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From: Jan Drew on 1 Aug 2008 17:38 "markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com" <mark.probert(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:c9774dc0-47b7-450d-bc41-755554175588(a)e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... On Jul 29, 5:58 pm, "vernono" <vern...(a)there.com> wrote: > "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:c188da29-a09a-4c75-94c4-84cdf38fbc4f(a)p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 29, 9:11 am, "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." > > <scie...(a)zzz.com> wrote: > > Well stated, and it is supported by facts! > > "Facts" is not a synonym for *idle conjecture*, but, you are too > stupid to know that. > > Is that a fact or idle conjecture? Fact. I looked it up. LOL!! And of course, Mark S Probert, Merrick, NY- would not lie. Like this.................. Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant From: aloysio...(a)aol.com (AloysiousX) Date: 07 Jan 2004 18:59:31 GMT Local: Wed, Jan 7 2004 2:59 pm Subject: Re: A New Year's Resolution I have no children, Sistah Jan. As Salaam Aleikum, my Sistah! AloysiousX Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant From: aloysio...(a)aol.com (AloysiousX) Date: 06 Jan 2004 22:31:39 GMT Local: Tues, Jan 6 2004 6:31 pm Subject: Re: A New Year's Resolution You know something, Sistah Ilena, I'm not Mark Probert, but it's pretty clear who the coward is. Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant From: aloysio...(a)aol.com (AloysiousX) Date: 07 Jan 2004 18:57:50 GMT Local: Wed, Jan 7 2004 2:57 pm Subject: Re: A New Year's Resolution Sistah Jan, I'd never heard of you until you made your post in the breast implant group, much in the same way I'd never heard of Mark Probert until Sistah Ilena mentioned him. path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.lev��el3.com!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!ngpeer.n�e�ws.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 107 X-Admin: n...(a)aol.com From: aloysio...(a)aol.com (AloysiousX) Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant Date: 06 Jan 2004 17:54:38 GMT References: <19faaec.0401060908.68a7...(a)posting.google.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: A New Year's Resolution Message-ID: 20040106125438.01826.00002...(a)mb-m18.aol.com > Subj: Is There Some Reason...> Date: 2/12/2004 2:18:07 PM Pacific Standard > Time> From: AloysiousX> To: JDrew63929>>> Is there some reason why you > won't let me ask you a few questions, Jan? > I'm> really curious about > your involvement with Ilena Rosenthal.>>> But I guess my most basic > question is whether or not you are in California> (like I am), or over in > Indiana, like your profile says.>>> I had thought you were out west, but I > guess not.>>> As Salaam Aleikum!>>> Aloysious> > Mark Probert markprobert1...(a)hotmail.com AloysiousX Or this................... http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/f06b48baa0e38b71 From: "M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t-July 23, 2004" <M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t 07-23...(a)lymbercartel.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:35:11 GMT Local: Fri, Jul 23 2004 10:35 am Subject: Re: Asbestos Deaths Up The simple fact is that there is no cover-up regarding asbestos. In the 1980's, under AHERA, schools nationwide removed tons of it. Construction companies were forced to perform abatement before renovations or demolition. There is no doubt that there are very sick people with asbestosis and mesothelioma who were exposed to asbestos. I meet several of them every month and can usually find some documentation of their possible exposure so they can recevie WC benefits. Backj in the 1950's and 1960's, there was no idea that asbestos exposure could be so dangerous. During WWII boat builders at the Navy Yards were routinely exposed to it, brought the dust home, and exposed their families. No one knew. When I was in elementary school, I received a kit from a group in Canada, where asbestos was mined, called "Asbestos-The Magic Mineral." I brought it to school for a science project. No one knew. Once the dangers became known, precautions were put in place, and, eventually, abatement was begun. There is far less asbestos in our environment to day, and HULDA CLARK HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT! Anyone claiming that there was a cover-up is an liar. http://www.asbestosnews.com/news/asbestos-exposure.html Asbestos Exposure News "Asbestos cover-up" July 16, 2004 According to an Environmental Protection Agency memo, after the World Trade Center collapse, city and federal officials concealed data showing lower Manhattan air had more than double the level of asbestos considered safe for humans. Despite this, the public was told it was safe to return downtown. City tests were so overloaded September 13 with asbestos in the air that the lab could not conclude asbestos levels. The city never released the asbestos information to the public, and information on it's Website had 17 instances of understated or blank data. For more information on asbestos exposure, please contact us. More Asbestos Law News.... ============= http://xtramsn.co.nz/business/0,,5008-4090727,00.html Execs Charged Over Asbestos Cover-Up 08/02/2005 04:50 PM - Reuters - James Vicini WR Grace & Co and seven current or former executives were charged on Monday with conspiring to endanger residents in Libby, Montana, and concealing the health risks from asbestos-contaminated vermiculite, the US Justice Department said. According to the indictment returned by a federal grand jury in Montana, Grace spread the asbestos throughout the community to such locations as commercial buildings and schools, including an outdoor ice skating rink, school running tracks and baseball fields. The 10-count indictment charges the defendants with conspiracy, clean-air violations, wire fraud and obstruction of justice involving asbestos-related diseases linked to its former vermiculite mining and processing operations. Grace, named in all 10 counts, could face fines of hundreds of millions of dollars, a Justice Department official said. Under the law, a company can be fined