From: Jan Drew on
On Nov 1, 3:42�pm, Peter Bowditch <myfirstn...(a)> wrote:
> Martin <n...(a)> wrote:
> >On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:32:25 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew
> ><jdrew63...(a)> wrote:
> >>Martin Rady posts nothing but misinformation, insluts, and lies.
> >I didn't know Martin Rady posts here.
> I Jan's mind there is only one Martin, just as for a while Cathy and
> Rosalind were the same person because only one woman in Australia had
> ever had children.

Do prove that. With my very own words.
Martin Rady posts here.

Rosalind Dalefield was indeed CathyB.

She posts on the Barrett quack list.

Message: 1
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 15:16:30 -0400
From: "rosalind" <rosalind(a)>
Subject: Re: [healthfraud] Turning Babies Who Turn in the Womb on
Their Own
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My late father, who was a professor of OBGYN in Auckland , NZ, was
firmly of the opinion that babies lie in the womb in the way that they
most comfortable. He would use as an example an extended family of
acrobats in which almost all the women had posterior presentations,
required forceps or Caesarian deliveries, because of their extremely
muscle-bound abdominal walls. He also pointed out that babies that
neither breech or normal head-down position, but remain in transverse
lie (a
very difficult position to deliver) are often the babies of women who
had many babies and therefore have relatively stretched muscles of
both the
uterus and the abdominal wall.

He opined that if and when breech babies turn over, it is because the
uterine shape persuades them to do so, as the uterus itself changes
shape in late pregnancy, making the head-down position more
comfortable. It
has been the observation of the various general practitioners, OBGYNs,
neonatologists in my extended family that babies that prefer to remain
the breech position often have particularly long legs. Is a C-section
so bad
if yur baby becomes a supermodel some day?! He also said that trying
make the baby turn was often futile because they often turn back.
you turn back to the most comfortable position?

My own track record of two posterior presentations and two persistent
transverse cephalics was attributed by the head of O&G in Wellington,
NZ, to
an android pelvis. That professor of OBGYN concurred with my father
view that babies adopt the position that is most comfortable, no
matter how
unfortunate it may be with regard to delivery (how is the baby to
His attribution of my problems to an android pelvis dovetails with
experience of a colleague of my father's who had worked in Africa and
of a rather inbred tribe in which all the women were quite android in
general and pelvic proportions and had an extraordinarily high rate
posterior presentations, leading to high mortality of first babies
primiparous women. The tribe survived because those women who
their first childbirth did better on subsequent deliveries, when the
tends to do a better job of rotating the baby during labor, and had
lots of
babies to make up for all the women who died on their first attempt.

Interestingly, within a relatively short distance (for Africa) he
encountered another inbred tribe in which the women all tended to
"perfect gynecoid" pelvices and were of the "feel a few twinges,
behind a bush and out pops the baby" school of delivery. Such women
exist; I know one grande multigravida who has had 9 children and has
felt a labor pain! Tribalism is so strong in parts of Africa that the
tallest race in the world live not far from the shortest race in the
and there are tribes with polydactyly and similar birth defects due

For myself, I am one of a large number of equestriennes who required
or C-section deliveries and wonder if horse-riding affects either the
or abdominal muscles in some way? I remember that the anthropologist
wrote "Dead Men Do Tell Tales" and who identified bones of the last
wrote that the Tsar's pelvis showed evidence of the Tsar's enthusiasm
riding. Unfortunately that anthropologist is dead so I can't ask him
he meant. Any anthropologists out there?

> --
> Peter Bowditch