From: brightwinger on
On Aug 21, 5:04 pm, "Peter Moran" <pmo...(a)internode.on.net> wrote:
> "brightwinger" <awthraw...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> news:1187665411.255692.72060(a)19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
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>
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> > On Aug 20, 4:09 pm, "Peter Moran" <pmo...(a)internode.on.net> wrote:
> >> "brightwinger" <awthraw...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >>news:1187628399.184772.160310(a)w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
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> >> > On Aug 20, 3:02 am, "Peter Moran" <pmoranATinternode.on.net> wrote:
> >> >> "brightwinger" <awthraw...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >> >>news:1187570092.415260.160670(a)r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> >> > There are new images up demonstrating more amazing results achieved
> >> >> > by
> >> >> > Dr. Emanuel Revici.
>
> >> >> >http://snipurl.com/cancerbeforeandafter
>
> >> >> > I hope to get more images downloaded with the help of a friend in
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > next week or so. Those images have two set of x-rays of two
> >> >> > different
> >> >> > patients with multiple osteolytic lesions on the skull that are
> >> >> > treated with favorable results.
>
> >> >> > The traffic is increasing daily. With the new programs that I'm just
> >> >> > starting to use, those images could be viewed by millions of
> >> >> > interested parties in the next year or two.
>
> >> >> And then what? Who does anyone see if they decided to pursue this
> >> >> treatment? Why cannot those persons produce cases that can be examined
> >> >> in
> >> >> the necessary detail?
>
> >> > People with cancer or in their families are more motivated than you
> >> > might be. They'll find Dr. Radu Kramer's Manhattan office if that is
> >> > their choice, just like they found the website.
>
> >> > Dr. Kramer runs a clinical practice, working extremely long hours. As
> >> > a physician you are already aware that clinical practice and research
> >> > are on two different tracks.
>
> >> No, that is your made-up excuse for the despicable standards of ethical
> >> and
> >> scientific practice that are apply to most cancer quackery.
>
> > I spoke with Dr. Kramer last week. He told me he had been working
> > until midnight, and that it wasn't an unusual occurence.
>
> > It is indeed a fact that researchers and clinical physicians are
> > almost always separate, in that the ones who do both are rare birds.
>
> Rubbish. We are talking specifically about clinical research (involving
> patient treatment) and just about all clinical research is carried out by
> practicing doctors. Otherwise, and obviously, researchers will not have
> access to the patients required or the capacity to evaluate them. For
> example all research on drugs is carried out by practicing doctors, as you
> could easily confirm. .
>
> I issued a direct challenge for you to find one patient who has been cured
> of cancer by the Revici method recently, and as I predicted you can't do it.
> Neither, apparently, can Kramer. I thought "OK, perhaps the Revici clinic
> will have some testimonials I can look at."
>
> This is what I found there ---
> "Dr. Kramer has worked closely with Dr. Emanuel Revici, his great uncle, a
> well- established pioneer and researcher of alternative thinking in
> medicine. Dr. Revici has developed groundbreaking, nontoxic and successful
> therapies which continue to improve the quality of life for many patients. "
>
> End quote
>
> Curious. Why no mention of cancer being cured? There is a considerable gap
> between what you are claiming and what Dr Kramer is prepared to say about
> the Revici method. It seems that he expects little more from the Revici
> method than from the various other alternative methods that his clinic
> supplies. This includes acupuncture, reflexology, "stress management" and
> other methods that work predominantly as placebo and in consequence suffer
> from considerable limitations as treatments of serious illnesses.
>
> Peter Moran
>
> www.cancerwatcher.com
>
>
>
> >> And all I personally want to see, if my interest is to be triggered, is
> >> a
> >> few contemporary, potentially verifiable patients cured of established
> >> cancer. What about even one, to start with? There are none, are
> >> they?
> >> Otherwise you would have produced them by now.
>
> > Try to get this through your head. I wrote a book about a doctor who
> > is now dead. Although I've talked to Kramer by phone 10 times or less,
> > I have never met him.
>
> > I did not even know that he had taken over the practice until maybe
> > six months ago because I don't keep up with the office, and did not
> > know that Revici had a grand nephew who was a physician.
>
> > Also you might keep this in mind, if Kramer were to release one or
> > more classic case studies, it would be to a serious researcher, not to
> > someone whose reputation is sorry like yours. You are not the path to
> > advancing the knowledge.
>
> > In other words, you might be one of the last to find out rather than
> > one of the first.
>
> > Here's why. I've shown the photos from the book to a couple of doctors
> > in recent days. They immediately SAW and UNDERSTOOD the significance
> > of what they were looking at. Those doctors don't have an axe to
> > grind. They get it.
>
> > You, on the other hand, wouldn't see it if your life depended on it.
> > So it's clear you're a crank. Probably everyone knows the type. If you
> > want to get a negative opinion on whatever idea you might have, go see
> > "uncle so-and-so." He'll kill your idea in a heartbeat. When it comes
> > to curing cancer, you're that guy.
>
> > This newsgroup attracts fellow travelers, such as Steph, etc.
>
> > You can play the game of "Oh, just show me something I can get behind
> > and I'll join your parade." It sounds high minded, but in your case
> > it's merely a pose. You're a poser, only you don't realize it, just
> > like the grumpy uncle doesn't realize what a stick-in-the-mud he is.
>
> > I have experience from the other doctors...and the many doctors who
> > supported Dr. Revici when he was alive...to know this to be
> > true...your diametric take on the same evidence proves it in spades.
>
> > Meanwhile, as another thousand visits today demonstrate, it's only a
> > matter of time when your irrelevancy will be amply demonstrated:
> >http://snipurl.com/cancerbeforeandafter
>
> >> > Persuading you is a trivial goal. Exposing millions on interested
> >> > people to the visual evidence is far more important.
>
> >> > Someday Kramer might put forth some additional cases. Meanwhile,
> >> > anyone with decent vision can see with their own eyes the astounding
> >> > results that have been achieved.
>
> >> > Some of that evidence can be seen here:
>
> >> >http://snipurl.com/cancerbeforeandafter