for up to twice the gain for activities associated with its criminal conduct, the official said. The indictment said Grace reaped more than US$140 million in profits from asbestos-contaminated vermiculite. Grace said in a statement that it "categorically denies any criminal wrongdoing," and that it was supporting the long-term health care of the citizens of Libby. A specialty chemicals company currently in bankruptcy proceedings, Grace operated the vermiculite mine from 1963 to 1990, and it continued processing operations until 1992. The vermiculite, with uses that included insulation, was contaminated with a form of asbestos known as tremolite. According to the indictment, the conspiracy began in 1976 and continued until 2002. The conspirators knowingly released asbestos into the air, placing at risk families of Grace employees and area residents. "It was a purpose of the conspiracy to increase profits and avoid liability by misleading the government and preventing the government from using its authorities to protect against risks to human health and the environment," the indictment said. About 1,200 Libby residents so far have been identified as having asbestos-related lung abnormalities as a result of being exposed to the asbestos from the mine, the 49-page indictment stated. Libby's population totals about 8,000 people. The indictment said 70 percent of those with the abnormalities did not work in the mine. The indictment said Libby's death rate from asbestosis, a scarring of the lungs, is 40 to 80 times higher than expected when compared to rates for Montana and the United States. It said the lung cancer rate is about 30 percent higher for the town compared with rates in the state and the United States. Named in the indictment were Alan Stringer, a manager at the Libby Mine; Henry Eschenbach, a health and safety expert at WR Grace's Industrial Chemicals Group (ICG); and Jack Wolter a vice-president of WR Grace's Construction Products Division (CPD). Also named were William McCaig a maintenance superintendent and operations manager at the mine; Robert Bettacchi, a president of the CPD unit; Mario Favorito, legal counsel to WR Grace's ICG unit and Robert Walsh, with positions that included executive vice president of Grace Specialty Chemicals. Eschenbach declined to comment. Efforts to reach the other defendants were not immediately successful. Grace and 61 of its US subsidiaries and affiliates, filed for bankruptcy in April, 2001, under the weight of asbestos lawsuits. Members of the US Senate are working on a trust fund to compensate asbestos victims and end injury lawsuits. http://www.kaimin.org/viewarticle.php?id=3934 Mining company guilty of asbestos cover-up in Libby Tristan Scott Montana Kaimin Top employees of W.R. Grace & Co. knew its Montana mine was releasing dangerous cancer-causing asbestos into the air and even conspired to hide the known hazards from workers and area residents, according to a federal grand jury indictment released Monday. The now-closed vermiculite mine in Libby, a small northwest Montana town where Grace operated for nearly 30 years, has been tied to nearly 200 deaths and infecting many more people with the lung disease asbestosis. Montana U.S. Attorney Bill Mercer announced the indictment Monday at the Missoula County courthouse. Seven of the company's previous and existing employees were indicted on 10 counts for conspiracy, violating the federal Clean Air Act, wire fraud and obstructing justice. The decision is being hailed by environmentalists as one of the most important environmental indictments in history. Grace and its employees are charged with releasing tremolite asbestos - a carcinogen found in vermiculite ore - into the air and hindering federal investigations, including a 1999 inspection conducted by the Environmental Protection Agency, which former manager Alan Stringer tried to inhibit by giving false and misleading information he knew was inaccurate. According to the 49-page indictment, Grace knew of employee health problems as early as 1976, and was privy to studies and reports on the dangers of asbestos vermiculite. Exposure to asbestos can lead to lung cancer and asbestosis - a disease that causes scarring of the lung. Knowing the dangers of its product, company officials supplied vermiculite to a junior high school for use on its running track and lied about it during the EPA's investigation, according to the indictment. The document also cites instances in which the company lied about having provided vermiculite insulation to locals for their homes, as well as for use at a nearby ice rink. The EPA has since declared the mine a Superfund site, and has spent more than $55 million on cleanup. A dispute over a federal judge's 2003 ruling that Grace must repay the EPA for that amount is ongoing. The company was not available for comment Monday. Stringer faces up to 70 years in prison, while Jack Wolter, a former executive, and Robert Bettacchi, a senior vice president, each face maximum prison terms of 55 years. The company could face a fine of up to $280 million, twice the amount of mining profits earned during its years of operation. News of asbestos contamination in Libby first surfaced in 1999 after national reports linked the mine's pollution to the deaths and illnesses of nearby residents. Grace filed for bankruptcy in 2001 after the company was bombarded with asbestos-related lawsuits. Vermiculite from the Libby mine was frequently used as attic insulation and as an ingredient in fireproofing products, potting soils and fertilizers. While many former employees have developed asbestosis as a result of their direct exposure to the mine, their family members also suffer, since the tiny asbestos fibers were brought home on workers' clothing. http://landofpuregold.com/truth202.htm 9/11 Memo Reveals Asbestos 'Cover-Up' By Sam Smith, July 16, 2004 An Environmental Protection Agency memo claims city and federal officials concealed data that showed lower Manhattan air was clouded with asbestos after the World Trade Center collapse. And officials sat on the alarming information even as they told the public it was safe to return downtown, the internal memo says. Testing by the city Department of Environmental Protection showed the air downtown had