid what
they could, and the rest was forgotten.

Nor did they hide their financial records from a court when ordered to
do so like you did. The irony is too ripe...you are obsessed with
someone else's income but when you were ordered by a court to reveal
your handling of your clients funds you sang a far different tune.

http://snipurl.com/cancerbeforeandafter

> >>>>>> As
> >>>>>>> a physician you are already aware that clinical practice and research
> >>>>>>> are on two different tracks.
> >>>>>>> Persuading you is a trivial goal. Exposing millions on interested
> >>>>>>> people to the visual evidence is far more important.
> >>>>>>> Someday Kramer might put forth some additional cases. Meanwhile,
> >>>>>>> anyone with decent vision can see with their own eyes the astounding
> >>>>>>> results that have been achieved.
> >>>>>>> Some of that evidence can be seen here:
> >>>>>>>http://snipurl.com/cancerbeforeandafter-Hidequotedtext-
> >>>>>>> - Show quoted text -