Just like the cranky character I described previously would do, you
completely ignored anything that would disturb your world view.

What I'm referring to are the doctors who have seen the same images
and they get it JUST FROM THOSE IMAGES! But you don't. Most patients,
too, would be satisfied with their bones returning to normal, but in
your easy chair, that's not enough for you.

So what does this mean? With the same evidence presented, you've
demonstrated an unwillingness to or inability to grasp the
significance of what you're looking at. I wouldn't waste another
second of my time trying to satisfy you, because you're incapable,
just like "Uncle Crank."

Although I can't be sure, this is what my guess is as to what happened
to you.
You were in a class that discussed double-blind research or something
of that nature, and it had an "Imprinting" effect on you...just like
baby ducks imprint on their mother or the first thing they see that
moves.

In the hierarchy of your belief system, that imprint cannot be budged
out of your memory bank. Unfortunately for you, you imprinted on a
tricky fox, and you've been tricked ever since.

So while others can take in the information in the images to form new
opinions, you just can't.

Meanwhile another thousand visits to my website today means that more
and more people unlike yourself are taking in the new information and
forming new opinions. http://snipurl.com/cancerbeforeandafter

I've told you several times I don't keep regular contact with the
clinic. But you want me to produce evidence from "this century" when
Revici cured his patients last century. Last century's cures aren't
good enough for you. LOL!

As for Dr. Kramer, he's quite busy, but hopefully in due time he'll
put forth some new cases...only not to you. I frankly don't know how
long he's been using the Revici Method.


From: Mark Probert on
brightwinger wrote:
> On Aug 20, 7:08 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 20, 12:46 pm, brightwinger <awthraw...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 20, 3:02 am, "Peter Moran" <pmoranATinternode.on.net> wrote:
>>>> "brightwinger" <awthraw...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1187570092.415260.160670(a)r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> There are new images up demonstrating more amazing results achieved by
>>>>> Dr. Emanuel Revici.
>>>>> http://snipurl.com/cancerbeforeandafter
>>>>> I hope to get more images downloaded with the help of a friend in the
>>>>> next week or so. Those images have two set of x-rays of two different
>>>>> patients with multiple osteolytic lesions on the skull that are
>>>>> treated with favorable results.
>>>>> The traffic is increasing daily. With the new programs that I'm just
>>>>> starting to use, those images could be viewed by millions of
>>>>> interested parties in the next year or two.
>>>> And then what? Who does anyone see if they decided to pursue this
>>>> treatment? Why cannot those persons produce cases that can be examined in
>>>> the necessary detail?
>>> People with cancer or in their families are more motivated than you
>>> might be. They'll find Dr. Radu Kramer's Manhattan office if that is
>>> their choice, just like they found the website.
>> If they find his office in New York, then THAT would be a miracle.
>
>>> Dr. Kramer runs a clinical practice, working extremely long hours.
>> How long are they? His website is silent on that. And, how would you
>> know?
>
> Just last week he told me he had worked until midnight the night
> before and that unfortunately it was happening more than he would
> like.