more than double the level of asbestos considered safe for humans, claimed federal EPA environmental scientist Cate Jenkins, who supplied the memo to The Post. The data, which Jenkins says she culled from state records, appear damning. On the day after the attack, the memo claims, city test results from the corner of Centre and Chambers streets and from the corner of Spruce and Gold streets showed asbestos concentration at about twice the level considered safe by the EPA. The city did not release this information to the public, Jenkins says. The next day, Sept. 13, city tests were "overloaded" with asbestos in the air � so much that the lab could not conclude precise amounts � along Church Street. Again, the information was withheld, the memo claims. When the city published the test results for the weeks following 9/11 on its Web site in February 2002, there were 17 instances where the data was either understated or left blank, Jenkins asserts in her report. "New York City could wiggle out of the [claim of] concealment, because they weren't making any explicit statements about data at the time," Jenkins told The Post. "But the EPA can't wiggle out of this. They said the air was safe at the same time they were coordinating data with the city." To drive her point home, Jenkins compares statements made by the EPA on the same day test data was showing dangerous levels of asbestos. On Sept. 18, then-EPA administrator Christie Whitman said the public in lower Manhattan was not being exposed to "excessive levels of asbestos." That same day, city testing data, some of which was later made public, showed asbestos levels 50 percent higher and more above what her agency considers safe, the memo states. http://www.google.com Web Results 1 - 10 of about 28,600 for asbestos cover-up. (0.11 seconds)
From: vernono on 1 Aug 2008 20:15 "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:3nLkk.16828$uE5.6351(a)flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com... > > "markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com" <mark.probert(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:c9774dc0-47b7-450d-bc41-755554175588(a)e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 29, 5:58 pm, "vernono" <vern...(a)there.com> wrote: >> "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> >> news:c188da29-a09a-4c75-94c4-84cdf38fbc4f(a)p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... >> On Jul 29, 9:11 am, "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." >> >> <scie...(a)zzz.com> wrote: >> > Well stated, and it is supported by facts! >> >> "Facts" is not a synonym for *idle conjecture*, but, you are too >> stupid to know that. >> >> Is that a fact or idle conjecture? > > Fact. I looked it up. > > LOL!! And of course, Mark S Probert, Merrick, NY- would not lie. > > Like this.................. > Why the diatribe? We have enough facts and fake facts.
From: Jan Drew on 1 Aug 2008 21:08 "vernono" <vernono(a)there.com> wrote in message news:HGNkk.23$P44.16(a)fe103.usenetserver.com... > > "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > news:3nLkk.16828$uE5.6351(a)flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com... >> >> "markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com" <mark.probert(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:c9774dc0-47b7-450d-bc41-755554175588(a)e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... >> On Jul 29, 5:58 pm, "vernono" <vern...(a)there.com> wrote: >>> "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>> >>> news:c188da29-a09a-4c75-94c4-84cdf38fbc4f(a)p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... >>> On Jul 29, 9:11 am, "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." >>> >>> <scie...(a)zzz.com> wrote: >>> > Well stated, and it is supported by facts! >>> >>> "Facts" is not a synonym for *idle conjecture*, but, you are too >>> stupid to know that. >>> >>> Is that a fact or idle conjecture? >> >> Fact. I looked it up. >> >> LOL!! And of course, Mark S Probert, Merrick, NY- would not lie. >> >> Like this.................. >> > > > Why the diatribe? Just the FACTS and LIES. That's why. > > We have enough facts and fake facts. Who is *we*? "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:3nLkk.16828$uE5.6351(a)flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com... > > "markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com" <mark.probert(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:c9774dc0-47b7-450d-bc41-755554175588(a)e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 29, 5:58 pm, "vernono" <vern...(a)there.com> wrote: >> "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> >> news:c188da29-a09a-4c75-94c4-84cdf38fbc4f(a)p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... >> On Jul 29, 9:11 am, "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." >> >> <scie...(a)zzz.com> wrote: >> > Well stated, and it is supported by facts! >> >> "Facts" is not a synonym for *idle conjecture*, but, you are too >> stupid to know that. >> >> Is that a fact or idle conjecture? > > Fact. I looked it up. > > LOL!! And of course, Mark S Probert, Merrick, NY- would not lie. > > Like this.................. > > Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant > From: aloysio...(a)aol.com (AloysiousX) > Date: 07 Jan 2004 18:59:31 GMT > Local: Wed, Jan 7 2004 2:59 pm > Subject: Re: A New Year's Resolution > > I have no children, Sistah Jan. > > As Salaam Aleikum, my Sistah! > > AloysiousX > Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant > From: aloysio...(a)aol.com (AloysiousX) > Date: 06 Jan 2004 22:31:39 GMT > Local: Tues, Jan 6 2004 6:31 pm > Subject: Re: A New Year's Resolution > > You know something, Sistah Ilena, I'm not Mark Probert, but it's pretty > clear > who the coward is. > > Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant > From: aloysio...(a)aol.com (AloysiousX) > Date: 07 Jan 2004 18:57:50 GMT > Local: Wed, Jan 7 2004 2:57 pm > Subject: Re: A New Year's Resolution > > Sistah Jan, I'd never heard of you until you made your post in the breast > implant group, much in the same way I'd never heard of Mark Probert until > Sistah Ilena mentioned him. > > > path: > archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.lev��el3.com!