Mark Probert Uses Stupid Skeptic Tricks
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From: Jan Drew on 4 Jun 2006 20:03 "Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message news:DgFgg.12$IP7.7(a)fe10.lga... > vernon wrote: >> "Will Ketcher" <will_ketcher(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:1149346722.699084.84790(a)g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >>> Yes --- during Nicaea things got a little convoluted. It's why we have >>> pagan Yule trees at Christmas ---- Christ's birth is celebrated near >>> winter solstice. >>> >>> Christ's resurrection is celebrated at Easter --- near the vernal >>> equinox or Spring. The pagan Easter egg becomes a symbol. The word >>> Easter from the word Eostre or fertility. >>> >>> I have Jewish friends --- For a few years they admired my Christmas >>> tree every year. When they said they had never had one because it was >>> a Christian thing, I told them it was really a pagan symbol, they began >>> putting one up of their own. >> >> Hanaka bush > > Just Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, there is no such thing as the > Channukah Bush. Stupid Skeptic Trick # 5. THE SANTA CLAUS GAMBIT: This trick consists of lumping moderate claims or propositions together with extreme ones. If you suggest, for example, that Sasquatch can't be completely ruled out from the available evidence,the skeptic will then facetiously suggest that Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny can't be "completely" ruled out either.
From: Orac on 4 Jun 2006 20:15 In article <fxKgg.38778$fb2.1361(a)newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > "Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message > news:DgFgg.12$IP7.7(a)fe10.lga... > > Just Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, there is no such thing as the > > Channukah Bush. > > Stupid Skeptic Trick # 5. > > THE SANTA CLAUS GAMBIT: This trick consists of lumping moderate claims > or propositions together with extreme ones. If you suggest, for example, > that Sasquatch can't be completely ruled out from the available evidence,the > skeptic will then facetiously suggest that Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny > can't be "completely" ruled out either. Uh, Jan. That isn't a "trick." It is simply a demonstration that you can never absolutely prove the nonexistence of something. -- Orac |"I am not *trying* to tell you anything. I am simply not | interested in trying to compensate for your amazing lack | of observation." | http://scienceblogs.com/insolence
From: Rich on 4 Jun 2006 20:50 "Orac" <orac_usa(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:orac_usa-713AFF.20154004062006(a)optonline.svc.highwinds-media.com... > In article <fxKgg.38778$fb2.1361(a)newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>, > "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> "Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message >> news:DgFgg.12$IP7.7(a)fe10.lga... > >> > Just Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, there is no such thing as the >> > Channukah Bush. >> >> Stupid Skeptic Trick # 5. >> >> THE SANTA CLAUS GAMBIT: This trick consists of lumping moderate claims >> or propositions together with extreme ones. If you suggest, for example, >> that Sasquatch can't be completely ruled out from the available >> evidence,the >> skeptic will then facetiously suggest that Santa Claus and the Easter >> Bunny >> can't be "completely" ruled out either. > > Uh, Jan. That isn't a "trick." It is simply a demonstration that you can > never absolutely prove the nonexistence of something. > Precisely. For example, Jan cannot PROVE that she cannot play the cello. -- --Rich Recommended websites: http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles http://www.acahf.org.au http://www.quackwatch.org/ http://www.skeptic.com/ http://www.csicop.org/
From: Peter Bowditch on 4 Jun 2006 22:42 "Rich" <joshew(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote: > >"Orac" <orac_usa(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:orac_usa-713AFF.20154004062006(a)optonline.svc.highwinds-media.com... >> In article <fxKgg.38778$fb2.1361(a)newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>, >> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> >>> "Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message >>> news:DgFgg.12$IP7.7(a)fe10.lga... >> >>> > Just Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, there is no such thing as the >>> > Channukah Bush. >>> >>> Stupid Skeptic Trick # 5. >>> >>> THE SANTA CLAUS GAMBIT: This trick consists of lumping moderate claims >>> or propositions together with extreme ones. If you suggest, for example, >>> that Sasquatch can't be completely ruled out from the available >>> evidence,the >>> skeptic will then facetiously suggest that Santa Claus and the Easter >>> Bunny >>> can't be "completely" ruled out either. >> >> Uh, Jan. That isn't a "trick." It is simply a demonstration that you can >> never absolutely prove the nonexistence of something. >> > >Precisely. For example, Jan cannot PROVE that she cannot play the cello. Give me a cello and a bow and I will come very close to proving that I can't play the cello. -- Peter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
From: Peter Bowditch on 4 Jun 2006 22:42
"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >"Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message >news:DgFgg.12$IP7.7(a)fe10.lga... >> vernon wrote: >>> "Will Ketcher" <will_ketcher(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >>> news:1149346722.699084.84790(a)g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >>>> Yes --- during Nicaea things got a little convoluted. It's why we have >>>> pagan Yule trees at Christmas ---- Christ's birth is celebrated near >>>> winter solstice. >>>> >>>> Christ's resurrection is celebrated at Easter --- near the vernal >>>> equinox or Spring. The pagan Easter egg becomes a symbol. The word >>>> Easter from the word Eostre or fertility. >>>> >>>> I have Jewish friends --- For a few years they admired my Christmas >>>> tree every year. When they said they had never had one because it was >>>> a Christian thing, I told them it was really a pagan symbol, they began >>>> putting one up of their own. >>> >>> Hanaka bush >> >> Just Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, there is no such thing as the >> Channukah Bush. > >Stupid Skeptic Trick # 5. > >THE SANTA CLAUS GAMBIT: This trick consists of lumping moderate claims >or propositions together with extreme ones. If you suggest, for example, >that Sasquatch can't be completely ruled out from the available evidence,the >skeptic will then facetiously suggest that Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny >can't be "completely" ruled out either. > Whooooooooooossssssshhhhhhhh! Sound of a comment about theology going over Jan's head. Here's a clue, Jan - the subject matter was the adoption of pagan symbols by modern non-pagan religions. It had nothing to do with the quite respectable logical argument that belief in existence is not evidence of existence. While this argument can be used in the discussion of matters of faith, it was not being used here. -- Peter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com |