Did he tell you that from his NY office?

>
> http://snipurl.com/cancerbeforeandafter
>> As
>>
>>> a physician you are already aware that clinical practice and research
>>> are on two different tracks.
>>> Persuading you is a trivial goal. Exposing millions on interested
>>> people to the visual evidence is far more important.
>>> Someday Kramer might put forth some additional cases. Meanwhile,
>>> anyone with decent vision can see with their own eyes the astounding
>>> results that have been achieved.
>>> Some of that evidence can be seen here:
>>> http://snipurl.com/cancerbeforeandafter-Hide quoted text -
>>> - Show quoted text -
>
>
From: brightwinger on
On Aug 23, 10:28 pm, Mark Probert <markprob...(a)lumbercartel.com>
wrote:
> brightwinger wrote:
> > On Aug 20, 7:08 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Aug 20, 12:46 pm, brightwinger <awthraw...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>> On Aug 20, 3:02 am, "Peter Moran" <pmoranATinternode.on.net> wrote:
> >>>> "brightwinger" <awthraw...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>>>news:1187570092.415260.160670(a)r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>> There are new images up demonstrating more amazing results achieved by
> >>>>> Dr. Emanuel Revici.
> >>>>>http://snipurl.com/cancerbeforeandafter
> >>>>> I hope to get more images downloaded with the help of a friend in the
> >>>>> next week or so. Those images have two set of x-rays of two different
> >>>>> patients with multiple osteolytic lesions on the skull that are
> >>>>> treated with favorable results.
> >>>>> The traffic is increasing daily. With the new programs that I'm just
> >>>>> starting to use, those images could be viewed by millions of
> >>>>> interested parties in the next year or two.
> >>>> And then what? Who does anyone see if they decided to pursue this
> >>>> treatment? Why cannot those persons produce cases that can be examined in
> >>>> the necessary detail?
> >>> People with cancer or in their families are more motivated than you
> >>> might be. They'll find Dr. Radu Kramer's Manhattan office if that is
> >>> their choice, just like they found the website.
> >> If they find his office in New York, then THAT would be a miracle.
>
> >>> Dr. Kramer runs a clinical practice, working extremely long hours.
> >> How long are they? His website is silent on that. And, how would you
> >> know?
>
> > Just last week he told me he had worked until midnight the night
> > before and that unfortunately it was happening more than he would
> > like.
>
> Did he tell you that from his NY office?

It was in the evening, and I called him on his cell phone, so I don't
know where he was at the time. He has two offices: one for the Revici
work and another that pays the bills.

> >http://snipurl.com/cancerbeforeandafter
> >> As
>
> >>> a physician you are already aware that clinical practice and research
> >>> are on two different tracks.
> >>> Persuading you is a trivial goal. Exposing millions on interested
> >>> people to the visual evidence is far more important.
> >>> Someday Kramer might put forth some additional cases. Meanwhile,
> >>> anyone with decent vision can see with their own eyes the astounding
> >>> results that have been achieved.
> >>> Some of that evidence can be seen here:
> >>>http://snipurl.com/cancerbeforeandafter-Hidequoted text -
> >>> - Show quoted text -