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!ngpeer.n�e�ws.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail > Lines: 107 > X-Admin: n...(a)aol.com > From: aloysio...(a)aol.com (AloysiousX) > Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant > Date: 06 Jan 2004 17:54:38 GMT > References: <19faaec.0401060908.68a7...(a)posting.google.com> > Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com > Subject: Re: A New Year's Resolution > Message-ID: 20040106125438.01826.00002...(a)mb-m18.aol.com > >> Subj: Is There Some Reason...> Date: 2/12/2004 2:18:07 PM Pacific >> Standard >> Time> From: AloysiousX> To: JDrew63929>>> Is there some reason why you >> won't let me ask you a few questions, Jan? > I'm> really curious about >> your involvement with Ilena Rosenthal.>>> But I guess my most basic >> question is whether or not you are in California> (like I am), or over in >> Indiana, like your profile says.>>> I had thought you were out west, but >> I >> guess not.>>> As Salaam Aleikum!>>> Aloysious> >> Mark Probert markprobert1...(a)hotmail.com AloysiousX > > Or this................... > > http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/f06b48baa0e38b71 > > From: "M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t-July 23, 2004" <M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t > 07-23...(a)lymbercartel.com> > Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:35:11 GMT > Local: Fri, Jul 23 2004 10:35 am > Subject: Re: Asbestos Deaths Up > > > > The simple fact is that there is no cover-up regarding asbestos. In the > 1980's, under AHERA, schools nationwide removed tons of it. Construction > companies were forced to perform abatement before renovations or > demolition. > There is no doubt that there are very sick people with asbestosis and > mesothelioma who were exposed to asbestos. I meet several of them every > month and can usually find some documentation of their possible exposure > so > they can recevie WC benefits. > > Backj in the 1950's and 1960's, there was no idea that asbestos exposure > could be so dangerous. During WWII boat builders at the Navy Yards were > routinely exposed to it, brought the dust home, and exposed their > families. > No one knew. > > When I was in elementary school, I received a kit from a group in Canada, > where asbestos was mined, called "Asbestos-The Magic Mineral." I brought > it > to school for a science project. No one knew. > > Once the dangers became known, precautions were put in place, and, > eventually, abatement was begun. There is far less asbestos in our > environment to day, and HULDA CLARK HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT! > > Anyone claiming that there was a cover-up is an liar. > > > http://www.asbestosnews.com/news/asbestos-exposure.html > > Asbestos Exposure News > "Asbestos cover-up" > July 16, 2004 > According to an Environmental Protection Agency memo, after the World > Trade Center collapse, city and federal officials concealed data showing > lower Manhattan air had more than double the level of asbestos considered > safe for humans. Despite this, the public was told it was safe to return > downtown. City tests were so overloaded September 13 with asbestos in the > air that the lab could not conclude asbestos levels. The city never > released the asbestos information to the public, and information on it's > Website had 17 instances of understated or blank data. > For more information on asbestos exposure, please contact us. > More Asbestos Law News.... > ============= > http://xtramsn.co.nz/business/0,,5008-4090727,00.html > Execs Charged Over Asbestos Cover-Up > 08/02/2005 04:50 PM - Reuters - James Vicini > > WR Grace & Co and seven current or former executives were charged on > Monday with conspiring to endanger residents in Libby, Montana, and > concealing the health risks from asbestos-contaminated vermiculite, the US > Justice Department said. > > According to the indictment returned by a federal grand jury in Montana, > Grace spread the asbestos throughout the community to such locations as > commercial buildings and schools, including an outdoor ice skating rink, > school running tracks and baseball fields. > > The 10-count indictment charges the defendants with conspiracy, clean-air > violations, wire fraud and obstruction of justice involving > asbestos-related diseases linked to its former vermiculite mining and > processing operations. > > Grace, named in all 10 counts, could face fines of hundreds of millions of > dollars, a Justice Department official said. > > Under the law, a company can be fined for up to twice the gain for > activities associated with its criminal conduct, the official said. The > indictment said Grace reaped more than US$140 million in profits from > asbestos-contaminated vermiculite. > > Grace said in a statement that it "categorically denies any criminal > wrongdoing," and that it was supporting the long-term health care of the > citizens of Libby. > > A specialty chemicals company currently in bankruptcy proceedings, Grace > operated the vermiculite mine from 1963 to 1990, and it continued > processing operations until 1992. > > The vermiculite, with uses that included insulation, was contaminated with > a form of asbestos known as tremolite. > > According to the indictment, the conspiracy began in 1976 and continued > until 2002. The conspirators knowingly released asbestos into the air, > placing at risk families of Grace employees and area residents. > > "It was a purpose of the conspiracy to increase profits and avoid > liability by misleading the government and preventing the government from > using its authorities to protect against risks to human health and the > environment," the indictment said. > > About 1,200 Libby residents so far have been identified as having > asbestos-related lung abnormalities as a result of being exposed to the > asbestos from the mine, the 49-page indictment stated. > > Libby's population totals about 8,000 people. The indictment said 70 > percent of those with the abnormalities did not work in the mine. > > The indictment said Libby's death rate from asbestosis, a scarring of the > lungs, is 40 to 80 times higher than expected when compared to rates for > Montana and the United States. > > It said the lung cancer rate is about 30 percent higher for the town > compared with rates in the state and the United States. > > Named in the indictment were Alan Stringer, a manager at the Libby Mine; > Henry Eschenbach, a health and safety expert at WR Grace's Industrial > Chemicals Group (ICG); and Jack Wolter a vice-president of WR Grace's > Construction Products Division (CPD). > > Also named were William McCaig a maintenance superintendent and operations > manager at the mine; Robert Bettacchi, a president of the CPD unit; Mario > Favorito, legal counsel to WR Grace's ICG unit and Robert Walsh, with > positions that included executive vice president of Grace Specialty > Chemicals. > > Eschenbach declined to comment. Efforts to reach the other defendants were > not immediately successful. > > Grace and 61 of its US subsidiaries and affiliates, filed for bankruptcy > in April, 2001, under the weight of asbestos lawsuits. Members of the US > Senate are working on a trust fund to compensate asbestos victims and end > injury lawsuits. > > > > > http://www.kaimin.org/viewarticle.php?id=3934 > Mining company guilty of asbestos cover-up in Libby > Tristan Scott > Montana Kaimin > Top employees of W.R. Grace & Co. knew its Montana mine was releasing > dangerous cancer-causing asbestos into the air and even conspired to hide > the known hazards from workers and area residents, according to a federal > grand jury indictment released Monday. > The now-closed vermiculite mine in Libby, a small northwest Montana town > where Grace operated for nearly 30 years, has been tied to nearly 200 > deaths and infecting many more people with the lung disease asbestosis. > Montana U.S. Attorney Bill Mercer announced the indictment Monday at the > Missoula County courthouse. > Seven of the company's previous and existing employees were indicted on 10 > counts for conspiracy, violating the federal Clean Air Act, wire fraud and > obstructing justice. > The decision is being hailed by environmentalists as one of the most > important environmental indictments in history. > Grace and its employees are charged with releasing tremolite asbestos - a > carcinogen found in vermiculite ore - into the air and hindering federal > investigations, including a 1999 inspection conducted by the Environmental > Protection Agency, which former manager Alan Stringer tried to inhibit by > giving false and misleading information he knew was inaccurate. > According to the 49-page indictment, Grace knew of employee health > problems as early as 1976, and was privy to studies and reports on the > dangers of asbestos vermiculite. > Exposure to asbestos can lead to lung cancer and asbestosis - a disease > that causes scarring of the lung. > Knowing the dangers of its product, company officials supplied vermiculite > to a junior high school for use on its running track and lied about it > during the EPA's investigation, according to the indictment. The document > also cites instances in which the company lied about having provided > vermiculite insulation to locals for their homes, as well as for use at a > nearby ice rink. > The EPA has since declared the mine a Superfund site, and has spent more > than $55 million on cleanup. > A dispute over a federal judge's 2003 ruling that Grace must repay the EPA > for that amount is ongoing. > The company was not available for comment Monday. > Stringer faces up to 70 years in prison, while Jack Wolter, a former > executive, and Robert Bettacchi, a senior vice president, each face > maximum prison terms of 55 years. > The company could face a fine of up to $280 million, twice the amount of > mining profits earned during its years of operation. > News of asbestos contamination in Libby first surfaced in 1999 after > national reports linked the mine's pollution to the deaths and illnesses > of nearby residents. > Grace filed for bankruptcy in 2001 after the company was bombarded with > asbestos-related lawsuits. > Vermiculite from the Libby mine was frequently used as attic insulation > and as an ingredient in fireproofing products, potting soils and > fertilizers. > While many former employees have developed asbestosis as a result of their > direct exposure to the mine, their family members also suffer, since the > tiny asbestos fibers were brought home on workers' clothing. > http://landofpuregold.com/truth202.htm > 9/11 Memo Reveals Asbestos 'Cover-Up' > By Sam Smith, July 16, 2004 > > An Environmental Protection Agency memo claims city and federal officials > concealed data that showed lower Manhattan air was clouded with asbestos > after the World Trade Center collapse. > > And officials sat on the alarming information even as they told the public > it was safe to return downtown, the internal memo says. Testing by the > city Department of Environmental Protection showed the air downtown had > more than double the level of asbestos considered safe for humans, claimed > federal EPA environmental scientist Cate Jenkins, who supplied the memo to > The Post. > > The data, which Jenkins says she culled from state records, appear > damning. On the day after the attack, the memo claims, city test results > from the corner of Centre and Chambers streets and from the corner of > Spruce and Gold streets showed asbestos concentration at about twice the > level considered safe by the EPA. > The city did not release this information to the public, Jenkins says. > > The next day, Sept. 13, city tests were "overloaded" with asbestos in the > air � so much that the lab could not conclude precise amounts � along > Church Street. > Again, the information was withheld, the memo claims. > > When the city published the test results for the weeks following 9/11 on > its Web site in February 2002, there were 17 instances where the data was > either understated or left blank, Jenkins asserts in her report. > > "New York City could wiggle out of the [claim of] concealment, because > they weren't making any explicit statements about data at the time," > Jenkins told The Post. "But the EPA can't wiggle out of this. They said > the air was safe at the same time they were coordinating data with the > city." > > To drive her point home, Jenkins compares statements made by the EPA on > the same day test data was showing dangerous levels of asbestos. On Sept. > 18, then-EPA administrator Christie Whitman said the public in lower > Manhattan was not being exposed to "excessive levels of asbestos." > > That same day, city testing data, some of which was later made public, > showed asbestos levels 50 percent higher and more above what her agency > considers safe, the memo states. > > http://www.google.com > > Web Results 1 - 10 of about 28,600 for asbestos cover-up. (0.11 seconds) Jan "Truth has to be repeated constantly, because Error also is being preached all the time, and not just by a few, but by the multitude. In the Press and Encyclopaedias, in Schools and Universities, everywhere Error holds sway, feeling happy and comfortable in the knowledge of having Majority on its side."----Goethe > >