From: Mark Probert on
brightwinger wrote:
> On Aug 23, 10:28 pm, Mark Probert <markprob...(a)lumbercartel.com>
> wrote:
>> brightwinger wrote:
>>> On Aug 20, 7:08 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Aug 20, 12:46 pm, brightwinger <awthraw...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Aug 20, 3:02 am, "Peter Moran" <pmoranATinternode.on.net> wrote:
>>>>>> "brightwinger" <awthraw...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:1187570092.415260.160670(a)r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>> There are new images up demonstrating more amazing results achieved by
>>>>>>> Dr. Emanuel Revici.
>>>>>>> http://snipurl.com/cancerbeforeandafter
>>>>>>> I hope to get more images downloaded with the help of a friend in the
>>>>>>> next week or so. Those images have two set of x-rays of two different
>>>>>>> patients with multiple osteolytic lesions on the skull that are
>>>>>>> treated with favorable results.
>>>>>>> The traffic is increasing daily. With the new programs that I'm just
>>>>>>> starting to use, those images could be viewed by millions of
>>>>>>> interested parties in the next year or two.
>>>>>> And then what? Who does anyone see if they decided to pursue this
>>>>>> treatment? Why cannot those persons produce cases that can be examined in
>>>>>> the necessary detail?
>>>>> People with cancer or in their families are more motivated than you
>>>>> might be. They'll find Dr. Radu Kramer's Manhattan office if that is
>>>>> their choice, just like they found the website.
>>>> If they find his office in New York, then THAT would be a miracle.
>>>>> Dr. Kramer runs a clinical practice, working extremely long hours.
>>>> How long are they? His website is silent on that. And, how would you
>>>> know?
>>> Just last week he told me he had worked until midnight the night
>>> before and that unfortunately it was happening more than he would
>>> like.
>> Did he tell you that from his NY office?
>
> It was in the evening, and I called him on his cell phone, so I don't
> know where he was at the time. He has two offices: one for the Revici
> work and another that pays the bills.

But none in NY....

>
>>> http://snipurl.com/cancerbeforeandafter
>>>> As
>>>>> a physician you are already aware that clinical practice and research
>>>>> are on two different tracks.
>>>>> Persuading you is a trivial goal. Exposing millions on interested
>>>>> people to the visual evidence is far more important.
>>>>> Someday Kramer might put forth some additional cases. Meanwhile,
>>>>> anyone with decent vision can see with their own eyes the astounding
>>>>> results that have been achieved.
>>>>> Some of that evidence can be seen here:
>>>>> http://snipurl.com/cancerbeforeandafter-Hidequoted text -
>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>
>
From: Mark Probert on
brightwinger wrote:
> On Aug 23, 10:28 pm, Mark Probert <markprob...(a)lumbercartel.com>
> wrote:
>> brightwinger wrote:
>>> On Aug 20, 7:08 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Aug 20, 12:46 pm, brightwinger <awthraw...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Aug 20, 3:02 am, "Peter Moran" <pmoranATinternode.on.net> wrote:
>>>>>> "brightwinger" <awthraw...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:1187570092.415260.160670(a)r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>> There are new images up demonstrating more amazing results achieved by
>>>>>>> Dr. Emanuel Revici.
>>>>>>> http://snipurl.com/cancerbeforeandafter
>>>>>>> I hope to get more images downloaded with the help of a friend in the
>>>>>>> next week or so. Those images have two set of x-rays of two different
>>>>>>> patients with multiple osteolytic lesions on the skull that are
>>>>>>> treated with favorable results.
>>>>>>> The traffic is increasing daily. With the new programs that I'm just
>>>>>>> starting to use, those images could be viewed by millions of
>>>>>>> interested parties in the next year or two.
>>>>>> And then what? Who does anyone see if they decided to pursue this
>>>>>> treatment? Why cannot those persons produce cases that can be examined in
>>>>>> the necessary detail?
>>>>> People with cancer or in their families are more motivated than you
>>>>> might be. They'll find Dr. Radu Kramer's Manhattan office if that is
>>>>> their choice, just like they found the website.
>>>> If they find his office in New York, then THAT would be a miracle.
>>>>> Dr. Kramer runs a clinical practice, working extremely long hours.
>>>> How long are they? His website is silent on that. And, how would you
>>>> know?
>>> Just last week he told me he had worked until midnight the night
>>> before and that unfortunately it was happening more than he would
>>> like.
>> Did he tell you that from his NY office?
>
> It was in the evening, and I called him on his cell phone, so I don't
> know where he was at the time. He has two offices: one for the Revici
> work and another that pays the bills.

If he does have a NY office, then he does not accept Medicare, Medicaid,
Child Health Plus, etc....sounds like a money grubber to me.

>
>>> http://snipurl.com/cancerbeforeandafter
>>>> As
>>>>> a physician you are already aware that clinical practice and research
>>>>> are on two different tracks.
>>>>> Persuading you is a trivial goal. Exposing millions on interested
>>>>> people to the visual evidence is far more important.
>>>>> Someday Kramer might put forth some additional cases. Meanwhile,
>>>>> anyone with decent vision can see with their own eyes the astounding
>>>>> results that have been achieved.
>>>>> Some of that evidence can be seen here:
>>>>> http://snipurl.com/cancerbeforeandafter-Hidequoted text -
>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>
>