From: vernono on 1 Aug 2008 21:13 "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:PsOkk.17732$jI5.11699(a)flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com... > > "vernono" <vernono(a)there.com> wrote in message > news:HGNkk.23$P44.16(a)fe103.usenetserver.com... >> >> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message >> news:3nLkk.16828$uE5.6351(a)flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com... >>> >>> "markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com" <mark.probert(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:c9774dc0-47b7-450d-bc41-755554175588(a)e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... >>> On Jul 29, 5:58 pm, "vernono" <vern...(a)there.com> wrote: >>>> "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>>> >>>> news:c188da29-a09a-4c75-94c4-84cdf38fbc4f(a)p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... >>>> On Jul 29, 9:11 am, "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." >>>> >>>> <scie...(a)zzz.com> wrote: >>>> > Well stated, and it is supported by facts! >>>> >>>> "Facts" is not a synonym for *idle conjecture*, but, you are too >>>> stupid to know that. >>>> >>>> Is that a fact or idle conjecture? >>> >>> Fact. I looked it up. >>> >>> LOL!! And of course, Mark S Probert, Merrick, NY- would not lie. >>> >>> Like this.................. >>> >> >> >> Why the diatribe? > > Just the FACTS and LIES. That's why. >> >> We have enough facts and fake facts. > > Who is *we*? > The News Group. I was joking with Mark anyway.
From: Jan Drew on 2 Aug 2008 00:39
"Steven Fawks" <tuthjockey(a)myturbonet.com> wrote in message news:1217638610_114154(a)news.newsville.com... OOps. You left out: "vernono" <vern...(a)there.com> wrote in message news:HGNkk.23$P44.16(a)fe103.usenetserver.com... > "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > news:3nLkk.16828$uE5.6351(a)flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com... >> "markprob...(a)lumbercartel.com" <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:c9774dc0-47b7-450d-bc41-755554175588(a)e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... >> On Jul 29, 5:58 pm, "vernono" <vern...(a)there.com> wrote: >>> "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:c188da29-a09a-4c75-94c4-84cdf38fbc4f(a)p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... >>> On Jul 29, 9:11 am, "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." >>> <scie...(a)zzz.com> wrote: >>> > Well stated, and it is supported by facts! >>> "Facts" is not a synonym for *idle conjecture*, but, you are too stupid >>> to know that. >>> Is that a fact or idle conjecture? >> Fact. I looked it up. >> LOL!! And of course, Mark S Probert, Merrick, NY- would not lie. >> Like this.................. > Why the diatribe? Just the FACTS and LIES. That's why. > We have enough facts and fake facts. Who is *we*? "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:3nLkk.16828$uE5.6351(a)flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com... > "markprob...(a)lumbercartel.com" <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:c9774dc0-47b7-450d-bc41-755554175588(a)e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 29, 5:58 pm, "vernono" <vern...(a)there.com> wrote: >> "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:c188da29-a09a-4c75-94c4-84cdf38fbc4f(a)p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... >> On Jul 29, 9:11 am, "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." >> <scie...(a)zzz.com> wrote: >> > Well stated, and it is supported by facts! >> "Facts" is not a synonym for *idle conjecture*, but, you are too stupid >> to know that. >> Is that a fact or idle conjecture? > Fact. I looked it up. > LOL!! And of course, Mark S Probert, Merrick, NY- would not lie. > Like this.................. > Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant From: aloysio...(a)aol.com > (AloysiousX) Date: 07 Jan 2004 18:59:31 GMT Local: Wed, Jan 7 2004 2:59 pm > Subject: Re: A New Year's Resolution > I have no children, Sistah Jan. > As Salaam Aleikum, my Sistah! > AloysiousX Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant From: aloysio...(a)aol.com > (AloysiousX) Date: 06 Jan 2004 22:31:39 GMT Local: Tues, Jan 6 2004 6:31 > pm Subject: Re: A New Year's Resolution > You know something, Sistah Ilena, I'm not Mark Probert, but it's pretty > clear who the coward is. > Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant From: aloysio...(a)aol.com > (AloysiousX) Date: 07 Jan 2004 18:57:50 GMT Local: Wed, Jan 7 2004 2:57 pm > Subject: Re: A New Year's Resolution > Sistah Jan, I'd never heard of you until you made your post in the breast > implant group, much in the same way I'd never heard of Mark Probert until > Sistah Ilena mentioned him. > path: > archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.lev���el3.com!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!ngpeer.�n�e�ws.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail > Lines: 107 X-Admin: n...(a)aol.com From: aloysio...(a)aol.com (AloysiousX) > Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant Date: 06 Jan 2004 17:54:38 GMT > References: <19faaec.0401060908.68a7...(a)posting.google.com> Organization: > AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: A New Year's Resolution Message-ID: > 20040106125438.01826.00002...(a)mb-m18.aol.com >> Subj: Is There Some Reason...> Date: 2/12/2004 2:18:07 PM Pacific >> Standard Time> From: AloysiousX> To: JDrew63929>>> Is there some reason >> why you won't let me ask you a few questions, Jan? > I'm> really curious >> about your involvement with Ilena Rosenthal.>>> But I guess my most basic >> question is whether or not you are in California> (like I am), or over in >> Indiana, like your profile says.>>> I had thought you were out west, but >> I guess not.>>> As Salaam Aleikum!>>> Aloysious> Mark Probert >> markprobert1...(a)hotmail.com AloysiousX > Or this................... > http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/f06b48baa0... > From: "M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t-July 23, 2004" <M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t > 07-23...(a)lymbercartel.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:35:11 GMT Local: Fri, > Jul 23 2004 10:35 am Subject: Re: Asbestos Deaths Up > The simple fact is that there is no cover-up regarding asbestos. In the > 1980's, under AHERA, schools nationwide removed tons of it. Construction > companies were forced to perform abatement before renovations or > demolition. There is no doubt that there are very sick people with > asbestosis and mesothelioma who were exposed to asbestos. I meet several > of them every month and can usually find some documentation of their > possible exposure so they can recevie WC benefits. > Backj in the 1950's and 1960's, there was no idea that asbestos exposure > could be so dangerous. During WWII boat builders at the Navy Yards were > routinely exposed to it, brought the dust home, and exposed their > families. No one knew. > When I was in elementary school, I received a kit from a group in Canada, > where asbestos was mined, called "Asbestos-The Magic Mineral." I brought > it to school for a science project. No one knew. > Once the dangers became known, precautions were put in place, and, > eventually, abatement was begun. There is far less asbestos in our > environment to day, and HULDA CLARK HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT! > Anyone claiming that there was a cover-up is an liar. > http://www.asbestosnews.com/news/asbestos-exposure.html > Asbestos Exposure News "Asbestos cover-up" July 16, 2004 According to an > Environmental Protection Agency memo, after the World Trade Center > collapse, city and federal officials concealed data showing lower > Manhattan air had more than double the level of asbestos considered safe > for humans. Despite this, the public was told it was safe to return > downtown. City tests were so overloaded September 13 with asbestos in the > air that the lab could not conclude asbestos levels. The city never > released the asbestos information to the public, and information on it's > Website had 17 instances of understated or blank data. For more > information on asbestos exposure, please contact us. More Asbestos Law > News.... ============= > http://xtramsn.co.nz/business/0,,5008-4090727,00.html Execs Charged Over > Asbestos Cover-Up 08/02/2005 04:50 PM - Reuters - James Vicini > WR Grace & Co and seven current or former executives were charged on > Monday with conspiring to endanger residents in Libby, Montana, and > concealing the health risks from asbestos-contaminated vermiculite, the US > Justice Department said. > According to the indictment returned by a federal grand jury in Montana, > Grace spread the asbestos throughout the community to such locations as > commercial buildings and schools, including an outdoor ice skating rink, > school running tracks and baseball fields. > The 10-count indictment charges the defendants with conspiracy, clean-air > violations, wire fraud and obstruction of justice involving > asbestos-related diseases linked to its former vermiculite mining and > processing operations. > Grace, named in all 10 counts, could face fines of hundreds of millions of > dollars, a Justice Department official said. > Under the law, a company can be fined for up to twice the gain for > activities associated with its criminal conduct, the official said. The > indictment said Grace reaped more than US$140 million in profits from > asbestos-contaminated vermiculite. > Grace said in a statement that it "categorically denies any criminal > wrongdoing," and that it was supporting the long-term health care of the > citizens of Libby. > A specialty chemicals company currently in bankruptcy proceedings, Grace > operated the vermiculite mine from 1963 to 1990, and it continued > processing operations until 1992. > The vermiculite, with uses that included insulation, was contaminated with > a form of asbestos known as tremolite. > According to the indictment, the conspiracy began in 1976 and continued > until 2002. The conspirators knowingly released asbestos into the air, > placing at risk families of Grace employees and area residents. > "It was a purpose of the conspiracy to increase profits and avoid > liability by misleading the government and preventing the government from > using its authorities to protect against risks to human health and the > environment," the indictment said. > About 1,200 Libby residents so far have been identified as having > asbestos-related lung abnormalities as a result of being exposed to the > asbestos from the mine, the 49-page indictment stated. > Libby's population totals about 8,000 people. The indictment said 70 > percent of those with the abnormalities did not work in the mine. > The indictment said Libby's death rate from asbestosis, a scarring of the > lungs, is 40 to 80 times higher than expected when compared to rates for > Montana and the United States. > It said the lung cancer rate is about 30 percent higher for the town > compared with rates in the state and the United States. > Named in the indictment were Alan Stringer, a manager at the Libby Mine; > Henry Eschenbach, a health and safety expert at WR Grace's Industrial > Chemicals Group (ICG); and Jack Wolter a vice-president of WR Grace's > Construction Products Division (CPD). > Also named were William McCaig a maintenance superintendent and operations > manager at the mine; Robert Bettacchi, a president of the CPD unit; Mario > Favorito, legal counsel to WR Grace's ICG unit and Robert Walsh, with > positions that included executive vice president of Grace Specialty > Chemicals. > Eschenbach declined to comment. Efforts to reach the other defendants were > not immediately successful. > Grace and 61 of its US subsidiaries and affiliates, filed for bankruptcy > in April, 2001, under the weight of asbestos lawsuits. Members of the US > Senate are working on a trust fund to compensate asbestos victims and end > injury lawsuits. > http://www.kaimin.org/viewarticle.php?id=3934 Mining company guilty of > asbestos cover-up in Libby Tristan Scott Montana Kaimin Top employees of > W.R. Grace & Co. knew its Montana mine was releasing dangerous > cancer-causing asbestos into the air and even conspired to hide the known > hazards from workers and area residents, according to a federal grand jury > indictment released Monday. The now-closed vermiculite mine in Libby, a > small northwest Montana town where Grace operated for nearly 30 years, has > been tied to nearly 200 deaths and infecting many more people with the > lung disease asbestosis. Montana U.S. Attorney Bill Mercer announced the > indictment Monday at the Missoula County courthouse. Seven of the > company's previous and existing employees were indicted on 10 counts for > conspiracy, violating the federal Clean Air Act, wire fraud and > obstructing justice. The decision is being hailed by environmentalists as > one of the most important environmental indictments in history. Grace and > its employees are charged with releasing tremolite asbestos - a carcinogen > found in vermiculite ore - into the air and hindering federal > investigations, including a 1999 inspection conducted by the Environmental > Protection Agency, which former manager Alan Stringer tried to inhibit by > giving false and misleading information he knew was inaccurate. According > to the 49-page indictment, Grace knew of employee health problems as early > as 1976, and was privy to studies and reports on the dangers of asbestos > vermiculite. Exposure to asbestos can lead to lung cancer and asbestosis - > a disease that causes scarring of the lung. Knowing the dangers of its > product, company officials supplied vermiculite to a junior high school > for use on its running track and lied about it during the EPA's > investigation, according to the indictment. The document also cites > instances in which the company lied about having provided vermiculite > insulation to locals for their homes, as well as for use at a nearby ice > rink. The EPA has since declared the mine a Superfund site, and has spent > more than $55 million on cleanup. A dispute over a federal judge's 2003 > ruling that Grace must repay the EPA for that amount is ongoing. The > company was not available for comment Monday. Stringer faces up to 70 > years in prison, while Jack Wolter, a former executive, and Robert > Bettacchi, a senior vice president, each face maximum prison terms of 55 > years. The company could face a fine of up to $280 million, twice the > amount of mining profits earned during its years of operation. News of > asbestos contamination in Libby first surfaced in 1999 after national > reports linked the mine's pollution to the deaths and illnesses of nearby > residents. Grace filed for bankruptcy in 2001 after the company was > bombarded with asbestos-related lawsuits. Vermiculite from the Libby mine > was frequently used as attic insulation and as an ingredient in > fireproofing products, potting soils and fertilizers. While many former > employees have developed asbestosis as a result of their direct exposure > to the mine, their family members also suffer, since the tiny asbestos > fibers were brought home on workers' clothing. > http://landofpuregold.com/truth202.htm 9/11 Memo Reveals Asbestos > 'Cover-Up' By Sam Smith, July 16, 2004 > An Environmental Protection Agency memo claims city and federal officials > concealed data that showed lower Manhattan air was clouded with asbestos > after the World Trade Center collapse. > And officials sat on the alarming information even as they told the public > it was safe to return downtown, the internal memo says. Testing by the > city Department of Environmental Protection showed the air downtown had > more than double the level of asbestos considered safe for humans, claimed > federal EPA environmental scientist Cate Jenkins, who supplied the memo to > The Post. > The data, which Jenkins says she culled from state records, appear > damning. On the day after the attack, the memo claims, city test results > from the corner of Centre and Chambers streets and from the corner of > Spruce and Gold streets showed asbestos concentration at about twice the > level considered safe by the EPA. The city did not release this > information to the public, Jenkins says. > The next day, Sept. 13, city tests were "overloaded" with asbestos in the > air � so much that the lab could not conclude precise amounts � along > Church Street. Again, the information was withheld, the memo claims. > When the city published the test results for the weeks following 9/11 on > its Web site in February 2002, there were 17 instances where the data was > either understated or left blank, Jenkins asserts in her report. > "New York City could wiggle out of the [claim of] concealment, because > they weren't making any explicit statements about data at the time," > Jenkins told The Post. "But the EPA can't wiggle out of this. They said > the air was safe at the same time they were coordinating data with the > city." > To drive her point home, Jenkins compares statements made by the EPA on > the same day test data was showing dangerous levels of asbestos. On Sept. > 18, then-EPA administrator Christie Whitman said the public in lower > Manhattan was not being exposed to "excessive levels of asbestos." > That same day, city testing data, some of which was later made public, > showed asbestos levels 50 percent higher and more above what her agency > considers safe, the memo states. > http://www.google.com > Web Results 1 - 10 of about 28,600 for asbestos cover-up. (0.11 seconds) Jan "Truth has to be repeated constantly, because Error also is being preached all the time, and not just by a few, but by the multitude. In the Press and Encyclopaedias, in Schools and Universities, everywhere Error holds sway, feeling happy and comfortable in the knowledge of having Majority on its side."----Goethe > >> Who is *we*? Jan > > We is who we is. LOL! > > > :-) > Steve |